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    Timeline

    Let's go ahead and start putting a timeline together in one thread.
    We are not going to see eye to eye on events- so let's keep that in mind and work through each time line item best we can.
    Please stick to MSM and police reports as it relates to the timeline.

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    The timeline I put together from the transcript of GZ's call from MSM , the recording of GZ's call from the City of Sanford sit with times I noted from listening to it, the information on Trayvon Martin's phone logs from http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf, other information from police reports and Sanford Police dispatch logs from the City of Sanford site, and from SPD security footage at the police station. Some of the sources are no longer on the internet at the location I had for them so I don't have links.

    ETA - this source has a lot of the resources I used to create this timeline: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...tin_911_c.html

    If this needs to be removed due to the lack of current links, I will understand.

    Times NOT in 24 hour format are minutes:seconds:?? from the beginning of GZ's call as I measured with my audio software. ALL times in that format noted at the end of the immediately preceding comments on the recording. Notes in green are sounds I heard and thought worth mentioning.

    18:54:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 18 minutes length
    19:04:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 1 minute length

    19:09:34 Call connected
    Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. …
    Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near) Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
    00:25:00
    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
    Zimmerman: He looks black.
    00:30:00
    Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
    Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring…
    00:44:62
    19:11:12 1017 area for bm late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area//compl concerned ref recent s21s
    Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…
    Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses.
    Dispatcher: OK…
    19:11:17 DIS (dispatch?)
    Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
    00:48:42
    Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
    Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse…
    Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
    00:59:52
    Dispatcher: OK.
    01:01:24 (Car door?)
    Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
    01:09:40
    Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
    Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
    Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
    01:16:08 (car door?)
    Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
    01:26:62
    Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
    Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
    01:29:57
    Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
    Zimmerman: Okay. These *******s they always get away.
    01:39:27
    (Series of rhythmic odd noises - windshield wipers?)
    When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
    01:54:09
    Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
    Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left.
    02:06:65 **** he's running.
    Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
    02:09:47 (Car door alarm?)
    Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. (car door slam)
    02:14:18
    Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
    Zimmerman: The back entrance…****ing (unintelligible)
    02:22:36
    19:11:59 subj now running towards back entrance of complex
    Dispatcher: Are you following him?
    Zimmerman: Yeah (wind noises)
    02:25:20
    19:12:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 4 minutes length
    Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
    Zimmerman: Ok
    Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
    Zimmerman: George…He ran. (wind noises continue)
    02:38:14
    (Wind noises stop some time in here)
    Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
    02:41:70 (odd clicking noise)
    Zimmerman: Zimmerman
    Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
    Zimmerman: (redacted)
    Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
    Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
    Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate,
    03:04:07 (three odd clicking noises under the word gate)
    tell them to go straight past the club house,
    03:07:40 (three odd clicking noises, louder)
    and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, they’ll see my truck... (unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
    Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, I...(unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
    Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
    19:13:12
    Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
    Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
    Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
    Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
    Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
    Dispatcher: Yeah I got it (redacted)
    Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
    Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
    Zimmerman: Thanks.
    Dispatcher: You’re welcome.
    04:11:00 (recording of call ends)
    19:13:41 Compl new req leo 1045 before 1056
    19:16:00 Time approximate - call with girlfriend ends after she hears interchange with Trayvon and unknown follower
    19:16:11 Call 3 begins
    19:16:55:47 GUNSHOT
    19:17:00 Officer Ricardo Ayalla dispatched/arrived
    19:17:11 Officer Timothy Smith arrived. As he arrived notified by dispatch of shots fired.
    19:19 Officer Timothy Smith canvasses scene
    19:30:00 Trayvon Martin declared dead at scene by EMS
    George Zimmerman treated by EMTs in back of police car.
    ~19:37 Police car carrying George Zimmerman leaves The Retreat At Twin Lakes (estimated from approximate travel time to SPD.)
    19:52:00 George Zimmerman arrived at Sanford Police Department.
    Last edited by csziggy; 04-29-2012 at 10:12 PM. Reason: Adding source.


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    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?

    18:54:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 18 minutes length
    19:04:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend - 1 minute length
    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?

    Sure. We can work together. We'll begin by using the factual info we already have access to. It will change some as other docs are released and we get more info. Eventually we'll end up with a pretty concise master timeline.


    Maybe it was a typo because it makes no sense to me either?
    Never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?



    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.
    The cell phone records are full of inconsistencies like this:
    Trayvon’s call log: From http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf
    Since those logs are mixed up and not in order, I put them in order:
    02/26/2012
    time place type minutes
    11:13 Hollywood text
    11:15 North Dade text
    11:18 North Dade text
    01:30 Miami text
    02:20 Incoming 3
    02:38 Incoming 103
    02:45 Incoming 2
    03:02 Incoming 2
    03:04 Incoming 3
    04:08 North Dade text
    04:28 North Dade Incoming 41
    05:09 North Dade Incoming 81
    06:30 North Dade Incoming 13
    06:41 Incoming 4
    06:45 North Dade Incoming 5
    06:46 North Dade Incoming 2
    06:49 Incoming 4
    06:53 North Dade Incoming 1
    06:54 North Dade Incoming 1
    06:54 Incoming 18
    07:04 Incoming 1
    07:12 Incoming 4

    03/02/2012
    12:45 Emergency 1
    12:45 Incoming 1
    12:47 Incoming 1
    The calls without place designations didn't have any in the logs. There are a lot of calls that overlap. I'm not sure what that means or how those calls work. Did he get a call waiting signal - do cell phones even do that? - put one call on hold and then go back to the first one?

    The only cell phone I've ever had is a Tracfone and I barely use it at all. It doesn't have bills since it's prepaid. I've never even checked to see if they have call logs online.

    The call logs are not really that. I believe there are more than one search in that "log" in the link. Someone with more knowledge about these things needs to look at the call log searches directly from the link above.

    IMO, JMO, etc.

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    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    All JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    The 7-Eleven corporation said they have video of TM purchasing the Skittles and tea between 6 and 6:30. I'll see if I can find the link for that.

    ETA:
    Georgia Students Gather In Sanford For Trayvon Martin
    Students On Spring Break Bring Prayers, Well-Wishes


    POSTED: 12:54 pm EDT April 5, 2012
    UPDATED: 5:33 pm EDT April 5, 2012

    <SNIP>
    A corporate spokeswoman for 7-Eleven said on Thursday they have a video secured at corporate headquarters showing Martin the night he was killed.

    An executive with 7-Eleven viewed the tape and can confirm: "he observed an African American male in a hoodie purchase Skittles and an iced tea between 6 and 6:30 that evening."

    Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-e...#ixzz1tZshJIcO
    IMO, JMO, etc.
    Last edited by csziggy; 04-30-2012 at 09:37 PM. Reason: Add link.

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    Thank you for all your hard work,csziggy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Thank you for all your hard work,csziggy!
    Thanks - it's keeping my mind off what will be happening two weeks from tomorrow. Plus, I just have one of those minds that likes putting things in order.

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    Thumbs up Kudos.

    Excellent work, and very helpful.


    *** Do we know what time Tracy & Brandy left for dinner?

    *** What time TM left the townhome to walk to 7-11?
    (i.e. how long did it take TM to walk there)

    *** Are there phone calls confirmed during the walk to 7-11?

    *** Times for Sunset? Dark?

    *** Other than the apparently overlapping GF phone calls, are there any other details between:

    • 6:00<>6:30 when TM made the purchase @ 7-11, and
    • 7:09, when GZ called to report the SP on foot in the neighborhood (near clubhouse IIRC)?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Has either 7-11 or the SPD released information on the time at which TM left the 7-11? I'd imagine that they could determine it accurately from the video or cashier's tape. I think it might help sort out implications about whether TM was 'loitering' or not on his way home.
    I've always believed Trayvon was looking around because he was lost. I wonder how many times he had visited there. I look forward to seeing what the 7-11 video shows.

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    It's dark in February after 7 pm according to this graph
    http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/sanford-florida.html

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    If someone leaves a voicemail, does it show yo as minutes used? Could any of the incoming short calls be voicemails left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    I'm not sure how these threads work. Am I allowed to ask how the following is possible?



    If the 6:54 pm call lasted 18 minutes, how did the g.f. call Trayvon only 10 minutes after the start of the first call. Did she use two phones?

    I'm just curious and I don't mean to take anything away from csziggy's very valuable and useful work.
    RE: Timeline
    The Defense is on an all out media blitz to sway public open. All we need to do to see that this is true is to read the "media/no discussion" thread from start until today.

    IMO:
    We still need a place for general discussion. The current available threads are either at a standstill or are overwhelmingly representative of the Defense's side. Which actually doesn't represent the majority view of the general public.
    Last edited by Just K; 05-05-2012 at 12:15 PM. Reason: typos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixfla View Post
    If someone leaves a voicemail, does it show yo as minutes used? Could any of the incoming short calls be voicemails left?
    Incoming VM messages do not show on TMobile logs. Checking VM does show up.

    HTH

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    Is it okay to ask a question here?

    What about the two minutes that alledgley are missing from GZ's call?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    RE: Timeline
    The Defense is on an all out media blitz to sway public open. All we need to do to see that this is true is to read the "media/no discussion" thread from start until today.

    IMO:
    We still need a place for general discussion. The current available threads are either at a standstill or are overwhelming representative of the Defense's side. Which actually doesn't represent the majority view of the general public.
    You are more than welcome to start new threads Just K. Right now we are moderating the new threads but new topics are more than welcome!!!

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    Donjeta, don't mean to step on your toes, I just don't like the terms "dusk" and "dawn" because it's not very specific. It tends to give impressions that may or may not be true.

    Info for 26 February 2012 in Miami, FL. Could not get data for Sanford, FL specifically though this should be close enough. These are the start and ending times, respectively.

    Twilight, Astronomical: 5:31
    Twilight, Nautical: 5:32 - 5:58
    Twilight, Civil: 5:59 - 6:25
    Sunrise: 6:26 - 6:48
    Solar noon: 12:34
    Sunset: 18:20
    Twilight, Civil: 18:21 - 18:43
    Twilight, Nautical: 18:43 - 19:10
    Twilight, Astronomical: 19:10 - 19:37

    Moonrise: 9:16
    Moonset: 22:40
    Day length: 11h 32m

    Terms:
    Astronomical Twilight - Sun is below 18° of the horizon, sky is "fully dark."
    Nautical Twilight - Sun is between 12° and 18° of the horizon, bright stars are visible, also known as "first light" and "nightfall."
    Civil Twilight - Sun is between 0° and 6° below the horizon. Direct sunlight is clearly visible in the atmosphere.


    Sources:
    sunrisesunset.com - Times
    Wikipedia.com - Terms
    Last edited by AJ Noiter; 05-05-2012 at 12:26 PM. Reason: Bolded applicable times for the timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imamaze View Post
    You are more than welcome to start new threads Just K. Right now we are moderating the new threads but new topics are more than welcome!!!

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    Thanks, IMA...I did send one in yesterday but, as of yet and since the general thread closed, no new threads have been opened.
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    This critical portion of the timeline for this case only spanned seven minutes and seven seconds from the beginning of the 911 call at 7:09:34 pm up to and including the gunshot at 7:16:41 pm. LE's first responder was on the scene THIRTY SECONDS later at 7:17:11 pm.

    Unique to any case I've ever followed, through the 911 call, we've all HEARD this situation’s beginning, the first 4 minutes and 7 seconds of it's duration, AND it's ending when the gunshot was fired that killed Trayvon. There's only three minutes we didn't hear!

    • We KNOW that GZ got out of his vehicle and started following TM at [2:08] into the call, because we all heard it.


    • We KNOW that the dispatcher told GZ eighteen seconds later, at [2:26] into the call, "We don't need you to do that", because we all heard it.


    • We also know that the 911 call ended after a duration of [4:07].

    George Zimmerman’s statements to LE regarding his path of travel and actions have been verified by his father, his attorney, and the City Manager of Sanford, FL as essentially being that:

    He got out of his vehicle......followed TM for 18 seconds until the dispatcher told him not to do that.....then continued 140 feet to the next street over for an address.....then turned and was walking back to his vehicle for 97 feet and was attacked by TM where the sidewalks intersect.

    In the following analysis of time/distance, I’m going to use a well-documented walk rate of 3 mph for an average adult male, with Google Earth measurements, to calculate a timeline for the specific storyline provided by Robert Zimmerman Sr. in his Sean Hannity interview.

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...#ixzz1svJVUFyf

    Beginning when George got out of his vehicle at [2:08].



    ZIMMERMAN: From where George's vehicle was, there's a sidewalk that goes to the next street over. Off of that sidewalk there's another sidewalk that goes between two rows of townhomes……George was walking down the main sidewalk to see if he could see where Trayvon was going. [2:08]

    ZIMMERMAN: When the dispatcher said we know longer need you to do that, and George acknowledged OK. He no longer knew where Trayvon was. [2:26]

    3 mph =4.4 feet/second x 18 seconds (2:26 – 2:08) = 79.2 feet traveled


    He continued walking down the sidewalk directly in front of him to the next street to get an address. He got an address.

    140 feet measured distance divided by 4.4 feet/second = 32 seconds. [2:26] + [0:32] = [2:58]


    He was walking back to his vehicle.

    Trayvon came from his left side…from that area where the sidewalks meet…and started beating him.

    97 feet measured distance divided by 4.4 feet/second = 22 seconds. [2:58] + [0.22] = [3.20]
    Now compare this timeline analysis to GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S own statement as told to the SPD and VERIFIED by the City Manager of Sanford, FL.

    From the “leaked” article of the Orlando Sentinel:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

    This is what the Sentinel has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that. [2:26]

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear…….

    See the article’s verification of accuracy by the City Manager in the attachment below.
    With a KNOWN beginning time of [2:26] PLUS an unknown gap of one minute [1.00], the time being alleged by George Zimmerman that this “beating” began is [3:26] into the 911 call. This is only SIX SECONDS difference with our timeline analysis based on Robert Sr’s detailed statement.

    This is the CORE of George Zimmerman’s SYG defense, and we know it CANNOT be true because at [3:20] OR [3:26] George was still chatting away with the 911 dispatcher and continued to do so until [4:07]!

    Don’t you think we would have heard it?
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    Amended corrected timeline

    While writing a reply in the thread about the "missing" two minutes, I realized I had enough information to assign exact military times to the times I took from listening to the recording of GZ's call to SPD on February 26, 2012.

    All the sources are the same as in message #2 in this thread. The only change is that I have shifted some of the dispatcher's entries in the call log and added a few that I had in inserted previously.

    The timeline I put together from the transcript of GZ's call from MSM , the recording of GZ's call from the City of Sanford sit with times I noted from listening to it, the information on Trayvon Martin's phone logs from http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf, other information from police reports and Sanford Police dispatch logs from the City of Sanford site, and from SPD security footage at the police station. Some of the sources are no longer on the internet at the location I had for them so I don't have links.

    This source has a lot of the resources I used to create this timeline: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...tin_911_c.html

    Times NOT in 24 hour format are minutes:seconds:?? from the beginning of GZ's call as I measured with my audio software. ALL times in that format noted at the end of the immediately preceding comments on the recording. Notes in green are sounds I heard and thought worth mentioning.

    18:54:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend
    19:04:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend
    19:09:34 Call connected
    Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. …
    Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near) Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
    19:09:59 00:25:00
    Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
    Zimmerman: He looks black.
    19:10:04 00:30:00
    Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
    Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's here now, he was just staring…
    19:10:18 00:44:62
    19:11:12 1017 area for bm late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area//compl concerned ref recent s21s
    Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area…
    Zimmerman: …looking at all the houses.
    Dispatcher: OK…
    Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
    19:10:22 00:48:42
    Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
    Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse…
    Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
    19:10:33 00:59:52
    Dispatcher: OK.
    19:10:35 01:01:24 [Car door?)
    Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
    19:10:43 01:09:40
    Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
    Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
    Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
    19:10:50 01:16:08 (car door?)
    Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
    19:11:00 01:26:62
    Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
    Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
    19:11:03 01:29:57
    Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
    Zimmerman: Okay. These *******s they always get away.
    19:11:13 01:39:27
    (Series of rhythmic odd noises - windshield wipers?)
    When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
    19:11:17 DIS [dispatch?) S1312 (Officer Ayala)
    19:11:28 01:54:09
    Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
    Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left.
    19:11:40 02:06:65 **** he's running.
    Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
    19:11:43 02:09:47 (Car door alarm?)
    Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood. (car door slam)
    19:11:48 02:14:18
    Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
    Zimmerman: The back entrance…****ing (unintelligible)
    19:11:56 02:22:36
    19:11:59 subj now running towards back entrance of complex
    Dispatcher: Are you following him?
    Zimmerman: Yeah (wind noises)
    19:11:59 02:25:20
    19:12:00 Trayvon receives call from girlfriend
    Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
    Zimmerman: Ok
    Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
    Zimmerman: George…He ran. (wind noises continue)
    19:12:12 02:38:14
    (Wind noises stop some time in here)
    Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
    19:12:15 02:41:70 (odd clicking noise - gun?)
    Zimmerman: Zimmerman
    Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
    Zimmerman: (redacted by Mother Jones)
    Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
    Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
    Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate,
    19:12:38 03:04:07 (three odd clicking noises under the word gate)
    tell them to go straight past the club house,
    19:12:41 03:07:40 (three odd clicking noises, louder)
    and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, they’ll see my truck... (unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
    Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
    Zimmerman: Yeah, I...(unintelligible)
    Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
    Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
    Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
    19:13:12 Compl will 1056 at mailboxes of complex
    Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
    Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
    19:13:27 DIS S2711 (Officer Timothy Smith)
    Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
    Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
    Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
    Dispatcher: Yeah I got it (redacted)
    Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
    Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
    Zimmerman: Thanks.
    Dispatcher: You’re welcome.
    19:13:41 Compl new req leo 1045 before 1056
    19:13:45 04:11:00 (recording of call ends)
    19:16:00 Time approximate - call with girlfriend ends after she hears interchange with Trayvon and unknown follower
    19:16:00 Call 3 begins
    19:16:44:47 GUNSHOT
    19:17:36 S2711 PEU - Officer Timothy Smith arrived. As he arrived notified by dispatch of shots fired.
    19:19:52 S1312 PEU Officer Ricardo Ayalla dispatched/arrived
    19:19 Officer Timothy Smith canvasses scene
    19:30:00 Trayvon Martin declared dead at scene by EMS
    George Zimmerman treated by EMTs in back of police car.
    ~19:37 Police car carrying George Zimmerman leaves The Retreat At Twin Lakes
    19:52:00 George Zimmerman arrived at Sanford Police Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Papa could you put this in the Timeline Thread so we don't lose it. I don't think it could go in the media thread but either one if it is allowed. Thanks
    From the Bond Hearing:

    From the Bond Hearing recording at the [1:19:55] mark:

    O’MARA: How do you know he was trying to return to his home?

    GILBREATH: Because the location he was found in….is probably….and I don’t have the exact measurements….it’s in the path to the back door of the house where he was staying.

    O’MARA: I think the evidence suggested it was 70 yards away, right?

    GILBREATH: He came from there; I’m assuming he was going back there.

    O’MARA: OK.

    http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815
    From RZ Sr.'s Sean Hannity interview:

    ZIMMERMAN: He was walking back to his vehicle.

    Trayvon came from his left side…from that area where the sidewalks meet…and started beating him.

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...#ixzz1svJVUFyf
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    After looking back over the timeline, figuring the times of the various comments in GZ's call to SPD, and thinking about it overnight, I did some measuring of the distances in the subdivision.

    Here is the Retreat At Twin Lakes with TM's most direct path home:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/pic...ictureid=13577

    If TM came in through the unfenced place at the northwest corner of the subdivision, the distance he would have traveled from coming out on the sidewalk inside the subdivision to BG's home is approximately 1310 feet. If TM walked that entire distance it would have taken him about 6.5 minutes (at 3.5 feet per second).

    The measurements I am working from are:
    • From the corner at the NW corner of Retreat View Circle to the corner at the entrance of the subdivision = 334 feet (walking time = 95 seconds)
    • Straight from that corner to the mailboxes = 105 feet (walking time = 30 seconds)
    • From the mailboxes to the "T" of the sidewalks = 430 feet (walking time = 123 seconds; running time = 54 seconds)
    • From the "T" to BG's home = 438 feet (walking time = 125 seconds)
    • From the "T" to the location of the last fight (TM's estimated body location) = 122 feet (walking speed = 35 seconds; running speed = 15 seconds)
    • From BG's home to the location of the last fight (TM's estimated body location) = 290 feet (walking time 83 seconds; running time = 36 seconds).

    (All measurements were obtained from Google Earth using their measurement tool and are rounded off. Times are based on 3.5 feet per second walking speed and 8 feet per second running speed. All times are also rounded off.)

    I think GZ saw TM coming between the townhouses at the NW corner of the subdivision as GZ was driving around Retreat View Circle from his house going towards the clubhouse and the front entrance. I think GZ stopped at the intersection of Retreat View and Twin Trees and watched TM walk up the street, calling SPD as he did so.

    GZ's call to SPD connected at 19:09:34. About a minute later, at 19:10:33 (by my estimate) GZ tells the dispatcher, "Yeah, now he's coming towards me." The timing would fit with GZ seeing TM, deciding to call SPD, and doing so - about 30 seconds for GZ to go through the entire process. From then until 19:10:50 GZ tells the SPD dispatcher, "He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male." "He's got button on his shirt, late teens." "Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is."

    TM meanwhile has seen GZ's vehicle pass him, then stop at the intersection. He would have walked to the corner, expecting the SUV to pull on out, but it sat there, not moving with the driver staring at him. When I was a pedestrian, often I would circle behind a car stopped at a stop sign so they didn't have to wait for me to pass in front of them. I could see TM doing this, hoping this strange man would drive on off. That could be the 'circling' mentioned in one of GZ's stories. Nothing nefarious, just a cautionary move on TM's part.

    If TM walked straight from the corner to the mailboxes, it would take about 30 seconds. Add a little bit of time for him to 'circle' GZ's SUV and that only gives him a few seconds to stop under the area next to the mailboxes and to raise his hood before GZ says, "He's running" at 19:11:40. The dispatcher confirms with GZ that the subject is running and asks which way. The exchange between the dispatcher and GZ that confirms that GZ thought TM was running towards the back entrance lasts until the dispatcher enters in the log at 19:11:59 "subj now running towards back entrance of complex".

    TM's phone logs show that the last call from his girlfriend connected at approximately 19:12. I suspect the previous call from her disconnected when TM began to run - maybe TM disconnected and she called back.

    The distance from the mailboxes to the "T" intersection of the sidewalks is about 430 feet. If TM ran the entire way, it would take him about 54 seconds. Walking, it would take about 123 seconds, just over one minute difference in times. If TM began running at 19:11:40 and ran the entire way to the "T" he would have gotten there at about 19:12:34. I suspect that TM stopped running before he got all the way to the "T" to answer the call from his girlfriend and to see if the strange man was still following.

    From the "T" to the back door of BG's home is about 438 feet and would take a little over two minutes to walk. If TM walked the entire way and planned to go in the back door, he would have been home by 19:15. But he was talking to his girl, watching for the strange man, going slow, I suspect.

    What if TM HAD made it home? From the back door of BG's home to the place where we have estimated TM's body to be is 210 to 300 feet (70 yards by several people's estimates, 290 feet by my measurements with Google Earth). At a running speed of 8 feet per second, it would take 26 to 36 seconds to travel that distance.

    At the bond hearing Detective Gilbreath mentioned a witness who saw two figures running away from the direction of where TM was staying. If TM was almost home and GZ confronted him at approximately 19:16 when the girlfriend's call disconnected, that chase could end at the location where the body was a few seconds before the gunshot at 19:16:55. Those screams on the 911 call became more desperate in the last ten or twenty seconds - because GZ had stopped TM and TM knew he was about to die?

    This is just one theory, but the times seem to fit.

    JMO, IMO, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csziggy View Post
    While writing a reply in the thread about the "missing" two minutes, I realized I had enough information to assign exact military times to the times I took from listening to the recording of GZ's call to SPD on February 26, 2012.

    All the sources are the same as in message #2 in this thread. The only change is that I have shifted some of the dispatcher's entries in the call log and added a few that I had in inserted previously.
    CORRECTION TO TIMES of 911 call with screams and gunshot:
    19:16:11 Call 3 begins (call listed as Call #2 on Channel 13 web site)
    19:16:55:47 GUNSHOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    From the Bond Hearing:



    From RZ Sr.'s Sean Hannity interview:
    Do we have BG's actual address? I ask because I have seen other pictures that show BG's townhouse at the last building down, second from the end. curious

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