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    Quote Originally Posted by highflyer View Post
    The Enquirer? Really?

    The same tabloid that claimed Elvis was alive and living in a spaceship the shape of a jelly donut ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Does George Zimmerman need to show he sustained severe injuries in order to claim self-defence? If evidence is produced showing he sustained a bloody nose and some lacerations to the back of his head would that be enough to show he was trying to prevent great bodily harm by using deadly force?
    George claims he was beaten to a pulp on the sidewalk & had his nose broken but nothing is visible in police video 20 minutes afterwards at SPD! Why would anyone believe him about self-defense when he lied about his injuries? He created faux injuries in his statements & lied about self-defense to justify gunning down Trayvon so nothing he says can be trusted JMO. Once a liar always a liar, especially to get out of trouble (this time a MURDER charge!!) all jmo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Does George Zimmerman need to show he sustained severe injuries in order to claim self-defence? If evidence is produced showing he sustained a bloody nose and some lacerations to the back of his head would that be enough to show he was trying to prevent great bodily harm by using deadly force?
    Nothing in SYG says he already had to have severe injuries before he could use deadly force.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by highflyer View Post
    The Enquirer? Really?
    I think that was the point, even the Enquirer didn't write anything about his injuries not being real or no injuries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by francie View Post
    George claims he was beaten to a pulp on the sidewalk & had his nose broken but nothing is visible in police video 20 minutes afterwards at SPD! Why would anyone believe him about self-defense when he lied about his injuries? He created faux injuries in his statements & lied about self-defense to justify gunning down Trayvon so nothing he says can be trusted JMO. Once a liar always a liar, especially to get out of trouble (this time a MURDER charge!!) all jmo.

    I haven't seen any of George Zimmermans statements to police released yet. And I haven't seen any EMT or medical reports released either. How can we say what he claimed his injuries were at this point? Calling him a liar is premature in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zenreaper View Post
    See, you have equated "threatened" to "ticked off', which is not true, nor the same thing. Have GZ shot TM when he "ticked" him off, he would have done so right after he left the vehicle, and not waited until TM attacked him.
    George's 'source' claimed he was frightened that Trayvon was circling his vehicle. But that didn't happen imo because Trayvon wasn't "at" George's vehicle, because George didn't call 911 EMERGENCY & didn't bother to tell the dispatcher! Plus George had to run after Trayvon to catch up and kill him, and that's a fact because we know Trayvon was shot approx 233 ft from George's truck per Concerned Papa's great maps & SFD calls.

    Imo George did NOT have the injuries he claims, there was no actual 'fight' because Trayvon was just trying to get away when George pulled his gun, thus the horrible cries from Trayvon before he was shot. So..... was George frightened, threatened, ticked-off or obsessed with a black kid that dared to walk on "George's" property when he decided to pursue & kill him? All JMO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I haven't seen any of George Zimmermans statements to police released yet. And I haven't seen any EMT or medical reports released either. How can we say what he claimed his injuries were at this point? Calling him a liar is premature in my opinion.
    That's your choice but I think the police video says it all & he's lying to save himself. JMO



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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I haven't seen any of George Zimmermans statements to police released yet. And I haven't seen any EMT or medical reports released either. How can we say what he claimed his injuries were at this point? Calling him a liar is premature in my opinion.
    IDK, Ranch. The City Manager of Sanford says we've seen, at least, some of George's statements to LE through a "leaked" article at the Orlando Sentinel:

    This is what the Sentinel has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that. [2:26]

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear………..

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager

    The accuracy of this article’s information was validated by the City Manager of Sanford, FL:

    Seems to be more or less the same story his father told in his Sean Hannity interview.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Concerned Papa View Post
    IDK, Ranch. The City Manager of Sanford says we've seen, at least, some of George's statements to LE through a "leaked" article at the Orlando Sentinel:



    Seems to be more or less the same story his father told in his Sean Hannity interview.
    I'm sorry. I should have said in regards to injuries suffered. This is the thread about GZ's injuries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I'm sorry. I should have said in regards to injuries suffered. This is the thread about GZ's injuries.
    From the same article CP posted...

    When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.
    Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    I'm sorry. I should have said in regards to injuries suffered. This is the thread about GZ's injuries.
    Oh, ok here's picking up where I snipped the article:

    .....and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...black-teenager


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    Quote Originally Posted by imamaze View Post
    From the same article CP posted...

    When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.
    Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
    Thanks imamaze. So independently from GZ, there's reports of injuries to his face and head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zenreaper View Post
    Okay, there were injuries. They existed. Do you realize how many people saw GZ the night this happened? As evidence comes in, stories are told, not one single person has said they saw GZ with no injuries. This guy was in a police station, and not one single individual has testified or affidavited, or told the Enquirer that they saw him with zero injuries. Doesn't that make you think? As to their severity, their existence proves contact. Because legally, the first law breaker is responsible. The first contact is responsible. Some say GZ tried to detain him. Show evidence of that? I would like to see it, it would directly influence my opinion. That would make him, in my opinion, guilty of manslaughter for provoking the fight that lead to death. Is there anything to back up that conclusion in regards to injuries?

    I know the photo shows two cuts. I've never said he had none ,but it's the lack of injuries in those places. If your laying on your back with your head being pounded, wouldn't you be moving around trying to buck the person off that is beating the crap out of you?

    I would expect to see bloody abrasions along with the gashes. I would expect to see more blood and in more places than what is shown in that photo. Wouldn't you be grabbing the hands that were holding your head to make them stop and let go? Wouldn't you, in a death struggle, be moving all over the place, moving your head and body around trying to get away.

    That to me, as a reasonable person, seems more likely than two minor cuts on the back of his head that really had a small amount of blood.

    I think GZ took it upon himself to be an armed patrol and a bully and a young man got killed. It wasn't like he had no choices to make. He made a choice and created a hostile situation and a confrontation that ended in a young boys death.

    He could of made his presence known in less aggressive ways and made his point.

    He could of diffused the situation by making eye contact and a hey how are? Most people would nod and move on after being seen. That was what Trayvon was doing. He was seen by a strange acting man that was now after him. He had every reason to be alarmed and he was doing exactly what the majority of people would of done. He was moving on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    Thanks imamaze. So independently from GZ, there's reports of injuries to his face and head.
    Ranch, here's my point and the reason I posted what has been verified as George's statement to LE, if we're going to acknowledge that George and the SPD said he had some injuries, shouldn't we acknowledge where he indicates he got them AT?

    Every bit of insight available to us from this verified article, his attorney's questioning of the Investigator at the Bond Hearing, and his father's detailed accounting of what George told him about that night, all tell the same story and sequence of events.

    George got out of his vehicle.....followed Trayvon on the sidewalk for 18 seconds until the dispatcher told him to stop.....continued on to the next street over for an address....was walking back to his vehicle when Trayvon attacked him and started beating him.

    George's father got fairly specific as to the location of this beating:

    He continued walking down the sidewalk directly in front of him to the next street to get an address. He got an address.

    He was walking back to his vehicle.

    Trayvon came from his left side…from that area where the sidewalks meet…and started beating him.

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannit...#ixzz1svJVUFyf
    If this deal went down anything like George told LE, how did the body wind up 70 yards from Trayvon's own back door as George Zimmerman's OWN ATTORNEY volunteered at the bond hearing?

    From the Bond Hearing recording at the [1:19:55] mark:

    GILBREATH: Because the location he was found in….is probably….and I don’t have the exact measurements….it’s in the path to the back door of the house where he was staying.

    O’MARA: I think the evidence suggested it was 70 yards away, right?

    http://www.wral.com/news/video/11004815/#/vid11004815
    Do you realize that's over 170' away from where George's story says he got these injuries? In the OPPOSITE direction from this vehicle he was supposedly walking to?

    The three attachments below show in this order:

    -The location of where Trayvon was staying per the NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...on-martin.html

    -Image showing 70 yard distance

    -Image showing distance to "that area where the sidewalks meet"

    Something's not right with this story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenreaper View Post
    So what WOULD convince you that there were injuries? I mean COME ON. No bandages, means no injury, bandages means FAKED to indicate an injury that wasn't there. Police report that there were injuries, well, police report must have been faked. A PICTURE of one of the injuries. Nope, must have been faked, and if not, well, he caused it himself maybe, and where are the pictures of the OTHER injuries.

    Lets be honest, you are placing an UNFAIR amount of pressure on GZ to "prove" he was injured, then shooting down EVERY offering that he was injured, NOT with "reason" or investigative techniques, but with UNREASONABLE statements and accusations.
    I'm not sure how it is unreasonable to say that IF Zimmerman had needed bandages on the back of his head and/or his nose the next day that he would have needed them minutes after the incident occured. When I am bleeding I do not wait until the next day before I apply a much needed bandage. I don't know of anyone that does.

    The police report that we have seen was not a complete or final report. It stated that there was blood on Zimmerman's nose and back of the head. I have said before that I am not sure that all of the blood was Zimmerman's considering he had shot Trayvon and then placed his hands on him. I know that Trayvon was bleeding as it has been described that Trayvon was lying face down in a pool of blood.

    I also do not believe that simply because there are two small lacerations on the back of Zimmerman's head that it is evidence that Trayvon attacked him (first or otherwise) and banged his head on the sidewalk. What it does tell me is that at some point Zimmerman fell and hit his head. I think that is completely reasonable seeing how it was raining that night and the ground and sidewalk were both wet.

    So while some may think that simply because I refuse to believe Zimmerman's claims of what happened that night (when he has every reason under the sun to lie since he is facing 2nd degree murder charges) that I am being unreasonable then I am sorry. However, I am not going to change my opinion without proof that I am wrong and that Zimmerman is right.

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