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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Fries View Post
    Here Whisperer...

    The unattached garage in the pic I posted above has been built since Holly disappeared. It may house her car and probably has something to do with Dana's work too, since in the recent videos you can see large trucks parked behind the house also which obviously have something to do with his work.

    Yes, Holly's car was a Mustang:



    Here is the view into the garage from the back door area (from AMW). There is an opening Clint could see into from the back door:



    And here is where you can see where Clint saw them walking into the woods from his vantage point looking out the back door:

    My opinions only, no facts here:

    This case screams out- local yokel. I respect and do not necessarily disagree with even the most provocative posts of the past several days. There are many potential players in this case and some of the names can only be gleaned by visiting other sites. Websleuths is ultimately the best crime-solving website because it has sensible oversight. But to get the complete flavor of this case you will need to review postings at some of the more anarchistic competing websites.

    I somehow doubt that police investigated inside of Holly's home on the day she disappeared. I say this only for the reasons that such a search has never been confirmed by a family member OR law enforcement, to this day. Correct me if I am wrong about this detail.

    There has been no official confirmation if ANYONE in Tennessee, who could realistically be related to this case, has taken a polygraph. Again, correct me if I am wrong about this statement.

    I have identified multiple motives for the Holly Bobo case that would not be allowed on Websleuths. I have some areas to look, and these have been previously posted by me at this site. Since day one, I have been troubled by the potential number of wood-chipper machines in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Fries View Post
    No need to be stunned, the info you responded to was incorrect. Here is a still from that video which shows Karen pointing to where Holly's car was parked:



    Her car was parked in the carport attached to the house.

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    Am I missing something? This video seems to make it very clear that Holly's car was parked in the detached garage to which she is pointing. The attached garage, with doors closed, is behind her when she is pointing out to where Holly's car was that day! The video also has a quick but good shot of the back door Clint was looking out when he saw her walk into the woods. There is also good perspective for the distance from the back door to the spot where she entered the woods. If you stop the video at 38 and 40 seconds, you can see some of this detail.

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    I am interested in the subject of possible text conversations, which has not been brought up much in Holly's case.

    911 calls contain recorded dialogue, so of course it would be helpful to hear them. But txt messaging is 'recorded' as well as many other forms of cell communication. E911 jumps to mind immediately, as well as all of the other services providers have available for their customers such as email, internet, GPS etc. Often a treasure trove in locating missing persons, and something that should be discussed imvho.

    An E911 is almost as good as an EPIRB. Heck, it IS an EPIRB, essentially. Does this mean that Holly made no calls from her cell after...what point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oriah View Post
    I am interested in the subject of possible text conversations, which has not been brought up much in Holly's case.

    911 calls contain recorded dialogue, so of course it would be helpful to hear them. But txt messaging is 'recorded' as well as many other forms of cell communication. E911 jumps to mind immediately, as well as all of the other services providers have available for their customers such as email, internet, GPS etc. Often a treasure trove in locating missing persons, and something that should be discussed imvho.

    An E911 is almost as good as an EPIRB. Heck, it IS an EPIRB, essentially. Does this mean that Holly made no calls from her cell after...what point?
    There's never been any mention of text messages as far as I know. We know Clint tried calling her on her cellphone that morning and according to him, it rang 5 times and went to voicemail.

    That is the alleged last call. We don't know if Karen or anyone else tried calling her phone as well. One would assume family and friends tried as well but that was never revealed.

    FWIW....it was never officially confirmed by LE that her cellphone was found and I don't believe her family confirmed it either. The only official item that was told to the public was the lunchbag or lunchbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    There's never been any mention of text messages as far as I know. We know Clint tried calling her on her cellphone that morning and according to him, it rang 5 times and went to voicemail.

    That is the alleged last call. We don't know if Karen or anyone else tried calling her phone as well. One would assume family and friends tried as well but that was never revealed.

    FWIW....it was never officially confirmed by LE that her cellphone was found and I don't believe her family confirmed it either. The only official item that was told to the public was the lunchbag or lunchbox.
    Yes.
    I have always found that interesting, considering the usage of text messaging these days. Especially in environments where folks are often requested to turn off their phones or turn to vibrate, etc.. such as schools, during exams, libraries, public places, while driving- that sort of thing. Especially considering that in Holly's case there are a lot of teens/young adults communicating with one another, who tend to use txt messaging often.

    I've been somewhat amazed that since Holly was abducted, no one has spoken up and said "I got a text from so-and-so".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    This case screams out- local yokel. I respect and do not necessarily disagree with even the most provocative posts of the past several days. There are many potential players in this case and some of the names can only be gleaned by visiting other sites. Websleuths is ultimately the best crime-solving website because it has sensible oversight. But to get the complete flavor of this case you will need to review postings at some of the more anarchistic competing websites.

    I somehow doubt that police investigated inside of Holly's home on the day she disappeared. I say this only for the reasons that such a search has never been confirmed by a family member OR law enforcement, to this day. Correct me if I am wrong about this detail.

    There has been no official confirmation if ANYONE in Tennessee, who could realistically be related to this case, has taken a polygraph. Again, correct me if I am wrong about this statement.

    I have identified multiple motives for the Holly Bobo case that would not be allowed on Websleuths. I have some areas to look, and these have been previously posted by me at this site. Since day one, I have been troubled by the potential number of wood-chipper machines in the area.
    I agree with you 100%. You have to pick thru other places for little bits here and there. I posted something last night that looking back I probably shouldn't have, but it was read at several places and at far enough times apart that I didn't believe it was someone going from site to site posting the same thing. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle View Post
    To me the rumor makes zero sense...

    Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction.

    And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc.
    Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO.
    Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.
    Carla L, IMO, An argument gone bad...and her body would prove it was NO accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    According to the KISS theory..one could assume, DS got there and was angry, they got into an argument and things went downhill from there.
    The family cannot accept that DS would harm Holly and have made the pieces fit a stranger.
    That is the stripped down version and frankly makes more sense than any other.
    Whisperer, Simple is generally correct.
    I agree with everyone that has knowedge of hunting turkey.
    You would get in the woods in the dark early morning, around 5:00 AM.
    Not at 7:00 am and Not at 7:30 am....How long a drive was it from grandmothers property to the B.'s???or to where he worked??

    My question has always been: where was he when he made all those calls??...possibly in his vehicle...in route, in their driveway or where??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almondjoy View Post
    Am I missing something? This video seems to make it very clear that Holly's car was parked in the detached garage to which she is pointing. The attached garage, with doors closed, is behind her when she is pointing out to where Holly's car was that day! The video also has a quick but good shot of the back door Clint was looking out when he saw her walk into the woods. There is also good perspective for the distance from the back door to the spot where she entered the woods. If you stop the video at 38 and 40 seconds, you can see some of this detail.
    You are confused about your orientation. Karen is pointing to the carport that is attached to the house. If you look at the other picture I posted, of her farther away from the house showing where Holly entered the woods, you can use the pool to orient yourself. The pool is next to the house. Here is a pic that may help you:



    The attached carport that Karen is pointing to, where Holly's car was parked the day she went missing, is at the bottom right of the house in this picture.

    The garage you are talking about with the doors closed is detached.

    Here is a video with some good overhead shots that will also help with your orientation.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d345Bokc98&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d345Bokc98&feature=related[/ame]

    You can see the detached garage at about 2:08 of the video.
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    Also, I posted above that the detached garage was built since Holly went missing. I was WRONG about that, it was there last April.

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    IMO, EVERYONE should watch the video that Chili posted. It has some interesting visuals of the property and the how narrow those local roads are. The date of the video is April 17 (4 days after the kidnapping) and in the interview, Pat Brown summed it up quite well by saying the evidence doesn't match the story. It never has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterylover View Post
    Carla L, IMO, An argument gone bad...and her body would prove it was NO accident.
    with who?

    There is no credible (or any) evidence Holly had an argument with anyone.

    There is still the matter of the time frame which, for the most part, does NOT involve anything Clint has said. Neighbor heard screams around 7:30 and cops get there around 8 based on independent 911 calls from Holly's mom and the neighbor.

    How these unknown suspects with no planning could cover up any and all evidence of this "accidental death that wasn't an accident" makes no sense to me. And this theory totally discounts other statements and findings from LE that confirm an abduction (like the sheriff saying they had found the location where HOLLY AND THE SUSPECT/THEY had entered the woods. We know other items and clues were found also, which supports the abduction story. We know there was a search and I think they found some item outside of Holly's school, which would not have happened if this were some other crime.

    Might as well been a killer unicorn or leprechaun, I suppose...
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    People still confuse the layout of the back of the house and the "garage" at this late date.

    Holly's car was parked behind the house, up under that roof area. There is a free standing "shed" type deal in the back yard NOT attached to the house, that has NOTHING to do with anything.

    Based on what Clint said on the JVM interview the blood was found at the back of the house, under the overhang in some proximity to the car. Descriptions by various news sources have been vague about it but Clint said he found the blood where Holly and the suspect were kneeling down "in the garage".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle View Post
    Might as well been a killer unicorn or leprechaun, I suppose...
    snip-snip bold

    Hey, those are my working theories!

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    Well please do not take this as being dramatic. I can't post it as it would have to be classified as rumor. It was apparently never reported to LE and was never in the media, so documenting can't be done. I'll just say there is rumored to be a family dynamic and history that needs to be explored IMO. I would really like to see it cleared up, but that would require some very close friends or family to speak up as they would have had to notice. After this long I don't see that happening. I agree what has been posted about a shooting is unlikely, but the original story doesn't seem much more likely. All we know is she is missing and there was a lunchbox found. Papers and other evidence were not reported as fact as far as I know. If she was bleeding and went into the woods I will never believe search dogs couldn't have tracked. If there were papers and other evidence in the woods then someone must have planted them there, because it's apparent to me that she didn't enter the woods. As far as that goes I doubt she would be carrying that stuff anyway. The abductor wanted to leave a trail? Doubtful. JMO of course.

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    If we are all still alive a decade or two from now...I fear this case will be just as mystifying and may gain fame only by being one of the weirdest missing persons cases ever...
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogzilla View Post
    IMO, EVERYONE should watch the video that Chili posted. It has some interesting visuals of the property and the how narrow those local roads are. The date of the video is April 17 (4 days after the kidnapping) and in the interview, Pat Brown summed it up quite well by saying the evidence doesn't match the story. It never has.
    Considering it allegedly took LE 10 minutes to get to the property would they have passed a vehicle if Holly was taken by vehicle? Would it be one road leading to their property?

    I've never heard of a case where the story was "amended" or "revised".....and that was the first time. It has been amended or revised at least 2 or 3 times since that video.

    This is the most bizarre case ever, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oriah View Post
    Yes.
    I have always found that interesting, considering the usage of text messaging these days. Especially in environments where folks are often requested to turn off their phones or turn to vibrate, etc.. such as schools, during exams, libraries, public places, while driving- that sort of thing. Especially considering that in Holly's case there are a lot of teens/young adults communicating with one another, who tend to use txt messaging often.

    I've been somewhat amazed that since Holly was abducted, no one has spoken up and said "I got a text from so-and-so".
    Right. Apparently, word got out and everyone already knew somehow. The school knew. Holly's best friend knew. Her teacher knew. They both cried in class when Holly didn't show up at 8 am for her exam.

    I guess there is no need for text messaging in Darden, TN.

    Ironic isn't it? Everyone knew about her disappearance immediately but over a year later nobody knows anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    If we are all still alive a decade or two from now...I fear this case will be just as mystifying and may gain fame only by being one of the weirdest missing persons cases ever...
    I remember when this case first broke, there were thousands of people out searching for Holly (and this is a rural area, so it had to be a big % of the population) and now there's nothing about the case, and there's been nothing for months.

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    I'm confused(quite possibly just misunderstanding, tho) so I wanted to have someone clarify my point of confusion/misunderstanding.. It's regarding the upthread discussion about the free standing, completely unattached building that's been referred to as a separate two stall garage/carport, as well as a shed or storage space.. My opinion was always that it was a 2 stall, 3 sides enclosed, with open front carport.. And to my knowledge it has always been present on the Bobo property, out back(as the attached image shows below).. ATLEAST it has been there prior to April 13, 2011 as is seen on multiple different listings such as property records, real estate sites such as zillow, google/bing maps, etc..

    So, is this what is being referred to upthread as having been built onto the Bobo property at some point after April 13, 2011?.. I believe it was chilie fries that mentioned a structure having been erected on the property at some point in this last year.. I am quite likely mistaken in my understanding it to have been this carport, free standing structure that's at the back of the property, that was referred to as newly built(within the last year).. But that's what I thought was being referred to..

    Anyone who can please correct me where it is I'm obviously confused or misunderstanding.... TIA..

    And what structure or building has been newly erected since Holly's abduction??

    Again thanks to whoever can clear this up for me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    I'm confused(quite possibly just misunderstanding, tho) so I wanted to have someone clarify my point of confusion/misunderstanding.. It's regarding the upthread discussion about the free standing, completely unattached building that's been referred to as a separate two stall garage/carport, as well as a shed or storage space.. My opinion was always that it was a 2 stall, 3 sides enclosed, with open front carport.. And to my knowledge it has always been present on the Bobo property, out back(as the attached image shows below).. ATLEAST it has been there prior to April 13, 2011 as is seen on multiple different listings such as property records, real estate sites such as zillow, google/bing maps, etc..

    So, is this what is being referred to upthread as having been built onto the Bobo property at some point after April 13, 2011?.. I believe it was chilie fries that mentioned a structure having been erected on the property at some point in this last year.. I am quite likely mistaken in my understanding it to have been this carport, free standing structure that's at the back of the property, that was referred to as newly built(within the last year).. But that's what I thought was being referred to..

    Anyone who can please correct me where it is I'm obviously confused or misunderstanding.... TIA..

    And what structure or building has been newly erected since Holly's abduction??

    Again thanks to whoever can clear this up for me..
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    I think Chili Fries, in a later post, said she was mistaken. That structure was there at the time of Holly's disappearance.

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    Chili clarified her post.

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    How in the world did Clint see them kneeling in the attached carport/garage? If both cars were there, that's a tight fit. How could he see them w/o being outside? If somebody was kneeling between two vehicles, that should have sent him out there pronto. Exactly where was Clint watching them, kneeling, sitting, etc. If true, this tells me his car was not in that garage as claimed.

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    Thanks I obviously should've kept reading instead of popping in and out.. thanks
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    This interview was conducted April 20,2011. Pat Brown, asks the same questions then..... that we are puzzling over to this day.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/ng.01.html

    PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Well, Deborah, you certainly can`t ignore something like that. I mean we see people repeat MOs, and if these MOs are similar, that`s going to go right up on the radar.*

    But what I think what everybody is having so much trouble with in these cases is all the evasiveness. The evasiveness from the family, the evasiveness from the brother, the evasiveness from the police. And we`re not getting answers. Things are just -- seem like we should be able to get answers to, like when was the 911 call made? Did the dogs find a trail into the woods?*

    I mean if her blood is out there spattered somewhere, and it`s her blood, which
    are not going to tell us either, why wouldn`t the dogs follow that trail to the woods?

    Then we also have the lunchbox problem. I mean if you have somebody dragging a women into the woods, why does her lunchbox which should be in her hand show up eight miles away? I don`t think she`s going to be clutching it
    for eight miles of walking the woods. It doesn`t even make sense.*

    NORVILLE: Do you think that`s a red herring that the guy has planted?

    BROWN: You know I think there`s a lot of things about this case that we don`t
    know. I don`t know if there`s a staged crime going on here. I don`t know -- we just don`t have the information so that we can put things together and make sense.

    But I think it`s extremely important for the family to come forth and be very open and the police as well because I think there`s some people out there searching and searching, wanting to find Holly, and they`re getting frustrated because they`re thinking, wait a minute, maybe we`re searching for no reason.*

    And I don`t think they want to think that way. I think they want to find Holly. I think they want to bring her home. I think they want to know if there`s a true abductor. So they can go out there and do their best. I think they need to just be a little bit more open and help everybody out here.

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