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    CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 - #14



    Sierra LaMar, 15, has been missing since Friday, March 16. She left home early that morning to walk to her bus stop for school. Her cell phone was found along a local roadway shortly after, and her purse/bag was also found later.
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    CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 - #14

    New thread for Sierra
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    This case makes me feel like I'm following the Holly Bobo case I hope LE has many more leads.

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    I wonder if Sierra had a scheduled PE class in school that Friday, then the change of clothes would have made sense,otherwise perhaps she wanted to meet up with someone. Yes I agree this case is much like Holly Bobo. What I wonder if the perp knew Sierras schedule,how did he know that she didn't have someone sleep over from the night before,like a friend.As a teen I had friends over sporadicly from time to time even on a school night. I hope Le is checking cameras in the area from the night before especially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda19 View Post
    I wonder if Sierra had a scheduled PE class in school that Friday, then the change of clothes would have made sense,otherwise perhaps she wanted to meet up with someone. Yes I agree this case is much like Holly Bobo. What I wonder if the perp knew Sierras schedule,how did he know that she didn't have someone sleep over from the night before,like a friend.As a teen I had friends over sporadicly from time to time even on a school night. I hope Le is checking cameras in the area from the night before especially.
    This lesson plan schedule for the day at her school has been cleared to exclude this I am sure IMO as no mention of a reason for a purse with clothes has been offered by parents or LE.

    All possibilties of motion cameras have been investigated and none found here anywhere, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berry View Post
    This lesson plan schedule for the day at her school has been cleared to exclude this I am sure IMO as no mention of a reason for a purse with clothes has been offered by parents or LE.

    All possibilities of motion cameras have been investigated and none found here anywhere, either.
    Perhaps a possibility that the perp entered home and made her pack clothes to miss lead investigation? I mean what other explanation is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda19 View Post
    Perhaps a possibility that the perp entered home and made her pack clothes to miss lead investigation? I mean what other explanation is there?
    IMO: lots of possibilities.

    1. Sierra was not wearing that shark sweater that was in the bag, only one that resembled it....There's a link to NG interview with Sherrif Smith that says the shirt in the bag resembles the shirt in the photo...BUT..they can't be sure.. Or something like that... With something as concrete as clothing, and a child missing, I think LE would state the clothing found is the clothing Sierra wore that day... But they have not said that.. IMO there is a reason why....

    A- Sierra packed her own bag (which I do not think)

    B- Perp packed up Sierras bag (more likely IMO)

    C-Perp got ahold of Sierra as she was stepping out of the shower... Maybe Sierra had those clothes folded on the bed read to wear that day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendy101 View Post
    IMO: lots of possibilities.

    1. Sierra was not wearing that shark sweater that was in the bag, only one that resembled it....There's a link to NG interview with Sherrif Smith that says the shirt in the bag resembles the shirt in the photo...BUT..they can't be sure.. Or something like that... With something as concrete as clothing, and a child missing, I think LE would state the clothing found is the clothing Sierra wore that day... But they have not said that.. IMO there is a reason why....

    A- Sierra packed her own bag (which I do not think)

    B- Perp packed up Sierras bag (more likely IMO)

    C-Perp got ahold of Sierra as she was stepping out of the shower... Maybe Sierra had those clothes folded on the bed read to wear that day?
    If perp got in house there should be sign of forced entry?.......

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    I think if a perp broke/got into the house, Sierra would more likely have been found in the house...a lot less dangerous to leave the house alone, after doing whatever to Sierra, than to take her with you. Also I can't see taking her bag and phone, especially if phone was to be tossed right away anyway...

    Unless we are back to the staging theory...

    We really need some new info from LE...
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    maybe someone texted sierra pretending to be someone else from clone phone or trace phone.if she has face time on mac, which I am sure she has she can actually talk to people through face time, but then again,of course Le has checked her computer all ready.I wonder if she made a verbal agreement with someone to be picked up outside her house.I mean how many people did she trust enough to get in a car with and who knew where she lived and knew her schedule?.....

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    I was just checking for updates and I see there is a new thread for Sierra ...

    I am still catching up on the last one ...

    I hope she is found way before another thread is started ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLouise44 View Post
    This case makes me feel like I'm following the Holly Bobo case I hope LE has many more leads.

    I agree ... and I do see some "similarities" ...

    It has now been over a year since Holly went missing, and nothing ...

    JMO ... but it appears this case is becoming a just like Holly's case has ...

    Again, JMO ... but I think it is time that LE "try" another "strategy" ... "keeping a lid" on everything is NOT working ...

    What do they have to lose ?


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    I am wondering if there is not more behind the arrest of the SO's than we are being told. I am wondering if all SO's, even those whose convictions predated the collection of DNA have been obligated to supply DNA for their current file. If not, perhaps the LEO's are using this arrest as an opportunity to get samples from these individuals.
    If they did find DNA on any of the tested items, maybe they are trying to find a match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexLouise44 View Post
    This case makes me feel like I'm following the Holly Bobo case I hope LE has many more leads.
    Agree and we've reached a point where there's nothing new and all we can do is go over (and over) the few things we know in a case... I remember in Holly's case we began to go off into things like:
    human trafficking
    taken by a para-military group
    taken by a person living minimal lifestyle in the woods
    she was PG and ran away
    she left with a BF that parents didn't approve of

    As for Sierra, after reading her tumblr posts, and seeing how family appears outwardly strong, and that we know so little about her circle of friends and goings-on prior to her disappearing - It would NOT surprise me if she took off with someone older to runaway. It's the way the Juicy bag seems so staged..
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    In Holly's case, they had an eye witness and LE arrived within x10 min. of the crime. They confirmed nothing. That case made no sense at all. They even had Holly's blood. They very likely had DNA/evidence from perp too if the perp was there for at least 20 min.

    Barney Fife could have solved that one.

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    I'd like to know how often Sierra rode the bus. Didn't she ever get a ride from RG to the bus stop or to school? He doesn't have to punch a clock for work...so I would think he would give her a lift now and then. I assume they don't want to let any of that out for fear of speculation.

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    If I were the owner of that property and had a business running there, I certainly would have cameras on the storage and the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    I'd like to know how often Sierra rode the bus. Didn't she ever get a ride from RG to the bus stop or to school? He doesn't have to punch a clock for work...so I would think he would give her a lift now and then. I assume they don't want to let any of that out for fear of speculation.
    No one is saying and I would think if everyone is cleared, would it not be easy to get all of this rather simplified info? Sharon Rocha had lots of info about Laci....what time she called, what she said on that call, when she last saw her....it seemed we had so many people saying when they last saw Laci, what she was wearing....at the hair salon....and these family members who gave out info were cleared too...it seems like nothing's being said really here, perhaps LE specifically asked them not to divulge any info than what's out there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda19 View Post
    If perp got in house there should be sign of forced entry?.......
    not if Sierra knows the perp and let him in.. Or the perp for some reason has access to the house on a regular basis..

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    Ok two things...

    Berry made a comment that a neighbour knows things she can't actually say that means the immediate family have nothing to do with it (not accusing anyone mods I promise). Now IF the family have irrifutable proof that they are in the clear yet it hasn't been released (and if I was immediate family I would want it to judging by the convictions on other sites so people would stop the focus on the family) it could be something relating to the case right? I wonder what that could be??? It's driving me moderately crazy at this stage.

    Now just throwing this out there as a somewhat far fetched possibility. Sierra is gorgeous and big into clothes and make up. Say she was approached by a 'model scout' who would collect her at a certain time from the end of her driveway... free portfolio shots... confidentiality etc... bring A CHANGE OF CLOTHES... or wear something fancy and bring the clothes Mom THINKS she's wearing to school in a bag to leave somewhere so she can change later after a drop off... she supposedly wore her red shoes every Friday but didn't this Friday and didn't bring her charger... and even maaaaaybe he tossed her phone on the pretense of giving her a new better smart phone as she's hitting the big time now... she may go along with it no? Very far fetched granted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSteve View Post
    Agree and we've reached a point where there's nothing new and all we can do is go over (and over) the few things we know in a case... I remember in Holly's case we began to go off into things like:
    human trafficking
    taken by a para-military group
    taken by a person living minimal lifestyle in the woods
    she was PG and ran away
    she left with a BF that parents didn't approve of

    As for Sierra, after reading her tumblr posts, and seeing how family appears outwardly strong, and that we know so little about her circle of friends and goings-on prior to her disappearing - It would NOT surprise me if she took off with someone older to runaway. It's the way the Juicy bag seems so staged..
    I also don't think her leaving her inhaler means anything at all. It's probably very easy to buy on the black market, or if she ran off with someone, they could have inhalers or a family member. If you rarely use it, its easy to build up a stockpile of un-used ones. So that shouldn't mean anything really. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTribley View Post
    No one is saying and I would think if everyone is cleared, would it not be easy to get all of this rather simplified info? Sharon Rocha had lots of info about Laci....what time she called, what she said on that call, when she last saw her....it seemed we had so many people saying when they last saw Laci, what she was wearing....at the hair salon....and these family members who gave out info were cleared too...it seems like nothing's being said really here, perhaps LE specifically asked them not to divulge any info than what's out there?

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    If I were Marlene and Rick and Steve, I wouldn't be giving out much detail either. If I were the parent of a teen girl in that town, I certainly would not say anything and I would never, ever give permission for my kid to be in the media.

    Why? Because until LE comes up with anything more specific, it looks like there is a predator out there with knowledge of the area who has successfully evaded detection for 7 weeks.

    I wouldn't want to do anything that might call the perp's attention to my teen or early 20s daughter.

    Also, it's pretty standard for LE to ask witnesses not to talk to the media. LE doesn't want to take the chance that a witness will say something in the media that will tend to impeach them in court. Even a tiny, innocent change of wording can be used to impeach a witness. Like the difference between a dark coloured car and a black car.

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    New here, I apologize if someone mentioned this before. I tried to read all the posts, but I might have missed something.
    Regarding whether she was attacked in the home or outside, it would be useful to know if Marlene (guessing she was the 1st one to go back home) found the door locked.
    I find it hard to believe that a perp would take the time to lock the door and such, while dragging a person out of the home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxymona View Post
    Ok two things...


    .... she supposedly wore her red shoes every Friday but didn't this Friday and didn't bring her charger... and even maaaaaybe he tossed her phone on the pretense of giving her a new better smart phone as she's hitting the big time now... she may go along with it no? Very far fetched granted...
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    I posted earlier that from posts her friends tweeted indicated SL had a uniform she wore on Fridays. Looking at it further, IMO, I believe these "friends" were from Fremont and this may have been a Fremont "uniform" .. not necessarily one she wore at Morgan Hill. MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    In Holly's case, they had an eye witness and LE arrived within x10 min. of the crime. They confirmed nothing. That case made no sense at all. They even had Holly's blood. They very likely had DNA/evidence from perp too if the perp was there for at least 20 min.

    Barney Fife could have solved that one.
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