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    Quote Originally Posted by ex-junkie View Post
    So I've been thinking about a number of things.

    First, I want the family to know that if Katie's death was from the heroin, she would not have experienced any pain in her death, it would have been very peaceful, like falling asleep. Back when I was using, I overdosed several times and actually died once. The maid at the hotel found me, all black and purple, no heartbeat no breathing. The paramedics came and gave me the series of six or seven shots that counter the effects of the heroin. Which is why I know that Chris could have done something if he had an ounce of humanity in him. But he was too afraid to deal with authorities.

    I am interested in how many hours were Chris and Katie together before he left. He may have taken her car to go get more dope. Note that there are two ingredients to be mixed on the spoon. The heroin and the (either speed or coke) that gives the kick you need to counter the rush from the heroin. You cannot shoot straight heroin or you would die. So he may have left to get more of one or the other.

    He would have hidden his "kit" somewhere where the used needles, spoon, etc. would be all together. If he was somewhat coherent, he would have disposed of his kit well, but it sounds like he was sloppy in covering his tracks. I realize the kit will probably not be found--doubtful he left it in the trunk, but maybe he ditched it near where the car was found?
    This is slightly off topic but just wanted to correct something that ex junkie stated above, about needing to mix heroin with either coke or speed because shooting straight heroin will result in death. This is not true. Speaking from personal experience, heroin can indeed, and most often is, shot straight, meaning heroin only. In fact, mixing heroin with coke is called a speedball, and is actually way more dangerous than shooting heroin by itself. Of all heroin overdoses brought into the ER, the majority of them were the result of the user mixing the drug with cocaine, I.e., a speedball (this is what John Belushi died from), or by combining the use of heroin with consumption of alcohol. So again, heroin absolutely can and usually is shot just by itself, with no other drugs mixed in, and it is safer to do this than mixing it with any other drug, including cocaine or speed. Again, slightly off topic but just wanted to correct the above information for those who may not have much experience with these kinds of drugs. Thanks!


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    Katie died.
    Needle marks on right arm are only indication of what led to death.
    Katie is right handed.
    Tox report is not back.
    Cause of death unknown.
    Clothes dishelved.
    Car missing.
    Chris Benton is likely with her in the time leading up to her death.
    Logical assumption is he fled with car.

    When you look at those items what is the expectation in terms of a foul play ruling coming 2 days after Katie is found dead and with Chris Benton not questioned? What sets a precedent for no foul play here when a girl is dead and the cause of death is unknown and the last known contact hasn't been questioned?

    Add in to the set of circustances:
    Katie has past history of Heroin use.

    If a person is dead and someone fled the scene, how can no foul play stand when cause of death is unknown? Is a past drug problem the most important factor here? Should it be?
    It appears to me that Katie's past drug use was the determining factor in the no foul play ruling rather than the determining factor being getting all available information and then concluding cause of death. Did the conclusion come before reason here?

    What I see is.

    Conclusion for no foul play: Katie a willing participant in Heroin OD
    Reason: Past Drug use

    Rather than what I expect to see,

    Reason: Chris involvement = ?
    Reason: Tox Report = ?
    Reason: Print Report =?
    Conclusion regarding foul play = (whatever the reasons determine)

    I don't think you can let Chris off because of Katie's past drug use in this case. He’s been let off in this case because of her past drug use.

    So the questions I'm having are:
    1) Was this thing handled based on Katie's past drug use though that aspect of her is not definitive in determining her death on 4/27?
    2) Has possible definitive information (Chris) been left out?
    3) Why should non definitive information supersede possible definitive information in what the circumstances were that led to Katie's death?

    I think it is more than reasonable to demand that Chris is questioned immediately and not proteced by a no foul play ruling from the coroner.


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    Katie died.
    Needle marks on right arm are only indication of what led to death.
    Katie is right handed.
    Tox report is not back.
    Cause of death unknown.
    Clothes dishelved.
    Car missing.
    Chris Benton is likely with her in the time leading up to her death.
    Logical assumption is he fled with car.

    When you look at those items what is the expectation in terms of a foul play ruling coming 2 days after Katie is found dead and with Chris Benton not questioned? What sets a precedent for no foul play here when a girl is dead and the cause of death is unknown and the last known contact hasn't been questioned?

    Add in to the set of circustances:
    Katie has past history of Heroin use.

    If a person is dead and someone fled the scene, how can no foul play stand when cause of death is unknown? Is a past drug problem the most important factor here? Should it be?
    It appears to me that Katie's past drug use was the determining factor in the no foul play ruling rather than the determining factor being getting all available information and then concluding cause of death. Did the conclusion come before reason here?

    What I see is.

    Conclusion for no foul play: Katie a willing participant in Heroin OD
    Reason: Past Drug use

    Rather than what I expect to see,

    Reason: Chris involvement = ?
    Reason: Tox Report = ?
    Reason: Print Report =?
    Conclusion regarding foul play = (whatever the reasons determine)

    I don't think you can let Chris off because of Katie's past drug use in this case. He’s been let off in this case because of her past drug use.

    So the questions I'm having are:
    1) Was this thing handled based on Katie's past drug use though that aspect of her is not definitive in determining her death on 4/27?
    2) Has possible definitive information (Chris) been left out?
    3) Why should non definitive information supersede possible definitive information in what the circumstances were that led to Katie's death?

    I think it is more than reasonable to demand that Chris is questioned immediately and not proteced by a no foul play ruling from the coroner.


    My opinion ONLY: (And btw, I'm just a grandmother, a stay at home mom, other then being called for jury duty, no legal background)


    Ref:
    What sets a precedent for no foul play here when a girl is dead and the cause of death is unknown and the last known contact hasn't been questioned?
    Politics in L.A. and more then likely in Malibu now (DA's office, political persuasion due to C.B. being the son of a rich and powerful positioned man.
    The Sheriff's office already spoke of this when they said publically, "he has a good lawyer"

    So the precedant is it is not the first time this has been used, (Political persuasion) and Status/position being indicator.

    IF it had been the son of a poor man, a person not well connected, would this be the case ?
    I sincerely doubt it , and any one in Law Enforcement I'm sure would agree with me, IF they were being honest with themselves (most aren't unfortunatley), there is the official line.

    So is it fair?

    Of course not, but then again, it goes on regularly everywhere. Just seems to be seen moreso in L.A. and surrounding enclaves of rich vs everyone else.

    I truly believe from my heart what went on was a quick analysis, of who has the better public and financial position here, and C.B.'s family won out.

    But that's just "imo"'

    And you know what the old saying is, "everyone has an opinion like everyone has a belly button" True enough.
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    Essence, you are brilliant and a hero for your sister.

    From Pepperdine's FB page. "Want to Pick Pesident Benton's brain?" How convenient- YES WE DO! Look- they even created a new logo for us! Click through to ask questions. Please keep them positive and about finding facts. This is not a witch hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    My opinion ONLY: (And btw, I'm just a grandmother, a stay at home mom, other then being called for jury duty, no legal background)


    Ref:

    Politics in L.A. and more then likely in Malibu now (DA's office, political persuasion due to C.B. being the son of a rich and powerful positioned man.
    The Sheriff's office already spoke of this when they said publically, "he has a good lawyer"

    So the precedant is it is not the first time this has been used, (Political persuasion) and Status/position being indicator.

    IF it had been the son of a poor man, a person not well connected, would this be the case ?
    I sincerely doubt it , and any one in Law Enforcement I'm sure would agree with me, IF they were being honest with themselves (most aren't unfortunatley), there is the official line.

    So is it fair?

    Of course not, but then again, it goes on regularly everywhere. Just seems to be seen moreso in L.A. and surrounding enclaves of rich vs everyone else.

    I truly believe from my heart what went on was a quick analysis, of who has the better public and financial position here, and C.B.'s family won out.

    But that's just "imo"'

    And you know what the old saying is, "everyone has an opinion like everyone has a belly button" True enough.
    Just a grandma , i'm sure there are a few who describe you as, GRANDMA!

    With the Benton's involvement the politics angle can be a bit of a pitfall, because it provides an easy excuse for things that don't go the way I (we) would like things to go. But politics so far I believe have presented limited if any undertow to the developments in the case. Money, power in terms of the course Chris took after he was exposed by the investigation,... I see those exposing a lack of character (both for Chris, and for his father for enabling that action), but it was a choice given the circumstances.

    It is my understanding that the no foul play ruling came before Chris Benton was a known factor in this case.

    I think that Katie's past drug use was a critical determining factor in the no foul play ruling, I'd like the critical determining factors to be other items like Chris's account and a final tox report, both of which were not in when the no foul play ruling was given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Essence, you are brilliant and a hero for your sister.



    http://www.facebook.com/TruthForKatie
    Given the build up I'd love to take credit here!

    A friend of mine who has been very involved with me and my process put that item together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalgenie View Post
    You are truly a good brother and know that I for one am so proud of you but most importantly your family and Katie are proud of you. You keep fighting for Katie and be her voice.

    I can not fathom leaving someone to die, stealing their car, and then running to Daddy's lawyer. Those people represent themselves as christians and that makes me sick. I am spiritual but I do not believe in organized religion and these people represent some of the reasons I feel the way I do.

    Katie will always be with you. Please get counseling. You will need it. My mom died right in front of me and I had a hard time remembering anything but seeing her like that. I want you to be able to remember your beautiful sister happy an alive.
    Thank you for sharing the memory of your mother. I'm in grief counseling. I also shared the memory with someone I trusted and respected and that helped me. I had the prominent memory of the "moment" issues for awhile, still do from time to time. I do remember her for everything else now though and even how I found her is a part of it, just not the only part.

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    It seems to me that if the 'marks' of some kind of injection were on her right arm, and Katie was right handed, and if there was no evidence of a needle or spoon (or however this might have been done) near her, or anywhere in the garage or in the house, then I don't understand how she could have overdosed herself. That would lead me to believe that 'foul play' would be on the table until or unless some other reason for Katie's death is found.

    Just because Katie was a prior drug addict, does not necessarily mean that she had resumed the practice, especially if none of the acoutrements of such a practice were found. It doesn't any sense to me.

    Graduation season for Pepperdine is over as of this weekend, I think. Maybe it will give Andrew Benton a time now to reflect on issues of right and wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.b.nora View Post
    It seems to me that if the 'marks' of some kind of injection were on her right arm, and Katie was right handed, and if there was no evidence of a needle or spoon (or however this might have been done) near her, or anywhere in the garage or in the house, then I don't understand how she could have overdosed herself. That would lead me to believe that 'foul play' would be on the table until or unless some other reason for Katie's death is found.

    Just because Katie was a prior drug addict, does not necessarily mean that she had resumed the practice, especially if none of the acoutrements of such a practice were found. It doesn't any sense to me.

    Graduation season for Pepperdine is over as of this weekend, I think. Maybe it will give Andrew Benton a time now to reflect on issues of right and wrong.

    True, a prior drug addiction, yet as I pointed to, some people in our society are seen as "less then".....But hey, IF it were their child, their sister, their mother, their........then all bets are off! We'd see action then. Sad, but true.

    How many prostitutes are murdered each year, and there is not a great outcry except when there are a few parents or siblings who cared enough to make a mission of capturing their killer.

    There are actually a few of these cases back East mostly in NYC and perhaps points south.

    They aren't "less then" because they were someone's sister, someone's mother, someone's child.

    I still say it's the position he holds as the son of a quasi-famous person albeit in a certain small enclave.

    I doubt someone without a conscience, will suddenly grow one either. Seldom seen.


    BTW: I found this much older case, about a decade ago. Look how times have changed fro going after the perps.

    Back in the “olden days” as recently as 10 yrs ago, just a decade ago, power & privilege, being well connected didn’t play into the justice
    as much as it appears to today as seen by this article, the arrest of Andrew Luster after a coed in college, a non-connected young woman
    accused him of raping her with the date rape drugs he used.

    Today, I would seriously wonder, if they’d bother at all going after him.


    http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan...al/me-luster22

    Luster, who lived alone in Mussel Shoals, was arrested outside his home on July 18, 2000, after a UC Santa Barbara student told police he had raped her there.

    During a search of the house, Ventura County Sheriff's Department detectives found the videotapes in a locked bedroom closet.

    Authorities also seized cocaine and other drugs, as well as weapons. Luster was charged with multiple counts of rape based on the university student's report and the two videotapes. He was initially held on $10-million bail after prosecutors persuaded a judge that he was a flight risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Essense View Post
    Thank you for sharing the memory of your mother. I'm in grief counseling. I also shared the memory with someone I trusted and respected and that helped me. I had the prominent memory of the "moment" issues for awhile, still do from time to time. I do remember her for everything else now though and even how I found her is a part of it, just not the only part.
    Essense, my younger sister died as a result of alcohol combined with anorexia, and it took me a while to get the final images of her out of my mind and resume my earlier memories of her, but I am glad you are in grief counseling as that really helped at the time. She was a lot more than her problems/diseases, and I am sure Katie was as well.
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Essence,

    Welcome to Websleuths, I'm so sorry its under these circumstances. Thank you for your kind words on the radio show and for thinking of my family. You, your sister and family are in my thoughts as well.

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    Anne Solbe of the Malibu Surfside News remains a viligant eye on the story through her coverage.

    pg5

    http://www.malibusurfsidenews.com/current_issue.pdf

    There are also letters to the editor that offer views into the matter.


    I'm currently frustrated that Chris is not being investigated to uncover his role. He is the person that has the most immediate answers,... and it appears to me he is protected from being investigated because:
    1) He is the one that has the answers. So catch 22
    2) Katie's past drug use is being used liberally to explain the unexplained suspicious circumstances of her death.

    A woman appears to have been dragged and left for dead with a car stolen from her home (leaving her stranded 3 miles from nearest public road, so she didn't loan it out) and the last known contact who is presumed to have been with her hours before or at her time of death has not been questioned? Does past drug use really apply so liberally as to explain those circumstances adequately?

    I know the detectives want to question Chris, i'm unclear on why the laws or entity who can make the call here has chosen to not pursue the most immediate source of information in the case.


    What else?

    Edit:
    My frame of mind is that if Katie relapsed, she owns it. I'm having a hard time coming to grips that with her texts, Chris's involement, and the suspicius circumstances that are known, that this was just a relapse that killed her. Though I will say that before I saw her txts, read her workout and diet journal, and found out that Chris was involved, that I did believe this was just a trajic relapse.
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    What an excellent article this woman wrote, I agree, it brings to the focus all of these mainly unanswered important questions.,

    I note that the LE office admits to:

    1) Her body "may have been dragged" to explain the clothing in disarray. WELL, "Duh"

    2) The contents of her purse were found "spilled" onto the floor of her vehicle, which obviously, (another "Duh") she herself did not drive as she was left dead in the garage!

    This entire fiasco, is another reminder of the old saying,
    "The squeaky wheel, gets the oil".

    For those who care in Malibu about this travesty, please keep squeaking!
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    I believe in karma more than I have faith in the justice system. Every country should have federal good samaritan laws IMO. It should be a felony to neglect to seek help.

    Steve, I hope your family gets some answers. I hope certain people realize this is THE pivitol moment in their life to do what's right. Even if it ends up costing them some reputation or some money or some dignity, that pales in comparison to a lifetime of regret and shame and denial.

    RIP Katie.

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    http://malibusurfsidenews.com/storie...205310005.html
    Coroner's Office Says Katie Wilkins Tox Results Still Weeks Away
    The official cause of death for Katherine Jessie Wilkins continues to be listed as deferred. Chief Coroner Investigator and Chief of Operations Craig Harvey of the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner told the Malibu Surfside News Tuesday that he "just heard back from the deputy medical examiner on this case [and] it appears that the toxicology is still 4-6 weeks out before final results will be available."
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    I've been following this post and found this article that relates. Even though it is a different case in Maryland, it shows a similar case where a murder charge is pending.
    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/0...uled-homicide/

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    At this time I’m confident that investigators and law enforcement with the help of the community and those willing, will reveal what happened here.

    Prints are back.

    Proves Chris at the house on the door leading to the garage where I found Katie. Up to this point I'm positive Chris would have denied everything afforded to him, so the print is significant. At this point we can expect more of the same, silence and deceit, from the Benton Camp. We have seen this already through lawyers and rehab and a single astonishingly callous public statement from Andy with no private contact returned to my family. Any story and stance that hides Chris’s guilt will be given. So we may play devil advocates as to what Chris can continue to cling to.

    I believe Chris last txt was certainly a cover. Prints put him at house and in the garage where Katie was found. Considering her car was missing for 11 days following her death and never returned, it is clear that whoever was there with her stole the car. Given Chris was at the house and with no car of his own it's logical he fled in the car. If he borrowed it or was given permission to use it why was the car never returned and instead found by authorities in a location that indicates the car had not long been there? 1) never reported 2) no street cleaning tickets

    For reference Chris's lst txt was sent to her cell at a time after she died but long before (30h) news of her death was made public.

    "Wut happened? was that ur brother? Lemme kno that ur alrite. have a good day"

    He never followed that txt up with a call or txt and never came forward during the period of 3-4 days after Katie's death was made public. The work of investigators and law enforcement, not Chris, revealed Chris's role in the circumstances leading to Katie's death. Chris's last txt to Katie doesn't hold up here. When the investigation revealed Chris was the last person to be seen with Katie, instead of following through on the concern implied with his txt, it was revealed that Chris was found to have been placed in a rehab and put behind a criminal attorney. Last txt walks like a, quacks like a,... thank you Chris.

    No one has come forward with information about Katie's whereabouts and the only sign of a third party is from Chris's txt. I believe this attempt at a cover txt will serve to sink him and should also sink the person who designed that txt, I do not believe it was conceived of by Chris.

    *Important* As expected no prints from the car. Print report shows nothing conclusive. Surveillance does prove Chris getting into the car regardless. Car was being hidden for a number of days after Katie's death. Keys still not found. Car was never returned to our family, it was found by an officer 11 days after Katie died. The location where the car was found indicates that any car sitting there for a number of days would have been ticketed. If the car was driven there directly after Katie died the car would have received 2 tickets. No tickets on car. The car was in the possession of whomever stole it for a number of days before it was left where an on duty Officer found it. Car having no prints is of further significance because this is in line with the plan of cover that Chris and his Keepers have engaged in since Katie died.

    Tox not back.

    As I consider the response from Andy and his reflection on Pepperdine on an issue that is squarely in his view, i'm ashamed for both Andy and the Universities PR department. I hold all of the Alumni, especially the men and women I personally know, in the highest regard. This is for good reason. Andy's representaion of Pepperdine University is an important part of the story. The hypocrisy of Andy is staggering. I have seen the physical reaction of disbelief and shock from people who are aware of the circumstances at this time and have seen his response.

    Both Andy and the Universities PR have chosen inaction and rhetoric over providing a sincere approach towards acting in a manner to get the truth of what happened. The truth of what happened is clearly of paramount importance at this time. Both the university and Andy chose to issue "no comment" during initial media initiated attempts to contact them regarding the story. Only after repeated attempts did they provide statements. Given the tone of the responses, it is clear that they deliberated and made a choice to distance themselves and deflect the issue as much as possible. Any sincerity in the responses would have been implied and found in an initial and immediate response, there is no sincerity in contrived responses issued after denying comment repeadetly. So shame to them and I expect the appearance is seen for what it is, a lack of character and morality when they both represent a distinguished University that demands their very best.
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    No question lessons can be very hard in life to learn. The lesson here, that there are many shallow less then brave individuals at Pepperdine U. Not the least of which is it's President ; A big salary and prestigious career, does not a person make.


    So shame to them and I expect the appearance is seen for what it is, a lack of character and morality when they both represent a distinguished University that demands their very best.
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    Thank you for the update. I have been curious to see if the people helping Chris were smart enough to at least leave his prints on the passenger side of the car. After all he was on video, therefore you would figure they would at least not clean down the whole car. As you knew his print would be on the door knobs. So sad that they can't just step up and at least have a conversation with you and your parents. But you know once defense attorneys get involved, they don't want them saying anything to anyone.

    When are the Tox reports due back? It will be very interesting to see what that shows.

    My heart feels for you. Thank you for being your sister's voice. Cyber hug for you....you are a wonderful man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terracotta View Post
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    Thank you for the update. I have been curious to see if the people helping Chris were smart enough to at least leave his prints on the passenger side of the car. After all he was on video, therefore you would figure they would at least not clean down the whole car. As you knew his print would be on the door knobs. So sad that they can't just step up and at least have a conversation with you and your parents. But you know once defense attorneys get involved, they don't want them saying anything to anyone.

    When are the Tox reports due back? It will be very interesting to see what that shows.

    My heart feels for you. Thank you for being your sister's voice. Cyber hug for you....you are a wonderful man.
    Thank you. I feel fortunate that I saw one of lovejac's comments on an article that led me to this community. The lead detective is aware of the thread. He is a helluva guy as is his partner, for all those following be confident in knowing that along with us here that there are very good people invovled and working on this and sharing ideas and getting after it. There is possibly a bit of undertoe regarding questions of procedure given Chris hasn't been questioned at this time. Bottom line is Chris will not reveal anything whether he is brought in or not and that's a choice Chris's defense has made at this time given what they know of Chris's invovlment.

    Tox back in ~2weeks.

    Proof will reveal Chris and so part of that is getting proof through his contacts; people he has wronged in his past or through his future failures as a person or folks who just don't like Chris and want to nail his ass. Anyone able to share, reveal, illicit information regarding Chris's actions will be pivotal in getting Chris brought to justice and possibly saving others from Chris. There are lot of viewers of this thread, get on and make Chris sweat to the extent you are able, this is a large part of what needs to happen to move forward in the case.

    My father did a courtesy knock in the neighborhood where car was found. Couple interesting new pieces of information. Was told car was ditched on 5/1, just a few days after I found Katie and 1 day after her death was announced on the news. The man who ditched the car was described as fitting a profile of Chris Benton. This person parked the car, grabbed sometihng from the passenger seat and walked away out of the neighborhood. The reason this was not reported earlier than 5/8 was because the significance was not known until then. Street cleaning tix remain a puzzle, the car should have recieved them given it's time on the street where it was ditched.


    Is it possilbe or likely the car was taken to Chris's home in Pepperdine where he lived with his parents? I question why take the car on the road after the news stories broke on 4/30 and where else would Chris go after he fled our home? If the car traveled to the Benton home it explains their crafted and defiant silence we have encountered from them since the moment Chris involvment was revealed.

    I'd like feedback/discussion regarding the argument that a person who has quit heroin and not used for several years can be seen as someone who has made an implied statement about their frame of mind that simply states "I do not want to and will not use heroin again". Temptation is a factor, but it's speculation, the act of quitting in this scenario is not speculation but the objective truth. I understand why speculation takes precendent, though I think it reveals an interesting look into possible stigma of drug use and how damaging it can be for not only users (past and present) but also for folks who want to help with drug issues and addictions. Realizing and dissolving the stigma of drug use and addiction helps everyone who deals with the very real and dangerous problems of addiction.

    The idea that a past addict is seen by some as addict first and a person who chose to overcome their problem through strength of character is unsettling though very real as it applies to numerous people i've shared this story with as well as myself. I am the person who sees addicts as addicts first, this is part of why the issue is compelling to me. I think I will work to stop this behavior, but its a large dose of acceptance of me first and change second.


    I believe that if another person who had past drug issues that were either not revealed to authorities or simply not present in a persons history, and if that person were found in the way Katie died that this case would have been treated differently. I think that is an interesting position to consider if you see Katie's time clean from heroin for a few different insights into her mentality on 4/27-28.
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    I find it very compelling, too, Essense. And there is no doubt in my mind the case would have been handled much differently from the get go had Katie's past been different.

    I believe there probably are folks in Chris's world who would love to see him go down. I don't think he could possibly have been stupid enough to drive Katie's car home to his parent's house, could he? But he DID drive it somewhere before he dumped it in that neighborhood, and someone knows that.

    On the chance that CB's folks are reading here, I'd like to give them a glimpse of what the future with their son may be should they choose to continue enabling and protecting him.

    I have an ex-brother-in-law who has been in rehab (various levels) six times that we know of. I'm pretty sure he did a few more stints before we knew him. His drugs of choice are cocaine and vicodin. Right now, at the age of 54, he is living with his mommy, who refuses to see the reality of the situation, and in the midst of a divorce from the mother of this 3 children.

    You are a classy guy.
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    It's good to hear that there are some good detectives here that can also put themselves in another's shoes, for many of us have children Katie's age and everyone makes mistakes in life too.

    Of course, I'm sure they'd not want that person responsible for sticking a needle (obviously the fatal one) into Katie's arm to go without living up to the responsibility of the deed.
    By putting off owning up it could make it worse in the long run too.

    For instance, by owning up to the deed now, admitting the failure to act prudently because of panic setting in could actually be a legal benefit to him now., rather then hiding away afraid to set the record straight.

    How long did Cathy Smith serve in prison for such a crime as this? 15months, that's all!

    And she probably didn't have the help of expensive lawyers on her defense "team" either.

    He may even get off as a first time offense of such magnitude as so many do when young in California's tonier towns. That might even be expected, but at LEAST, he'd "man up" to the act and get it over with!

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Smith"]Cathy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Heck, he may serve zero time, but would be able to look anyone in the eye and say, "I was scared, but now I've come to my senses" and what judge or jury wouldn't identify with honestly like that?

    Mistakes happen.

    But hiding and denying only makes it far worse in the end.
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    Just a couple of thoughts: If the car was actually seen being ditched on May 1st, by someone fitting a similar description of the real Chris Benton, that means that any indication that Chris was entered into a drug treatment facility on April 28th would possibly be a lie. I believe that this was said by at least one Pepperdine spokesperson and possibly by Chris's father himself, Andrew Benton.

    If the treatment facility was the loosie goosie (my opinion) SOPA where Chris had attended a meeting the night of April 27th, its possible he entered it and maybe even drove Katie's car there, but left to dump it on May 1st. It seems one can sort of come and go from there very easily, as well as maintain telephone, email, and internet contact with the outside world. And, remember, one of the admins from SOPA lives in Woodland Hills.

    Too many people are covering for Chris, and I have to ask for what reason?

    His own recovery, if he and his family really hope for him to achieve it, won't even start to occur until he faces the music regarding the time he spent with Katie that night and the next morning.

    I wish for some sort of resolution for Katie's family.

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