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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    Out of curiosity, would it be your opinion that the bulk of the $54K that has been spent was also since the bond hearing?
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    In my opinion the money was sent to GZ without stipulation from the sender and it's none of my business what he spent it on or if he's even spent it. Why would I care? He turned over $150,000 to his attorney - he could easily have lied about how much he had that wasn't in the paypal account.

    In a recent article there were a lot of pictures of GZ that we hadn't seen before, maybe those pictures were sold to raise money after the bond hearing? If so, this too shall be disclosed for the curious.

    It's not that I don't get the curiosity, I'd like to know what the Martin's did with the $35,000 + collected for them during the first rally. I'm assuming they used it for living expenses since neither have gone back to work in 2 months. In that same two months the Zimmerman's had to live as well, so after $5,000 for bail, sounds about right. JMO


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    Originally Posted by vlpate
    BEM: Exactly. 30% of the community is AA - I'm sure they walk around all the time, so why did TM stand apart? Why did TM look suspicious to GZ? Maybe he wasn't just walking around? The black males he had called in as suspicious previously were up to something, as was proved later by their arrest. I think GZ knew the difference between "just walking around" and acting "suspicious".

    His rights did not stop when he got out of his truck. He had a right to get out of his truck. He had a right to see where the suspicious male was running to - he had a right to watch him. TM, on the other hand, had no right to confront and punch GZ and hold him down. From the evidence we do have, TM was breaking the law at that point. The rest will be up to a jury to decide. IMO
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    BBM: Please link this "evidence we do have".
    Do you need a link to the picture of GZ's bleeding head, or the video of the funeral director saying there were no marks on TM? The eyewitness who saw GZ on the ground beneath TM, yelling for help? The police report? I apologize, I'm not sure what it is you haven't seen?


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    BEM: Exactly. 30% of the community is AA - I'm sure they walk around all the time, so why did TM stand apart? Why did TM look suspicious to GZ? Maybe he wasn't just walking around? The black males he had called in as suspicious previously were up to something, as was proved later by their arrest. I think GZ knew the difference between "just walking around" and acting "suspicious".

    His rights did not stop when he got out of his truck. He had a right to get out of his truck. He had a right to see where the suspicious male was running to - he had a right to watch him. TM, on the other hand, had no right to confront and punch GZ and hold him down. From the evidence we do have, TM was breaking the law at that point. The rest will be up to a jury to decide. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
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    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

    In my opinion the money was sent to GZ without stipulation from the sender and it's none of my business what he spent it on or if he's even spent it. Why would I care? He turned over $150,000 to his attorney - he could easily have lied about how much he had that wasn't in the paypal account.

    In a recent article there were a lot of pictures of GZ that we hadn't seen before, maybe those pictures were sold to raise money after the bond hearing? If so, this too shall be disclosed for the curious.

    It's not that I don't get the curiosity, I'd like to know what the Martin's did with the $35,000 + collected for them during the first rally. I'm assuming they used it for living expenses since neither have gone back to work in 2 months. In that same two months the Zimmerman's had to live as well, so after $5,000 for bail, sounds about right. JMO
    I believe there are only two people that GZ has to answer to right now.....the judge and SA. The Martin's aren't asking to have their bail lowered because they have no money. They are also innocent victims in this crime. No disputes over money GZ made only that he never reported it. What the Martin's do isn't important because TM has not been charged with a crime and TM at this point is considered innocent of any crime as there is no evidence one was ever committed by TM. If it is good for the goose it's certainly good for the gander. jmo



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    Does anyone know if the Martin family ever asked for money? We know GZ asked his supporters directly, did the Martin family?

    Also, when GZ is found guilty , would that 200k be impacted by Son of Sam laws?



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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Do you need a link to the picture of GZ's bleeding head, or the video of the funeral director saying there were no marks on TM? The eyewitness who saw GZ on the ground beneath TM, yelling for help? The police report? I apologize, I'm not sure what it is you haven't seen?
    Actual evidence, the picture of "GZ's bleeding head" has not been verified to even be GZ, the funeral director said there was not evidence that TM had been in a fight (very bad "evidence" for GZ), but that also is not "evidence", the eyewitness saw "someone" on the ground beneath "someone" else, never heard him say who was who so yes link to that please. The police report, you mean the one that says right up top:

    Offenses Section

    1 HOMICIDE-NEGLIG
    MANSL-UNNECESSARY KILLING TO
    PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT

    Yea, also very BAD evidence for GZ.



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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Do you need a link to the picture of GZ's bleeding head, or the video of the funeral director saying there were no marks on TM? The eyewitness who saw GZ on the ground beneath TM, yelling for help? The police report? I apologize, I'm not sure what it is you haven't seen?
    I would love a link to actual evidence. Things documented by LE and the SA. A picture taken by a neighbor is fine and dandy, but I need to see the pictures that were actually taken by LE and marked as evidence during the investigation. I would also like to see GZ written report, his recorded interview and the walk-through he did that day. I also want to see Trayvon's autopsy report. Forensic evidence on the gun. Forensic evidence on both Trayvon and George's clothes. I could go on and on.

    The SA says GZ's claims don't match the evidence... so we will have to wait to see the actual evidence.

    Not one witness seen the beginning of the altercation... so saying that Trayvon confronted, punched, and held GZ down, is not evidence. It's just words by people who have every reason to lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Do you need a link to the picture of GZ's bleeding head, or the video of the funeral director saying there were no marks on TM? The eyewitness who saw GZ on the ground beneath TM, yelling for help? The police report? I apologize, I'm not sure what it is you haven't seen?
    I believe GZ was arrested because his accounting of what happened was inconsistent with the SA's investigation and also the homocide detective's preliminary investigation when he stated that night he felt GZ was lying just from the evidence he had at that moment. I have fallen with no one around me and gotten injured. There is no doubt they were on the ground, there is no doubt GZ was injured but what is doubtful is GZ's story of how they ended up on the ground. Not a stretch of the imagination to figure out that someone who wanted to keep a person from fleeing and getting away would be more aggressive than a person who wanted to get back just to watch an important game on TV that was coming on around the time he was expected back at the condo. It is GZ's choice to try and prove SYG but so far he's not doing too well. His story should have been right the first time around. jmo



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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    Do you need a link to the picture of GZ's bleeding head, or the video of the funeral director saying there were no marks on TM? The eyewitness who saw GZ on the ground beneath TM, yelling for help? The police report? I apologize, I'm not sure what it is you haven't seen?
    The bleeding head photo shows that the incident could not have occured as Zimmerman claims since there are only two small lacerations to the back of the head instead of a road rash that would have occured had his head repeatedly hit a cement walkway, IMO.

    The funeral director said there were no marks other than a gunshot wound, therefore there were no marks on Trayvon's hands either so that proves that Trayvon did NOT punch Zimmerman in the nose, face or anywhere else, IMO.

    Eyewitness reports are very often wrong as eyewitnesses are not reliable, however, there are also other eyewitness reports that clearly say that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon holding him down as well and eyewitness reports (actually earwitness reports) stating that it was a younger male yelling for help and making the sounds on the 911 call, IMO.

    The police report was not a full report nor was it a final report when it was released to the public. The police report also was a version of what Zimmerman claimed happened that night, not what actually did occur, IMO.

    So, none of the "evidence" against Trayvon is actual proof, at this time, that Trayvon did anything wrong or illegal that night. There is, however, proof that Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon with a loaded gun and that Zimmerman did NOT have reasonable reason to believe that Trayvon was up to no good that night, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    I believe there are only two people that GZ has to answer to right now.....the judge and SA. The Martin's aren't asking to have their bail lowered because they have no money. They are also innocent victims in this crime. No disputes over money GZ made only that he never reported it. What the Martin's do isn't important because TM has not been charged with a crime and TM at this point is considered innocent of any crime as there is no evidence one was ever committed by TM. If it is good for the goose it's certainly good for the gander. jmo
    As I clearly stated, it's a curiosity on my part and a comparison to COL where the money is concerned.

    The Zimmerman's are also an innocent party to this. Conjecture as to what they did or didn't know at the bond hearing is just that, conjecture. Anyone is allowed to bring them into this as culpable to a perceived omission, but there's no proof they knew anything.

    George's father and wife are victims as well, they had nothing to do with what happened that night. Next to death, seeing your son go to prison for life has to be a close second. Everything is relative.

    I pray they are not vilified the way I've seen other parents of murder suspects vilified in the past. JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
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    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #34

    In my opinion the money was sent to GZ without stipulation from the sender and it's none of my business what he spent it on or if he's even spent it. Why would I care? He turned over $150,000 to his attorney - he could easily have lied about how much he had that wasn't in the paypal account.

    In a recent article there were a lot of pictures of GZ that we hadn't seen before, maybe those pictures were sold to raise money after the bond hearing? If so, this too shall be disclosed for the curious.

    It's not that I don't get the curiosity, I'd like to know what the Martin's did with the $35,000 + collected for them during the first rally. I'm assuming they used it for living expenses since neither have gone back to work in 2 months. In that same two months the Zimmerman's had to live as well, so after $5,000 for bail, sounds about right. JMO
    His bail was $15,000. To date GZ has only paid $5,000 leaving a balance of $10,000 he still owes the bail bondsman. He managed to spend $54,000 dollars in less than 30 days but only could give the bailman $5,000. That honesty for ya. jmo



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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    His bail was $15,000. To date GZ has only paid $5,000 leaving a balance of $10,000 he still owes the bail bondsman. He managed to spend $54,000 dollars in less than 30 days but only could give the bailman $5,000. That honesty for ya. jmo
    Oh I imagine he heard about it from his bail bondsman after MOM did that interview where he reported how much money Zimmerman had collected. If I am not mistaken the bail bondsman can decide to not cover any of the bail and have Zimmerman placed back in jail until Zimmerman pays or has someone else pay the entire amount. Didn't LP do something like that with CA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    His bail was $15,000. To date GZ has only paid $5,000 leaving a balance of $10,000 he still owes the bail bondsman. He managed to spend $54,000 dollars in less than 30 days but only could give the bailman $5,000. That honesty for ya. jmo
    I wonder why the full 15,000 wasn't paid to the bondsman? I am speculating as to whether or not paying only 5,000 was an attempt to continue the "I'm so poor, I can't even eat" routine.

    I think GZ fully intended to lie about the money, but once Mark O'Mara found out, he had to put a stop to it. O'Mara knew there could be consequences, and probably figured it'd be best to get it out in the open and deal with it before more money was collected and GZ had more time to hide and lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TorisMom003 View Post
    The bleeding head photo shows that the incident could not have occured as Zimmerman claims since there are only two small lacerations to the back of the head instead of a road rash that would have occured had his head repeatedly hit a cement walkway, IMO.

    The funeral director said there were no marks other than a gunshot wound, therefore there were no marks on Trayvon's hands either so that proves that Trayvon did NOT punch Zimmerman in the nose, face or anywhere else, IMO.

    Eyewitness reports are very often wrong as eyewitnesses are not reliable, however, there are also other eyewitness reports that clearly say that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon holding him down as well and eyewitness reports (actually earwitness reports) stating that it was a younger male yelling for help and making the sounds on the 911 call, IMO.

    The police report was not a full report nor was it a final report when it was released to the public. The police report also was a version of what Zimmerman claimed happened that night, not what actually did occur, IMO.

    So, none of the "evidence" against Trayvon is actual proof, at this time, that Trayvon did anything wrong or illegal that night. There is, however, proof that Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon, that Zimmerman followed Trayvon with a loaded gun and that Zimmerman did NOT have reasonable reason to believe that Trayvon was up to no good that night, IMO.

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    BEM: I totally agree, but I, personally, would believe an eyewitness actually seeing the man on the bottom yelling, than an "ear witness" who is not an expert when it comes to a male's voice being 17 or 28. IMO

    Regardless of how we each interpret the evidence, it is what it is, evidence. IMO


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