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    Timeline

    Let's go ahead and start putting a timeline together in one thread.
    We are not going to see eye to eye on events- so let's keep that in mind and work through each time line item best we can.
    Please stick to MSM and police reports as it relates to the timeline.


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    The timeline I put together from the transcript of GZ's call from MSM , the recording of GZ's call from the City of Sanford sit with times I noted from listening to it, the information on Trayvon Martin's phone logs from http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf, other information from police reports and Sanford Police dispatch logs from the City of Sanford site, and from SPD security footage at the police station. Some of the sources are no longer on the internet at the location I had for them so I don't have links.

    ETA - this source has a lot of the resources I used to create this timeline: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...tin_911_c.html

    If this needs to be removed due to the lack of current links, I will understand.

    Times NOT in 24 hour format are minutes:seconds:?? from the beginning of GZ's call as I measured with my audio software. ALL times in that format noted at the end of the immediately preceding comments on the recording. Notes in green are sounds I heard and thought worth mentioning.

    18:54:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 18 minutes length
    19:04:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 1 minute length

    19:09:34 Call connected
    Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. …
    Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near) Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
    00:25:00
    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
    Zimmerman: He looks black.
    00:30:00
    Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
    Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring…
    00:44:62
    19:11:12 1017 area for bm late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area//compl concerned ref recent s21s
    Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…
    Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses.
    Dispatcher: OK…
    19:11:17 DIS (dispatch?)
    Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
    00:48:42
    Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
    Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse…
    Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
    00:59:52
    Dispatcher: OK.
    01:01:24 (Car door?)
    Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
    01:09:40
    Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
    Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
    Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
    01:16:08 (car door?)
    Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
    01:26:62
    Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
    Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
    01:29:57
    Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
    Zimmerman: Okay. These *******s they always get away.
    01:39:27
    (Series of rhythmic odd noises - windshield wipers?)
    When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
    01:54:09
    Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
    Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left.
    02:06:65 **** he's running.
    Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
    02:09:47 (Car door alarm?)
    Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. (car door slam)
    02:14:18
    Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
    Zimmerman: The back entrance…****ing (unintelligible)
    02:22:36
    19:11:59 subj now running towards back entrance of complex
    Dispatcher: Are you following him?
    Zimmerman: Yeah (wind noises)
    02:25:20
    19:12:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 4 minutes length
    Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
    Zimmerman: Ok
    Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
    Zimmerman: George…He ran. (wind noises continue)
    02:38:14
    (Wind noises stop some time in here)
    Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
    02:41:70 (odd clicking noise)
    Zimmerman: Zimmerman
    Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
    Zimmerman: (redacted)
    Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
    Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
    Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate,
    03:04:07 (three odd clicking noises under the word gate)
    tell them to go straight past the club house,
    03:07:40 (three odd clicking noises, louder)
    and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, they’ll see my truck... (unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
    Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, I...(unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
    Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
    19:13:12
    Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
    Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
    Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
    Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
    Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
    Dispatcher: Yeah I got it (redacted)
    Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
    Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
    Zimmerman: Thanks.
    Dispatcher: You’re welcome.
    04:11:00 (recording of call ends)
    19:13:41 Compl new req leo 1045 before 1056
    19:16:00 Time approximate - call with girlfriend ends after she hears interchange with Trayvon and unknown follower
    19:16:11 Call 3 begins
    19:16:55:47 GUNSHOT
    19:17:00 Officer Ricardo Ayalla dispatched/arrived
    19:17:11 Officer Timothy Smith arrived. As he arrived notified by dispatch of shots fired.
    19:19 Officer Timothy Smith canvasses scene
    19:30:00 Trayvon Martin declared dead at scene by EMS
    George Zimmerman treated by EMTs in back of police car.
    ~19:37 Police car carrying George Zimmerman leaves The Retreat At Twin Lakes (estimated from approximate travel time to SPD.)
    19:52:00 George Zimmerman arrived at Sanford Police Department.
    Last edited by csziggy; 04-29-2012 at 10:12 PM. Reason: Adding source.



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    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?

    18:54:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 18 minutes length
    19:04:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 1 minute length
    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?

    Sure. We can work together. We'll begin by using the factual info we already have access to. It will change some as other docs are released and we get more info. Eventually we'll end up with a pretty concise master timeline.


    Maybe it was a typo because it makes no sense to me either?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?



    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.
    The cell phone records are full of inconsistencies like this:
    Trayvonís call log: From http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf
    Since those logs are mixed up and not in order, I put them in order:
    02/26/2012
    time place type minutes
    11:13 Hollywood text
    11:15 North Dade text
    11:18 North Dade text
    01:30 Miami text
    02:20 Incoming 3
    02:38 Incoming 103
    02:45 Incoming 2
    03:02 Incoming 2
    03:04 Incoming 3
    04:08 North Dade text
    04:28 North Dade Incoming 41
    05:09 North Dade Incoming 81
    06:30 North Dade Incoming 13
    06:41 Incoming 4
    06:45 North Dade Incoming 5
    06:46 North Dade Incoming 2
    06:49 Incoming 4
    06:53 North Dade Incoming 1
    06:54 North Dade Incoming 1
    06:54 Incoming 18
    07:04 Incoming 1
    07:12 Incoming 4

    03/02/2012
    12:45 Emergency 1
    12:45 Incoming 1
    12:47 Incoming 1
    The calls without place designations didn't have any in the logs. There are a lot of calls that overlap. I'm not sure what that means or how those calls work. Did he get a call waiting signal - do cell phones even do that? - put one call on hold and then go back to the first one?

    The only cell phone I've ever had is a Tracfone and I barely use it at all. It doesn't have bills since it's prepaid. I've never even checked to see if they have call logs online.

    The call logs are not really that. I believe there are more than one search in that "log" in the link. Someone with more knowledge about these things needs to look at the call log searches directly from the link above.

    IMO, JMO, etc.


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    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    All JMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    The 7-Eleven corporation said they have video of TM purchasing the Skittles and tea between 6 and 6:30. I'll see if I can find the link for that.

    ETA:
    Georgia Students Gather In Sanford For Trayvon Martin
    Students On Spring Break Bring Prayers, Well-Wishes


    POSTED: 12:54 pm EDT April 5, 2012
    UPDATED: 5:33 pm EDT April 5, 2012

    <SNIP>
    A corporate spokeswoman for 7-Eleven said on Thursday they have a video secured at corporate headquarters showing Martin the night he was killed.

    An executive with 7-Eleven viewed the tape and can confirm: "he observed an African American male in a hoodie purchase Skittles and an iced tea between 6 and 6:30 that evening."

    Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-e...#ixzz1tZshJIcO
    IMO, JMO, etc.
    Last edited by csziggy; 04-30-2012 at 09:37 PM. Reason: Add link.


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    Thank you for all your hard work,csziggy!



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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Thank you for all your hard work,csziggy!
    Thanks - it's keeping my mind off what will be happening two weeks from tomorrow. Plus, I just have one of those minds that likes putting things in order.


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    Thumbs up Kudos.

    Excellent work, and very helpful.


    *** Do we know what time Tracy & Brandy left for dinner?

    *** What time TM left the townhome to walk to 7-11?
    (i.e. how long did it take TM to walk there)

    *** Are there phone calls confirmed during the walk to 7-11?

    *** Times for Sunset? Dark?

    *** Other than the apparently overlapping GF phone calls, are there any other details between:

    • 6:00<>6:30 when TM made the purchase @ 7-11, and
    • 7:09, when GZ called to report the SP on foot in the neighborhood (near clubhouse IIRC)?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    I've always believed Trayvon was looking around because he was lost. I wonder how many times he had visited there. I look forward to seeing what the 7-11 video shows.


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    It's dark in February after 7 pm according to this graph
    http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/sanford-florida.html


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    If someone leaves a voicemail, does it show yo as minutes used? Could any of the incoming short calls be voicemails left?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?



    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.
    RE: Timeline
    The Defense is on an all out media blitz to sway public open. All we need to do to see that this is true is to read the "media/no discussion" thread from start until today.

    IMO:
    We still need a place for general discussion. The current available threads are either at a standstill or are overwhelmingly representative of the Defense's side. Which actually doesn't represent the majority view of the general public.
    Last edited by Just K; 05-05-2012 at 12:15 PM. Reason: typos


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixfla View Post
    If someone leaves a voicemail, does it show yo as minutes used? Could any of the incoming short calls be voicemails left?
    Incoming VM messages do not show on TMobile logs. Checking VM does show up.

    HTH


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