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    Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #4

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    I checked with a mod and this is ok to post

    http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/0...#comment-25169

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    Oh my.......I wonder if it's possible he saw the swap!!!!! .....and they are waiting for the evidence to prove that what the man saw was right. He reported it too police.....In the morning Baden Clay reports Allison missing.....Police put that call of the man and this call together and think...."HECK"......and thus the search so quickly.
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    What i would like to know is how the person on that other site knows so much more than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicat View Post
    I checked with a mod and this is ok to post

    http://aussiecriminals.com.au/2012/0...#comment-25169
    Other than the close suspect not attending the funeral, I bet he got the info about the hairdressers from Brookies post on this site. LOL

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    That's very true lol. But i'm trying to work out how he seems to be the only one that knows anything. I haven't even seen anything where the police have confirmed a suspect. And as for the suspect not being allowed to go to the funeral i wonder where he got all his information from (before anyone else) possibly including family not being informed first

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    Quote Originally Posted by angel1 View Post
    That's very true lol. But i'm trying to work out how he seems to be the only one that knows anything. I haven't even seen anything where the police have confirmed a suspect. And as for the suspect not being allowed to go to the funeral i wonder where he got all his information from (before anyone else) possibly including family not being informed first
    I haven't seen it either Angel! BTW If someone can point me in the direction of the "female ex-colleague" - via PM of course - I would appreciate it. I promise not to disclose any names

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    Quote Originally Posted by angel1 View Post
    That's very true lol. But i'm trying to work out how he seems to be the only one that knows anything. I haven't even seen anything where the police have confirmed a suspect. And as for the suspect not being allowed to go to the funeral i wonder where he got all his information from (before anyone else) possibly including family not being informed first
    Maybe he is just thinking the "suspect" will be in cuffs by then and of course not allowed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaes View Post
    I haven't seen it either Angel! BTW If someone can point me in the direction of the "female ex-colleague" - via PM of course - I would appreciate it. I promise not to disclose any names
    Sorry i can't help you with that one as i didn't see where the name was mentioned even though it was on here

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    Quote Originally Posted by angel1 View Post
    What i would like to know is how the person on that other site knows so much more than anyone else.
    There's a very simple explanation for that. He doesn't. And now this forum is dragging in quotes from 'experts' who don't have a clue about what actually happened. Have you read the guy's profile, and plea for money to support a site (that must cost 5 bucks a month to run)? What about that site says anything other than "too much time on my hands"?

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    Now this discussion has moved onto it's 4th thread, and at each changeover the theories seem to grow in strangeness, or get completly disonnected from past facts, I'm going to call it quits.

    Some of the ideas being mentioned seem to be like "Dennis The Menace Does CSI" and now we're linking to a 'criminal blog' run by someone with no credentials whatsoever as a 'source', I can see the forum going down even darker alleys.

    People incorrectly name the alleged mistress, risking destroying an innocent person's career, and others keep asking who she is - when she isn't even relevant to the murder investigation. If it looks and quacks like a duck, that's what it is - inexcusable petty gossip.

    RIP Allison. Very sad. I'm sure you didn't want to be remembered like this.

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    [LOL this thread is impossible to keep up with! I've been reading through and replying to new stuff for hours and it's still pages ahead of me. So apologies if I repeat/reply to something that's already been addressed.]

    >>Possumheart wrote (re possible hospitalisation in prev thread)
    >>Info is here: http://www.australianmissingpersonsr...Baden-Clay.htm

    Thanks a lot for that Possumheart

    So going to the original source from there
    (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226336841867)

    says:
    THE husband of missing Brookfield woman Allison Baden-Clay is recovering from a car accident which occurred just two days after his wife was reported missing.
    Gerard Baden-Clay was taken to Royal Brisbane Hospital after crashing his car outside Indooroopilly Shopping Centre, in Brisbane’s west on Sunday afternoon.
    Mr Baden-Clay suffered very minor injuries after crashing into the bus terminal at Indooroopilly Shopping Centre.
    It’s understood he was wearing a seatbelt when the single vehicle accident occurred on the corner of Musgrave and Station roads.
    His injuries are unknown and he has since left hospital.
    Inspector Mark Laing confirmed Mr Baden-Clay did have a traffic accident and had been taken to hospital.

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    and SMH says:

    "Mr Baden-Clay was involved in a single-vehicle accident two days after his wife disappeared. Asked about the accident, which resulted in a brief trip to hospital, Mr Baden-Clay answered a Channel Nine reporter almost bashfully.

    ''I was hurt a little bit, but I'm OK,'' he said, dipping his head ever so slightly.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/frien...#ixzz1u6Ls8vc7
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    The same story is repeated on numerous news sites.

    There's only one ref for "Mr Baden-Clay is in hospital after reportedly suffering a breakdown." as a single isolated line in one news.com.au article (http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/0/fi1172405.htm) without any other detail, so I think I"ll just put that down to sloppy reporting in the absence of any other evidence. (and actually that page doesn't seem to be linked to the paper itself)

    Can't find anything stating he stayed in hospital overnight - "brief trip to hospital" after a minor car crash would commonly be a matter of examination for any significant injuries if someone was reporting pain after the crash. (checking for broken ribs, cracked sternum, neck injury, etc depending where the pain was being reported.)

    So I think the psych story is just rumour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post
    So I think the psych story is just rumour.
    I agree completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyboredom View Post
    Now this discussion has moved onto it's 4th thread, and at each changeover the theories seem to grow in strangeness, or get completly disonnected from past facts, I'm going to call it quits.

    Some of the ideas being mentioned seem to be like "Dennis The Menace Does CSI" and now we're linking to a 'criminal blog' run by someone with no credentials whatsoever as a 'source', I can see the forum going down even darker alleys.

    People incorrectly name the alleged mistress, risking destroying an innocent person's career, and others keep asking who she is - when she isn't even relevant to the murder investigation. If it looks and quacks like a duck, that's what it is - inexcusable petty gossip.

    RIP Allison. Very sad. I'm sure you didn't want to be remembered like this.
    Are you saying the former colleague and the alleged mistress are one and the same?

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    Neuromantic:
    Aha! I see it must have been embellished. I still see a grain of truth in the embellishment perhaps though.
    I am having much trouble with my phone so sorry
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    If nothing else I am learning about dodgy journalism : )

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    Maybe - what you describe is possilbe but a couple of things I'd think unlikely is the physicality from her unless she was actually fighting for her life. Although it hasnt been verified, a couple of people early on said he had scratches and large bruises to his chest and that one of the bruises was like he had been kicked in the chest. As I said this isnt verified but the profile of Allison doesnt sound like she would retaliate if he was being rough with her. it's not impossilbe though.
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    Allison was a ballerina (5 years in Qld Youth Ballet).

    If her life was threatened she would have kicked like a mule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post
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    Originally Posted by itsthevibe
    Maybe - what you describe is possilbe but a couple of things I'd think unlikely is the physicality from her unless she was actually fighting for her life. Although it hasnt been verified, a couple of people early on said he had scratches and large bruises to his chest and that one of the bruises was like he had been kicked in the chest. As I said this isnt verified but the profile of Allison doesnt sound like she would retaliate if he was being rough with her. it's not impossilbe though.
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    Allison was a ballerina (5 years in Qld Youth Ballet).

    If her life was threatened she would have kicked like a mule.
    My comments there were in response to someone who had suggested they had an argument and Allison got angry and scrached and kicked him, then he went out or something, or Allison went out and got attacked and killed by someone else. I was saying i dont think she would have kicked and scratched in even a very raging argument, but I totally agree if she was fighting for her life she would have. she loved life from what I have read and she had three beautiful children and wonderful parents and friends - a lot to live for.

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    I hope that those who are getting frustrated with the forum and thinking of leaving will come back and make their usual quality contributions. The week coming up could be pretty significant with forensics due and I do think it is time to lift the tone to really show how we can all have some really strong, top-notch discussions.

    I know it must be hard for newbies only joining in in the last 2 threads but in the first thread we really sorted out a lot of things, and I can see it gets frustrating for some of those here from the beginning to have to remind everyone that certain things have already been established. I know it is quite time-consuming but reading the first thread is very helpful. (although its not perfect either!)

    I think it takes a lot of discipline to be on here and stick to the rules, focus more on facts, but also allow other information to come in that is credible, and than discuss and speculate without going off-track or resorting to ideas with no basis in anything other than an imagination clutching at straws, or random thoughts. Especially as we have so little to gon, and so few official reports. But it can be done!

    Anyway i really hope some of our best contributors dont leave out of frustration.


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    If it is established in a court that the catalyst in this case was domestic violence, I really hope women take note and realise that it is not worth "staying together for the kids" or "appearances". No matter what, they need to get out of situations like that. If one woman's life can be saved because of the high profile of this case, then Allison would not have died in vain!

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    Check out the pupils in this image of gbc
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/g...6989408?page=1
    Then you can visit this drug awareness site for details about tell tale signs of drug use in eyes.
    http://www.community-awareness.org/L...ons.php?page=2
    I would suspect a possibility of Cocaine. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profplum View Post
    Check out the pupils in this image of gbc
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/g...6989408?page=1
    Then you can visit this drug awareness site for details about tell tale signs of drug use in eyes.
    http://www.community-awareness.org/L...ons.php?page=2
    I would suspect a possibility of Cocaine. IMO
    Well spotted Prof ! - at first I thought you were nuts, then really honed in on his eyes via my ipad, and I have to agree. Those pupils are mega.

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