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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
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    Does anyone know if TM had a young sounding voice, as in it had not changed yet? IMO, most male teens have passed that stage of puberty by the age of 17 but perhaps TM hadn't. I don't know. I just don't see how "sounds like the voice of a young male" is convincing evidence when the case involves a 17-year old and a 28-year old. I don't think pitch-wise that they'd sound much different, IOW they'd both sound like young men.

    So, is it safe to say that the only witness who is able to directly identify any vocalization is the witness who says that GZ was on the ground yelling for help and asking for someone to call 911?

    JMO, OMO, and
    JMO--I remember pretty distinctly that the "real" change in voice of DS and his buddies came during college. 17 yo high school kids don't have that sound. It was kinda amusing one holiday when he was home that suddenly they all started to sound like much more adult. I'm thinking that was when they were about 20-21. They were probably college juniors then.
    I believe in being a resolute voice for crime victims who can no longer speak for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    JMO--I remember pretty distinctly that the "real" change in voice of DS and his buddies came during college. 17 yo high school kids don't have that sound. It was kinda amusing one holiday when he was home that suddenly they all started to sound like much more adult. I'm thinking that was when they were about 20-21. They were probably college juniors then.
    My son and his friends voices changed around the age of 15. So I looked it up and the average age of full adult pitch is 15. And it is usually preceded by a growth spike. As TM was 17-years old and taller than average, I'm guessing his voice had already changed. He would not sound like a "little boy" unless he had an unusually high-pitched voice.

    source link:

    http://tweenparenting.about.com/od/p...ice-Change.htm

    Boys do experience voice change during puberty, and the change can happen anywhere between age 10 and 15. Typically, voice change begins somewhere around age 12 or 13.
    all my comments are just my opinion. jmho. moo. etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alecto View Post
    TM's mother has previously mentioned that TM's voice changed when he was fifteen:

    Fulton, remembers when Trayvon’s voice seemingly deepened overnight and the summer when he was 15 and sprouted two strands of hair on his chin.

    “He just wanted to, you know, mature and he wanted to be a man and he was almost there,” Fulton said.
    http://insidedateline.msnbc.msn.com/...ight-path?lite
    Thanks. I had not seen your comment before I posted my last one. When I was researching it, there was mention of the possibility of "overnight" changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
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    If this were the case you'd think he would've stated, on the phone with his girlfriend, that he saw the weapon. You'd also think that just because he thinks he lost sight of Mr. Zimmerman, he'd still be in a hurry to get home.

    Side Note: Not sure about other carriers, but my weapon is in its holster when I put the holster on. I do not remove my weapon from that holster unless I am cleaning it or using it. With that said, it seems silly that someone would get out of a vehicle THEN put the weapon in the holster.

    I never said he got out and put his gun in a holster. That is what you've said.

    I said I thought, and it's my opinion , George got out of his truck, and put his gun in the waistband of his pants with his unzipped jacket over it. Many people do just that to reach their weapon easier and more quickly if needed. Especially if they don't want the a###### to get away. He had to have that courage to stalk on foot, with no power and authority, a person that he profiled as guilty in only his own mind.

    Again it's my opinion, that when George re-appeared and confronted Trayvon that is was very likely he "showed" his gun and that is what started the struggle.

    I don't think, and it's my opinion, Trayvon had time to say anything more than "why are you following me" then George saying what are you doing here and Trayvon seeing the gun.

    It's my opinion and very likely Trayvon thought George was going for that gun and from that point on he was trying to get the gun to save his life.

    In my opinion, Trayvon had every reason to be alarmed and now he would of had even more reason to be scared.

    George may very well of been carrying it in his hand, but it's my opinion, Trayvon saw that gun and that is when he started fighting for his life. His stand your ground to save his life.

    Why did George have a weapon on him if not to intimidate or detain Trayvon. George lost control of a situation that he himself created.

    In my opinion, George killed a young boy because he's a bully. A self appointed gunslinger. A wanna be cop. I guess he wanted his "fellow" LE to pat him on the back for catching a bad guy.

    Why diss Trayvon for not hurrying back? He was doing nothing wrong. He was going home talking on the phone. He wasn't the aggressor. He wasn't the one up to no good.

    George was the one that got out of his truck armed, and it doesn't really matter if the gun was in a holster or up his butt. George screwed up. He needs to put on a pair and tell the truth and take his punishment.
    In the initial police report there is a link to the report in the media thread) Officer Timothy Smith, the first on scene states:
    "Located on the inside of Zimmerman's waist band, I removed a black Kel Tek 9mm PF9 semi auto handgun and holster."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    My son and his friends voices changed around the age of 15. So I looked it up and the average age of full adult pitch is 15. And it is usually preceded by a growth spike. As TM was 17-years old and taller than average, I'm guessing his voice had already changed. He would not sound like a "little boy" unless he had an unusually high-pitched voice.

    source link:

    http://tweenparenting.about.com/od/p...ice-Change.htm

    Boys do experience voice change during puberty, and the change can happen anywhere between age 10 and 15. Typically, voice change begins somewhere around age 12 or 13.
    Certainly it's possible to have an unusual child who's voice fully matures in a precocious manner.
    I read the about.com article. It is true that voice change BEGINS somewhere around 12 or 13.

    http://kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_he..._changing.html

    Nemours has a great explanation of the changes over time. They are a nationwide children's health system, this article was physican reviewed.

    On page 2 the article concludes with this quote: " Even after the quick change that happens in your teens, your voice continues to develop. Although the sqeaking and cracking stage doesn't last long, most guys' voices don't fully mature until they are in their 20's."


    My comment-the change to a fully mature voice that occurs in the 20's is exactly what I head in DS and his friends. They go from sounding like a kid to sounding like a man at that point.
    I believe in being a resolute voice for crime victims who can no longer speak for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages";7895127][QUOTE=AJ Noiter;7892282]If this were the case you'd think he would've stated, on the phone with his girlfriend, that he saw the weapon. You'd also think that just because he thinks he lost sight of Mr. Zimmerman, he'd still be in a hurry to get home.

    Side Note: Not sure about other carriers, but my weapon is in its holster when I put the holster on. I do not remove my weapon from that holster unless I am cleaning it or using it. With that said, it seems silly that someone would get out of a vehicle THEN put the weapon in the holster.[/Q


    I never said he got out and put his gun in a holster. That is what you've said.

    I said I thought, and it's my opinion , George got out of his truck, and put his gun in the waistband of his pants with his unzipped jacket over it. Many people do just that to reach their weapon easier and more quickly if needed. Especially if they don't want the a###### to get away. He had to have that courage to stalk on foot, with no power and authority, a person that he profiled as guilty in only his own mind.

    Again it's my opinion, that when George re-appeared and confronted Trayvon that is was very likely he "showed" his gun and that is what started the struggle.

    [B]I don't think, and it's my opinion, Trayvon had time to say anything more than "why are you following me" then George saying what are you doing here and Trayvon seeing the gun.

    It's my opinion and very likely Trayvon thought George was going for that gun and from that point on he was trying to get the gun to save his life.

    In my opinion, Trayvon had every reason to be alarmed and now he would of had even more reason to be scared.

    George may very well of been carrying it in his hand, but it's my opinion, Trayvon saw that gun and that is when he started fighting for his life. His stand your ground to save his life.

    [COLOR="Red
    Why did George have a weapon on him if not to intimidate or detain Trayvon. George lost control of a situation that he himself created.

    In my opinion, George killed a young boy because he's a bully. A self appointed gunslinger. A wanna be cop. I guess he wanted his "fellow" LE to pat him on the back for catching a bad guy.[/COLOR]

    Why diss Trayvon for not hurrying back? He was doing nothing wrong. He was going home talking on the phone. He wasn't the aggressor. He wasn't the one up to no good.

    George was the one that got out of his truck armed, and it doesn't really matter if the gun was in a holster or up his butt. George screwed up. He needs to put on a pair and tell the truth and take his punishment[/B].
    Great post...the BBM portions, hit GZ's mentality on the head..

    I believe he is a bully, has no boundries, is a control freak with impulse control problems. He's not all that he thinks he is, but his ego is stroked by the neighbors in his community and has the HOA backing...and his CWP is his courage...

    He's aggressive, he's a ne'er do well kind of guy. At his age, he should have his profession down already but he isn't successful in his attempts at employment or business ownership. He a loose cannon, this was his destiny he himself created..

    He can't make it in the professional world, so he uses the government to get him enrolled in college, taking those criminal justice courses..He wanted to be a judge or magistrate, after he couldn't be the cop he wanted to be...he's an opportunist who saw an opportunity to become the best thing that TWR has in it's midst..and he's had complaints lodged against him prior to taking TM's life...



    A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.

    At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.
    Why did they escort this gentleman out? Why didn't they take his complaint seriously...Now he's out of control....GZ that is...



    The meeting was attended by Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee, the detective assigned to the investigation and an unnamed member of the city council, according to the homeowner’s association newsletter. The chief couldn't immediately be reached for comment about the complaints. A member of the homeowner’s association board, who asked not to be quoted by name, said she “hadn’t heard about any complaints” about Zimmerman. Zimmerman's phone number is disconnected and efforts to reach him have been unsuccessful.
    Of course the HOA has to claim ignorance...they stand a chance of being sued just by enforcing GZ as the one to call if you've had a problem...they shouldn't have ignored the aggression factor that a neighbor has complained to SPD...


    Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.

    That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.

    In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.

    In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.

    Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.
    I believe something went haywire within GZ this year and from then on, he can't get it together..His propensity for violence, his aggressive nature I believe is his downfall...

    By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.

    At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

    In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

    One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.
    I believe this is his personal vendetta....and why GZ is where he's at today...



    On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

    "I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

    On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

    Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

    Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said.
    He is now in jail on parole violations.
    The alleged thief had already been caught, charged and convicted....but not when he first seen, he did elude capture at that time...


    Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

    "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

    The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

    This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

    "These *******s," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."


    After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

    Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.
    I believe someone should have dealt with GZ's propensity for violence way before this fatal incident. He appears to be passive aggressive, with control issues with a mentality to match. If his mind tells him someone is up to no good, on drugs or something, he will make sure they don't get away, this time and this time proved fatal for TM, who did nothing to warrant any suspicions other than what GZ's mind tells him..

    No one is addressing GZ's mentality, which I believe is the driving force behind his actions towards anyone he deems a criminal..it's all in his mindframe..

    Justice for Trayvon Martin
    “ It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man by argument. ”

    — William McAdoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin View Post
    Certainly it's possible to have an unusual child who's voice fully matures in a precocious manner.
    I read the about.com article. It is true that voice change BEGINS somewhere around 12 or 13.

    http://kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_he..._changing.html

    Nemours has a great explanation of the changes over time. They are a nationwide children's health system, this article was physican reviewed.

    On page 2 the article concludes with this quote: " Even after the quick change that happens in your teens, your voice continues to develop. Although the sqeaking and cracking stage doesn't last long, most guys' voices don't fully mature until they are in their 20's."


    My comment-the change to a fully mature voice that occurs in the 20's is exactly what I head in DS and his friends. They go from sounding like a kid to sounding like a man at that point.
    I guess that means GZ's voice hasn't fully matured either. And my comment that they would both sound like young men stands. Like a 28-year old, a 17-year old does not sound like a child or a boy who has not reached (stage 3) puberty.

    A young man's voice, on average, reaches full adult pitch by the age of 15.* (Apparently, TM's mother has stated that his voice had changed.) Both TM and GZ, even if their voices were not fully mature, would be in the full adult pitch range, not the child soprano range of a prepubescent boy.

    Yes, it is true that human voices change throughout life. Many singers voices "mature" in their 50s. (Sinatra comes to mind.) However, adult pitch is a vocal range reached during puberty. That adult voices continue to "mellow" throughout their lives does not change this fact.

    *Webster's Online Dictionary
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    Quote Originally Posted by TorisMom003 View Post
    COULD he have that mentality? Sure. Could he also have the mentality that he is above the law, that his word is golden and that whatever he believes is right for him trumps all others? Sure.

    I have seen the calls that he had placed before. I read the transcripts from the dispatchers and I can tell you that a good number of them were for open garage doors. No one breaking in, no one casing the joint, just open garage doors. There were also a couple of Zimmerman following a car, a motorcylce, and a guy on a bike. Zimmerman was in his vehicle at the time following and giving the dispatcher a play by play as to where the "suspect" was at the time.

    MOO
    I have reviewed those 911 calls now and I'm still going to say it was nothing out of the ordinary. The Neighborhood Watch Manual tells people to call in open doors/windows. The call where he was following a vehicle to the airport was back in 2004 and I'd need more information about the call. Kids playing in the street is an every hour occurrence (at least, it was for us), otherwise they mostly seemed like calling in people he thought to be suspicious, those who were breaking the HOA rules (ie: party near the clubhouse), or individuals he thought were not supposed to be in the gated community. One thing I did pay attention to was the priority of all the calls, and they were all priority 3 (non-emergency) except two. Those two were actual assaults that were in progress.

    Edit: One of the two assaults was on him (unless I'm misunderstanding), and judging by the information given, a police officer just rolled right by while the people were throwing things at his vehicle with him inside it, without even stopping to say "How ya doin?"
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    The voice screaming was of a higher pitch. I myself along with the Professionals that analzyed the screams agree it's Trayvon. I think anyone's voice would change to a higher pitch when screaming for their life. It does seem like young Black Males sometimes have higher pitched voices. Michael Jackson for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnn View Post
    [JMO
    The voice screaming was of a higher pitch. I myself along with the Professionals that analzyed the screams agree it's Trayvon. I think anyone's voice would change to a higher pitch when screaming for their life. It does seem like young Black Males sometimes have higher pitched voices. Michael Jackson for example.
    And sometimes they don't

    ~ Barry White and Frankie Valli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmady View Post
    And sometimes they don't

    ~ Barry White and Frankie Valli
    Frankie Valli isn't black and Barry White isn't young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmady View Post
    And sometimes they don't

    ~ Barry White and Frankie Valli
    I don't think Frankie Valli is a black male.JMHO
    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

    JUSTICE HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND HIDDEN IN THE LAW

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnn View Post
    Frankie Valli isn't black and Barry White isn't young.
    BBM...Correct and Barry White is NOW deceased..
    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

    JUSTICE HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND HIDDEN IN THE LAW

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnn View Post
    Frankie Valli isn't black and Barry White isn't young.
    I think the point is that Valli isn't black and yet he had a high-pitched singing voice when he was young.

    IMO, race has very little to do with a person's vocal range. I've never associated high-pitched voices with a particular race.
    all my comments are just my opinion. jmho. moo. etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    I don't think Frankie Valli is a black male.JMHO
    I thought it was obvious that I was comparing a black person with an extremely deep voice to a white person with an extremely high voice.

    No matter, my point is just that saying some or any single person of any race "sometimes" has any particular trait is the same as saying, "and sometimes they don't."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnn View Post
    [JMO
    The voice screaming was of a higher pitch. I myself along with the Professionals that analzyed the screams agree it's Trayvon. I think anyone's voice would change to a higher pitch when screaming for their life. It does seem like young Black Males sometimes have higher pitched voices. Michael Jackson for example.
    BBM.

    What professionals? How can anyone say it's TM without a baseline to compare to? Especially given the poor quality of the audio.

    Yes. Black males sometimes have high pitched voices, just as Hispanic males sometimes have high pitched voices. IMO, this is an individual, not a racial, trait.

    JMO, OMO, and
    all my comments are just my opinion. jmho. moo. etc. etc.

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    I'm looking forward to hearing Zimmerman's recreated recorded screams for help the following day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by who View Post
    I'm looking forward to hearing Zimmerman's recreated recorded screams for help the following day.
    Is there anything (msm) to confirm that this recording took place the next day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elley Mae View Post
    Is there anything (msm) to confirm that this recording took place the next day?
    It was the police that took the sample, in their initial investigation.

    Here (April 19):


    The source familiar with the case said that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators had Zimmerman lie on his back in another location in an effort to recreate the position he said he had been in during the shooting. Then, the source said, investigators recorded Zimmerman as he shouted what had been heard on the 911 calls: cries such as, “Help me!”

    [Aram Roston is a senior correspondent at Newsweek and The Daily Beast, based in Washington, D.C]
    New Account: Zimmerman Told Cops Trayvon <-well worth the full read.

    Now true, this is an anonymous LEO source "familiar with Zimmerman's account" - but the fact he was one of the first to note the smothering, and it was confirmed later at the bond hearing that it *was* part of Zimmerman's account, to me, gives credence to this LEO source.

    (A side note: that source also said Zimmerman was so paralyzed with fear, he initially "forgot he had a gun." Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Who forgets they have a gun?? Give me a break.)

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    A singing voice and a screaming from terror voice is two different things. Barry White might have screamed like a pee-wee herman if he was scared bad enough.
    If there's hink....there must be stink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    A singing voice and a screaming from terror voice is two different things. Barry White might have screamed like a pee-wee herman if he was scared bad enough.
    Hey, I'm not the one who picked Michael Jackson as evidence that Trayvon was a soprano!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    BBM.

    What professionals? How can anyone say it's TM without a baseline to compare to? Especially given the poor quality of the audio.

    Yes. Black males sometimes have high pitched voices, just as Hispanic males sometimes have high pitched voices. IMO, this is an individual, not a racial, trait.

    JMO, OMO, and
    Trayvon Martin Shooting: Voice Experts Claim Cries Heard On 911 Call Were Not George Zimmerman's
    Posted: 03/31/2012 11:20 pm Updated: 04/ 2/2012 8:43 am

    Before George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin on February 26, a 911 call recorded the voice of someone screaming. Whether that person was Martin or Zimmerman -- who police say claimed he was attacked by Martin before the fatal incident -- has been an open question since the calls were released by the Sanford, Florida police department. (WARNING: Above audio is disturbing.)

    The Orlando Sentinel consulted two voice experts to try to settle the debate, and both came to the same conclusion: The cries could not have come from George Zimmerman.

    One expert, Tom Owen, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman as the source. From the Sentinel:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by gxm View Post
    BBM.

    What professionals? How can anyone say it's TM without a baseline to compare to? Especially given the poor quality of the audio.

    Yes. Black males sometimes have high pitched voices, just as Hispanic males sometimes have high pitched voices. IMO, this is an individual, not a racial, trait.

    JMO, OMO, and
    I'm sure Trayvon's Family has recordings of Trayvon for voice analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnn View Post
    Trayvon Martin Shooting: Voice Experts Claim Cries Heard On 911 Call Were Not George Zimmerman's
    Posted: 03/31/2012 11:20 pm Updated: 04/ 2/2012 8:43 am

    Before George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin on February 26, a 911 call recorded the voice of someone screaming. Whether that person was Martin or Zimmerman -- who police say claimed he was attacked by Martin before the fatal incident -- has been an open question since the calls were released by the Sanford, Florida police department. (WARNING: Above audio is disturbing.)

    The Orlando Sentinel consulted two voice experts to try to settle the debate, and both came to the same conclusion: The cries could not have come from George Zimmerman.

    One expert, Tom Owen, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman as the source. From the Sentinel:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

    Mr. Owen did not state that they were Mr. Martin's, which is what your initial post stated. Also, in this thread there is sufficient proof to say that Mr. Owen should never had made a claim regarding the screams. His own words on his website state as much, and the software he used states he wouldn't have had much luck also.
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
    “In all debates, let truth be thy aim, not victory, or an unjust interest.” - William Penn

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    Isn't Mr. Owen the same guy that said GZ said "punks"?
    If there's hink....there must be stink.

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