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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Or Oklahoma. But I'd take Oklahoma over Florida and especially over Tennessee.
    Seriously, I love Florida. I'd take it over most every state I've been in. I think the Florida bashing is uncalled for. Keep in mind that the Sunshine Laws make FL crimes much more transparent than other states. There are also pockets in FL that are bad but certainly not the whole state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Orlando View Post
    Seriously, I love Florida. I'd take it over most every state I've been in. I think the Florida bashing is uncalled for. Keep in mind that the Sunshine Laws make FL crimes much more transparent than other states. There are also pockets in FL that are bad but certainly not the whole state.
    I agree. There are unsolved cases in every state. There are missing children in every state. There are horrific murders in every state. Why people will judge an entire state by one or two high-profile cases is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    That is an amazing "catch", and the News sure did try to quickly slide that blurred-to-clear frame or 2 in there very quickly. They purposely tried to mislead us there. Maybe they did that only because they did not find a good picture of Clint with Holly, but that sure is strange, and I can't believe they even did that. There are other pictures of just Clint they could have used, so they did not have to mislead us. Very strange and very odd indeed.

    Along the lines of pictures, I have noticed there is an amazing number of different pictures with Holly + her BF together. They posed in many many pictures through multiple years it seems, so got to thinking about that. Which one of them wanted to take so many pictures together? Most guys do not like having their picture taken. They must have really felt like their relationship would be a very long lasting relationship for so many pictures to be taken together. Which makes me wonder about the rumored breakup. If the rumor of a breakup occurring 3 days prior has any merit, then it would have been very tramatic on the BF, just based on the number of pictures we see them together in. If that rumor is true, then it would have been absolutely devasting, and not a normal teen BF/GF breakup situation. If the rumor of a breakup is true, it would have been more like a divorce IMO. If we all think back to our early first loves, we can kind of remember just a glimmer of how devastating something like that could be. But when you add on the years of being together that it appears they were together, it amplifies that tremendously for 2 young people.

    Not sure if any of this matters, but it could povide some insight to what was going on at the time and how people felt.
    They did this a number of times in the media. Showed a picture of Drew and called him Clint.
    To understand what you are seeing in the video, you might want to trekk on over to Cranky Crankerson's photos of Holly's case and look for this picture of Holly, Drew and the dog.
    There you can see again, probably better because you can enlarge it to see what has been done to the photo there also. So if you liked it in the video, you're going to love the individual pic!

    What I found odd about the Drew/Holly pics was yeah the shear number of them, but more that she never took one of just Drew...ever that we have been shown.
    Most girls would want a pic of their bf to put by a nightstand.
    She only took a picture of him with herself in it.
    There is something to the psychology of that also.

    In the video interview done at their house in the closed in garageroom.
    There is a pic there also, I freeze on. It is of Karen, Clint and Holly on a balcony. This photo is left with the whole right side of it erased out inside the frame. You can see an intact version of this photo at Cranky's also.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SUNchips View Post
    Respectfully snipped.
    I still still nothing "blended" or changed in Drew's appearance in that picture, or any other for that matter. I remember this being discussed a while ago, but I have zoomed into that dog picture and others and do not see anything Photoshopped at all IMO. Probably the only photo to me that has ever seemed hinky was this one (I hope the link works)
    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q1-BRZGXafA/0.jpg
    Does anyone else think the top right corner of the photo looks weird? Like it has been Photoshopped out in a blue gray color. Just IMO.

    IMO the piano shrine was made that way after Holly's disappearance. I assume there were maybe 3-5 pictures up there before the disappearance, and for whatever reason they put all the other pictures of her up there too, as a remembrance to their missing child. Not weird to me at all.
    I think her arm looks weird somehow. But, it doesn't bother me like a lot of others do. Drew's height being changed in several for one thing.

    You might not think anything about the piano shrine, but then you aren't the son living with parents who did. The only time I really feel sorry for Clint is when I see something like that and get an insight to what life must be like for HIM now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    For the "news clip video" that was linked to, I had to stop it with the PAUSE button exactly at that 1:11 minute mark that Houndstooth indicates, and as I moved back 1 second and forward 1 second, the photo shifts from a very blurry picture to a real clear picture of "Drew" (not Clint), so to me, the part that bothered me the most, is why would the News try to claim that was Clint. Unless they just wanted a picture of with Holly in it too, and couldnt find a good one with Clint in it, so they used one of Drews. But jeeezzzz, to go that far, would seem a little ridiculous to me. The fact that it truly is blurred in one frame and clear in the next, does kind of make me believe they purposely knew it wasn't Clint and pulled a "fast one". LOL A really fast one, because that frame flies by so fast, you kind of miss the whole picture anyway. LOL

    For the picture you mention above, I think the top right corner could be maybe a gold fish pond or some other type of water behind her. If you look real close near her left ear, you can see where the rock path ends, and I am wondering if that is just a small pond of water there. Just a guess. But I do agree that corner of the photo jumps out as being different, but I am thinking it is some water possibly.
    It has bothered me A LOT, ever since I first came across some of those that were photoshopped, and then the media would have to KNOW they are also.
    I'd never come across this in a case before.

    When you get to Cranky's

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...obo%20%20-TN-/

    Just scroll through and examine the pics enlarged between 200%-400%,
    and just look at how much the pics have nearly one and all been photo edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    As most know a lot of us have been around from the start of Holly's "believed abduction" and have combed over the ever changing details of that morning in every single way imaginable.. Plugging in and editing out new or different details that we've been told over the course of the last year.. It is mind numbing after a while and while still holding hope that her case can be solved one day.. It's definitely not a case that after having followed and analyzed every detail by detail that you can daily rinse and repeat.. It truly could make one crazy simply for the fact that those most close to her.. Are the very ones that were witness and present yet to this day over a year later cannot relay the events of that morning with any consistency whatsoever.. It is more than baffling..

    Many know my hard questions I've asked and have thoroughly combed through those particulars I have such a problem with(many agree, some do not.. And that is all ok, too).. Those issues and questions remain and IMO may not ever be answered.. Just as Holly may not ever be brought home.. IMO its not gonna happen unless there is a definite change in the mode of the case.. Her case still has the "staying power" in the media.. She very easily could be right back in the center of media spotlight(and I think we all can agree that can only be a positive).. Her case can be revived and resolved as a result.. At this time I see no one interested in seeing this happen in fact there are ppl who want this to just all go Away and act as tho it never even happened.. Forget that Holly Bobo ever even existed.. That's just not an option and I so wish that there could be a revived movement to her case.. Most are of the opinion it's very unlikely to happen(and I'm one of them)..

    As far as anything new or different.. Naa.. Moo but the basic skeleton of the case has remained intact for me.. To put in a nutshell what I mean is the basics that are important to me without getting into the thousands of details that any who have been around know that there are literal hundreds of my extremely long winded posts where I have thoroughly broke down and discussed ALL OF THEM AND THEN SOME!!!.. Along with a minute by minute breakdown of the detailed timeline of that morning.. I will not bore you all with a repeat of all of that, but rather just put in a nutshell these basics that are present and remain no matter what version is given by what member of the family.. These basic issues remain..

    -Clint throughout the entire sequence of events that morning WAS IN NO WAY believing Holly to be in any danger, nor that there was ANYTHING SERIOUS OR WORRISOME taking place.. Clint stays in that very specific frame of mind.. Throughout his seeing kneeling figures, turkey or not, throughout phonecallS(plural) with mom(who we know was falling out in hysterics) Clint remained of the frame of mind that Holly was in NoDanger..his sisters pool of blood next to her car.. STILL NO ANGST AND CONCERN.. After his mother having told him otherwise CLINT STILL WATCHED HOLLY AND CAMO MAN WALK TOWARDS THE WOODS without so much as even a calling out to Holly from the door..NOTHING.. Even after mom told him it wasnt Drew.. Clint still BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW AND OF THE FRAME OF MIND THERE WAS ZERO DANGER..

    This frame of mind for Clint remained consistent throughout the entire events of the morning..

    - as I've thoroughly discussed Mom's frame of mind could have not been more opposite to Clint's in complete hysterics before anything was even "known".. Falling out in hysterics, crying out to Clint to get the gun and go after Holly.. Numerous 911 calls and setting in motion the emergency calls for all to come immediately to the Bobo residence..

    Her frame of mind could not be more opposite of Clint's.. It could not be more black to Clint's being bright white.. Truly polar opposites AND MOST IMPORTANT IMO IS THE FACT THAT NEITHER END OF THAT HUGE SPECTRUM THAT EACH WERE FIRMLY PLANTED AT.. Clint at ZERO ANXIETY/CONCERN.. All the way to the other end of the spectrum.. Mom at FULL BLOWN ANXIETY/HYSTERICS before ever even finding out that Holly had even walked "towards" their backyard treeline with a man her son said was Drew..

    Neither of each of their extremes on the spectrum are "normal".. Normal in a sense of standard human behavior.. Yes it's relative.. But I believe most will agree that neither of those two extreme, polar opposite frame of minds is really appropriate for what events were occurring..AS THEY WERE OCCURRING.. I wont drone on most know exactly what I mean and agree that the two extremes are far from what would match with the sequence of events that occurred..

    I'll leave it at that and only say that when looking at the details and sequence of events as WE ALL KNOW THEM TO HAVE OCCURRED PER CLINT MAINLY.. And know that Clint had zero worry, anxiety, or concern for or about Holly throughout it all including finding a pool of her blood next to her car.. Still no worry, concern.. Remember it was turkey blood he thought:eye roll: ..

    So of ALL the people.. And of ALL the things to say why in the hell would Clint have made the statement that HIS FRAME OF MIND WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING HOLLY BACK ANY TIME SOON??????????..

    Talk about not adding up??.. And there is no southern drawl or southern "way"(remember I am right here in Tennessee for the last 34years of my 36 years of life) or lack of education or intelligence to excuse the issue here(as is known to be thrown out as the excuses for Clint, specifically and especially).. Those do not apply here AT ALL..

    Until the truth is known about that April 13, 2011 morning at the Bobo residence IMPHO Holly doesn't stand a chance of being found and certainly not having justice served on her behalf!!


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    The official line is that on the morning of the abduction, Holly's mother knew that Holly's boyfriend was out hunting and far away, but Holly's brother did not know this detail. That could explain why the mother was immediately terrified and the brother was not.

    I have been away from Websleuths for awhile, because in the absence of new information, I decided to focus on where to look for Holly if this is indeed a homicide. I earlier favored an area about a mile north of Holly's house. I am now becoming equally interested in Bible Hill proper.

    On another tangent, I believe that at some point, the withholding of information from the public actually decreases the chances of solving a case. And the point at which this occurs is when witness memories begin to fade. For example, if investigators had the report of a vehicle of a certain model and color, it will do very little good to release that info 5 years from now. Frankly, I think it is already too late for a release of information, but strangely... this case is still solvable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    As most know a lot of us have been around from the start of Holly's "believed abduction" and have combed over the ever changing details of that morning in every single way imaginable.. Plugging in and editing out new or different details that we've been told over the course of the last year.. It is mind numbing after a while and while still holding hope that her case can be solved one day.. It's definitely not a case that after having followed and analyzed every detail by detail that you can daily rinse and repeat.. It truly could make one crazy simply for the fact that those most close to her.. Are the very ones that were witness and present yet to this day over a year later cannot relay the events of that morning with any consistency whatsoever.. It is more than baffling..

    Many know my hard questions I've asked and have thoroughly combed through those particulars I have such a problem with(many agree, some do not.. And that is all ok, too).. Those issues and questions remain and IMO may not ever be answered.. Just as Holly may not ever be brought home.. IMO its not gonna happen unless there is a definite change in the mode of the case.. Her case still has the "staying power" in the media.. She very easily could be right back in the center of media spotlight(and I think we all can agree that can only be a positive).. Her case can be revived and resolved as a result.. At this time I see no one interested in seeing this happen in fact there are ppl who want this to just all go Away and act as tho it never even happened.. Forget that Holly Bobo ever even existed.. That's just not an option and I so wish that there could be a revived movement to her case.. Most are of the opinion it's very unlikely to happen(and I'm one of them)..

    As far as anything new or different.. Naa.. Moo but the basic skeleton of the case has remained intact for me.. To put in a nutshell what I mean is the basics that are important to me without getting into the thousands of details that any who have been around know that there are literal hundreds of my extremely long winded posts where I have thoroughly broke down and discussed ALL OF THEM AND THEN SOME!!!.. Along with a minute by minute breakdown of the detailed timeline of that morning.. I will not bore you all with a repeat of all of that, but rather just put in a nutshell these basics that are present and remain no matter what version is given by what member of the family.. These basic issues remain..

    -Clint throughout the entire sequence of events that morning WAS IN NO WAY believing Holly to be in any danger, nor that there was ANYTHING SERIOUS OR WORRISOME taking place.. Clint stays in that very specific frame of mind.. Throughout his seeing kneeling figures, turkey or not, throughout phonecallS(plural) with mom(who we know was falling out in hysterics) Clint remained of the frame of mind that Holly was in NoDanger..his sisters pool of blood next to her car.. STILL NO ANGST AND CONCERN.. After his mother having told him otherwise CLINT STILL WATCHED HOLLY AND CAMO MAN WALK TOWARDS THE WOODS without so much as even a calling out to Holly from the door..NOTHING.. Even after mom told him it wasnt Drew.. Clint still BELIEVED IT TO BE DREW AND OF THE FRAME OF MIND THERE WAS ZERO DANGER..

    This frame of mind for Clint remained consistent throughout the entire events of the morning..

    - as I've thoroughly discussed Mom's frame of mind could have not been more opposite to Clint's in complete hysterics before anything was even "known".. Falling out in hysterics, crying out to Clint to get the gun and go after Holly.. Numerous 911 calls and setting in motion the emergency calls for all to come immediately to the Bobo residence..

    Her frame of mind could not be more opposite of Clint's.. It could not be more black to Clint's being bright white.. Truly polar opposites AND MOST IMPORTANT IMO IS THE FACT THAT NEITHER END OF THAT HUGE SPECTRUM THAT EACH WERE FIRMLY PLANTED AT.. Clint at ZERO ANXIETY/CONCERN.. All the way to the other end of the spectrum.. Mom at FULL BLOWN ANXIETY/HYSTERICS before ever even finding out that Holly had even walked "towards" their backyard treeline with a man her son said was Drew..

    Neither of each of their extremes on the spectrum are "normal".. Normal in a sense of standard human behavior.. Yes it's relative.. But I believe most will agree that neither of those two extreme, polar opposite frame of minds is really appropriate for what events were occurring..AS THEY WERE OCCURRING.. I wont drone on most know exactly what I mean and agree that the two extremes are far from what would match with the sequence of events that occurred..

    I'll leave it at that and only say that when looking at the details and sequence of events as WE ALL KNOW THEM TO HAVE OCCURRED PER CLINT MAINLY.. And know that Clint had zero worry, anxiety, or concern for or about Holly throughout it all including finding a pool of her blood next to her car.. Still no worry, concern.. Remember it was turkey blood he thought:eye roll: ..

    So of ALL the people.. And of ALL the things to say why in the hell would Clint have made the statement that HIS FRAME OF MIND WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING HOLLY BACK ANY TIME SOON??????????..

    Talk about not adding up??.. And there is no southern drawl or southern "way"(remember I am right here in Tennessee for the last 34years of my 36 years of life) or lack of education or intelligence to excuse the issue here(as is known to be thrown out as the excuses for Clint, specifically and especially).. Those do not apply here AT ALL..

    Until the truth is known about that April 13, 2011 morning at the Bobo residence IMPHO Holly doesn't stand a chance of being found and certainly not having justice served on her behalf!!


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    My opinions only, no facts here:

    The official line is that on the morning of the abduction, Holly's mother knew that Holly's boyfriend was out hunting and far away, but Holly's brother did not know this detail. That could explain why the mother was immediately terrified and the brother was not.

    I have been away from Websleuths for awhile, because in the absence of new information, I decided to focus on where to look for Holly if this is indeed a homicide. I earlier favored an area about a mile north of Holly's house. I am now becoming equally interested in Bible Hill proper.

    On another tangent, I believe that at some point, the withholding of information from the public actually decreases the chances of solving a case. And the point at which this occurs is when witness memories begin to fade. For example, if investigators had the report of a vehicle of a certain model and color, it will do very little good to release that info 5 years from now. Frankly, I think it is already too late for a release of information, but strangely... this case is still solvable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Orlando View Post
    Seriously, I love Florida. I'd take it over most every state I've been in. I think the Florida bashing is uncalled for. Keep in mind that the Sunshine Laws make FL crimes much more transparent than other states. There are also pockets in FL that are bad but certainly not the whole state.
    I already mentioned the Sunshine laws on the last page. I live in Florida and its a mess here. I can think of probably two dozen botched major crimes in the last couple of years. The Denise Amber Lee case being one of them, but essentially the same thing happened here in Tampa just a short while later.
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    I am trying to think of any case I've followed recently that went to trial and got a conviction.

    Either they ended unsatisfactorily with a plea bargain and no trial so that you never got answers.
    Or it went to trial and the person either acquitted or found guilty on lesser charges.
    Or arrested for an unrelated case and held in limboland.

    Or they remain a mystery unsolved to this day.

    Maybe I'm following the wrong cases if I want a sense of justice at the end and secrets revealed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    The official line is that on the morning of the abduction, Holly's mother knew that Holly's boyfriend was out hunting and far away, but Holly's brother did not know this detail. That could explain why the mother was immediately terrified and the brother was not.

    I have been away from Websleuths for awhile, because in the absence of new information, I decided to focus on where to look for Holly if this is indeed a homicide. I earlier favored an area about a mile north of Holly's house. I am now becoming equally interested in Bible Hill proper.

    On another tangent, I believe that at some point, the withholding of information from the public actually decreases the chances of solving a case. And the point at which this occurs is when witness memories begin to fade. For example, if investigators had the report of a vehicle of a certain model and color, it will do very little good to release that info 5 years from now. Frankly, I think it is already too late for a release of information, but strangely... this case is still solvable.
    Always enjoy reading your thoughts on cases, as well as your interesting style of expressing them! Glad to see you back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    The official line is that on the morning of the abduction, Holly's mother knew that Holly's boyfriend was out hunting and far away, but Holly's brother did not know this detail. That could explain why the mother was immediately terrified and the brother was not.

    I have been away from Websleuths for awhile, because in the absence of new information, I decided to focus on where to look for Holly if this is indeed a homicide. I earlier favored an area about a mile north of Holly's house. I am now becoming equally interested in Bible Hill proper.

    On another tangent, I believe that at some point, the withholding of information from the public actually decreases the chances of solving a case. And the point at which this occurs is when witness memories begin to fade. For example, if investigators had the report of a vehicle of a certain model and color, it will do very little good to release that info 5 years from now. Frankly, I think it is already too late for a release of information, but strangely... this case is still solvable.
    Good Post. Especially the part I bolded above, as I think at the very beginning when LE got there, that is exactly what they needed to do. Grab their guns and go in and get her, darn it. The whole...."wait on dogs, protect the investigation, keep people from trampling on tracks--this part from witness no less!!", is a bunch of crap because they got there literally minutes after it supposedly happened, so run in there and try to get her back, darn it.

    I just cringe when I hear ......"witholding info to protect the investigation"...........because until you get her back, nothing matters. Look at it this way......So what if you have enough info to prosecute someone......If she never comes back or is never found, what good is that?

    I've always said to find her first is the main priority, and to release all you know from the get go is very important to help find her. So, all this withholding of info and secrecy, and changing stories.......of course it makes one suspicious of things.

    Sorry, end rant.

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    I think at the very beginning there was too much confusion, too many cooks spoiling the broth as I think the old saying goes...
    Remember there was a interview where Karen said how she felt roadblocks should have set up right away, and how she felt too many were just mulling around and nothing was happening (I'm paraphrasing)...
    I really thought this case would be solved since LE was involved so early on, whereas many missing person cases go through a waiting period before LE goes into action... but, as I've mentioned on other threads I follow, thanks to all the CSI shows, some perps seem to be more savvy these days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSteve View Post
    I think at the very beginning there was too much confusion, too many cooks spoiling the broth as I think the old saying goes...
    Remember there was a interview where Karen said how she felt roadblocks should have set up right away, and how she felt too many were just mulling around and nothing was happening (I'm paraphrasing)...
    I really thought this case would be solved since LE was involved so early on, whereas many missing person cases go through a waiting period before LE goes into action... but, as I've mentioned on other threads I follow, thanks to all the CSI shows, some perps seem to be more savvy these days...
    Not to let the local law enforcement off the hook, but I think these type of failures by the first responders are in part due to the fact that these types of small towns and counties don't usually have experience dealing with these situations. Whether it's Boulder CO, Mitchell County/Colorado City TX, Parsons/Decatur County TN or wherever. The question is...what can be done about that? It would be nice to see more of these localities undergo training for these moments of serious criminal crisis but there are so many of these small, usually safe towns/rural counties all over the country and training has to be paid for and kept up to date. The problem is that you don't know when one of these type of crimes is going to randomly happen somewhere.

    Still, every locality large or small should be very alert to complacency and any erosion of professionalism in it's day to day operations. I know how that from my own line of work...I worked as an analytical chemist and geochemist for many years and it's easy to get complacent with your quality control procedures and documentation. That stuff is tedious and often seems redundant because it usually turns out the same, but you do it for the one time out of 100 when things are unusual, not the other 99 times when they are routine.

    And as for them releasing more info...maybe they really don't have any other than the blood, lunchbox and cell phone. I'm sure LE have their suspicions about local creeps, people who may have had friction with Holly or the Bobo family, maybe even people close to Holly like some here think or whoever. But maybe nothing solid so they can't going to come out in public and name a POI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Fries View Post
    Not to let the local law enforcement off the hook, but I think these type of failures by the first responders are in part due to the fact that these types of small towns and counties don't usually have experience dealing with these situations. Whether it's Boulder CO, Mitchell County/Colorado City TX, Parsons/Decatur County TN or wherever. The question is...what can be done about that? It would be nice to see more of these localities undergo training for these moments of serious criminal crisis but there are so many of these small, usually safe towns/rural counties all over the country and training has to be paid for and kept up to date. The problem is that you don't know when one of these type of crimes is going to randomly happen somewhere.

    Still, every locality large or small should be very alert to complacency and any erosion of professionalism in it's day to day operations. I know how that from my own line of work...I worked as an analytical chemist and geochemist for many years and it's easy to get complacent with your quality control procedures and documentation. That stuff is tedious and often seems redundant because it usually turns out the same, but you do it for the one time out of 100 when things are unusual, not the other 99 times when they are routine.

    And as for them releasing more info...maybe they really don't have any other than the blood, lunchbox and cell phone. I'm sure LE have their suspicions about local creeps, people who may have had friction with Holly or the Bobo family, maybe even people close to Holly like some here think or whoever. But maybe nothing solid so they can't going to come out in public and name a POI.
    Good points about the training, and I agree with all of that part. There should be enough money from Homeland Security for most places to have updated training on how to handle an abduction situation, I would think, because I had heard so much about how money was being given to LE departments from this type of fund. But whether each small town got money or not, that is a good question, and whether each town used it all for the same reasons, etc. They all probably have different needs, and maybe more dire needs like new police cars or something become important to them. But, anyway, I do agree they should have the training, as it is important.

    IMO, regarding releasing information, I don't recall LE releasing practically anything. It wasn't until the intereviews and the Jackson article where we started hearing some more details about some things, but this is quite different than LE giving a statement. Because people could be mistaken or had forgot some things or maybe even purposely left out some critical things. I would love to have LE confirm some things and release all the facts of this case, in some sort of media event, which could possibly help this case. If nothing else, it would help to bring more focus to the case, after a year already.

    Here's a hypothetical. Wouldn't it be something if it went something like this with LE speaking at an advance notice press conference.......

    "Hello ladies + gentleman.....We are here today to release all the facts of this case as we know it, with the hopes of helping to find Holly. And we will be taking questions afterwards.

    First, we will be releasing the actual 911 calls + Sheriffs calls we received that morning in their entirety (play tapes). Now, we want to begin with the reported statements as reported to us that morning, and we have provided a copy of those statements to the media. Next, we want to state all the evidence we have uncovered that are proven to be owned by Holly and exactly where they were found, and what day they were found. We searched them for fingerprints, and the results were....

    We also found small amounts of blood (explained in full exactly how much and where exactly it was found). We tested that blood and it proved to be (explains who it belongs to). We feel this blood was (either fresh or not fresh).

    We also......(explain anything + everything else you possibly can here).

    Thank you all for coming today, and please help us find Holly. Now, we are ready for ALL questions"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    After reading just this short thread (I have read since the beginning, but not stuck to it), I'm starting to see this case in a new light.

    First, we have Holly going into the woods with SOMEONE, as witnessed by her brother.

    Secondly, we have a near-hysterical mother who tells her son to "get the gun," or some such close words.

    Then we have a friend who bursts out crying because Holly does not show up for "THE" most important test.

    After that we hear the brother saying (paraphrase) "we might not be seeing Holly for a long while," or some such.

    Then we have her mom saying collected money will be used for a "vacation" for Holly when this is over - another paraphrase.

    After that there is a drug bust (shades of Haleigh Cummings), and an investigation.

    Now, MY theory, and MINE only, and this is just what I'm surmising - suppose Holly was a "plant" in a drug ring/operation? Suppose, bear with my idea for a minute, that mom knew about it, and that's why she was hysterical? Now, maybe brother didn't know all the details and was not so concerned, maybe he thought it was all part and parcel of her participation?

    I know this may sound far-fetched, but. . . let us not forget the pastor (involved with the Bobos???) who killed the father of the bride.

    There are several more "interesting" happenings, but that's enough for now.

    I do believe there's a LOT more going on here than anyone can fathom due, in part, to the shifting stories, and the information blackout - a LOT more.

    My opinion only
    Pardon me, but since when does LE use a civilian as a "plant" in a drug sting? They do not usually send a civilian, particularly a young woman, into a drug operation because that would be dangerous. Drug dealers carry guns. I've never heard of anything like this. Informants, yes... but not a plant. That's a job for an undercover cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogzilla View Post
    I think it is very easy to get confused following this case. Up is down, left is right and so on. We have multiple versions of the ongoing narrative from the Bobo family, cryptic and very pointed comments made by LE and 5 pounds of crazy in a 1 pound bag following it. The lack of ANY information provided in this case combined with LE stopping searches and repeatedly saying that they believe the abductor is local and the investigation has not left the Darden/Parsons area is the only way to read between the lines in this case. CB is a supposed eye witness to the events of that morning, his accounts are very skewed and lead nowhere. It would make sense that there is information he probably should not share, but that does not explain the convoluted stories we have been given. There is a really simple version that could be offered, CB woke up and saw his sister walking away. The problem here stems from all of the confusing perspectives we are given as CB tells his story. From meter readers, HB car still at home when CB knew it shouldn't be, calling his mother to see who he is looking at, phantom turkeys, to the quote that he did not think she would be coming back anytime soon and etc... (Also keep in mind we did not know any of the Bobo's actual story until they spoke with the media almost 3 months later)
    CB is either telling bald faced lies or trying to fool other people, maybe the one who does know the missing parts to CB's narrative. CB supposedly gave a statement the first day and any deviation from that without LE being aware would of made him suspect number one very quickly.
    I think the most likely scenario here is that somebody familiar with the Bobo family and specifically the area around their home is the abductor. Being in such a remote area, the odds heavily favor it as well as the way this case has played out.
    LE at it's core is a business and plenty of time and resources have been used in this case, I don't believe LE had 10+ investigators on this case at one time to speculate about it while eating doughnuts.
    Let's also not forget the subsequent drug busts during the search for HB. Another overlooked aspect of this case is the TBI investigation into the local drug task force (covers Decatur County, also look who requested the Governor offer a reward). I HAVE NO IDEA if it is connected to HB case or not, but I do know one thing-
    Drugs investigations equal making money and missing young women investigations equal spending money. I think it's safe to assume politics play a role in this case and
    it's impossible to read into others priorities, except to say the TBI is still investigating this case.
    Can you explain the part I bolded, please?? Making money for WHOM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxLady2 View Post
    Pardon me, but since when does LE use a civilian as a "plant" in a drug sting? They do not usually send a civilian, particularly a young woman, into a drug operation because that would be dangerous. Drug dealers carry guns. I've never heard of anything like this. Informants, yes... but not a plant. That's a job for an undercover cop.
    Happened here in Florida and the girl was shot and killed before the cops could close in.

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...reached_i.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by TxLady2 View Post
    Can you explain the part I bolded, please?? Making money for WHOM?
    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_forfeiture"]Asset forfeiture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    http://www.tn.gov/safety/thp/forfeitFAQ.shtml
    http://www.stategazette.com/story/1727735.html
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-te...ed-drug-money/
    http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14...off-drug-trade
    http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/.../?breakingnews
    http://media.wbbjtv.com/documents/24DASpecialReport.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    Good Post. Especially the part I bolded above, as I think at the very beginning when LE got there, that is exactly what they needed to do. Grab their guns and go in and get her, darn it. The whole...."wait on dogs, protect the investigation, keep people from trampling on tracks--this part from witness no less!!", is a bunch of crap because they got there literally minutes after it supposedly happened, so run in there and try to get her back, darn it.
    But CB said he couldn't stop people from going in there plus KB said they rushed into the woods. I wonder how far they went?

    When the dogs did arrive they never found HB's scent around the entrance to the woods. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that she ever went in there. jmo

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    I have been thinking a lot about CB's statement that he didn't think that they would be getting HB back for a while (paraphrasing) and in my opinion only, I think that he felt that way because who knew who has her and why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosyone View Post
    I have been thinking a lot about CB's statement that he didn't think that they would be getting HB back for a while (paraphrasing) and in my opinion only, I think that he felt that way because who knew who has her and why.
    I find Clint's statement a strange choice of words. It really bothers me.

    How about, "I am afraid I will never see my sister again."
    "I am going to do everything in my power to find my sister."

    But right away he says he didn't think Holly would be coming home anytime soon. Sure sounds like he had a reason for saying that...but what?

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    Why do u think the pictures were edited? Also what am I looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by houndstooth View Post
    I can't believe that reporter actually had to say "A Christmas without Holly" with a straight face.
    So lame.

    Here's the most crucial part of the video for me.
    Pause on 1:11.
    Do you see who they are still saying was Clint?
    Why it's Drew in the pic with Holly and Rascal!
    AGAIN!
    Granted that someone tried to blend or change the appearance so that
    in a brief glimpse you thought that might be Clint, but it isn't.

    Matter of fact, it's hard to even find a pic of Clint in amongst the
    mountain of photos of Holly on the Piano Shrine.

    What is up with that?

    Point being, the media has followed this case longer than I have, why did they attempt
    to deceive viewers after 8 months continuously about the Drew/Clint photo images, or as I have dubbed these morphs, Clew!
    From my iPad it was clear as a bell that that was Drew not Clint. But two other things immediately stood out to me. First, when mom says we'll never give up, we'll never give up looking for her. The first time she says never give up she shakes her head slightly back and forth, but when she reiterates they will never give up she shakes her head up and down, as in yes we will give up. The things she said in the interview did not flow, she said we instead of I, and she censored what she was saying a few times. She quit teaching because she searching full time but what she says does to search for holly is "things". Secondly, the piano shrine. Soooooo where were the photos of Holly at any other age of physical development?????? Wouldn't you have your favorite photos of your daughter mixed in? Ballet recitals, parties, favorite shots as a toddler or newborn? No other family photos? Holly and daddy riding a four wheeler or reading a book or special moments? Moo
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    I went through some of cranky's photos and a few things caught my I. I haven't gotten the hang of fotoforensics yet but i linked to the analysis of the photos in case someone else could understand how to figure out if they have been photoshopped. Tia and moo and I'm wondering if I am just looking for things that aren't there because there is nothing else to go on.:/

    This photo I think Holly's hair was lengthened. On the right she has one piece that does a curve that if straightened out would be too long and she has a piece in her left sleeve again that does not match the length of the rest of the hair.
    http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.ph...6bf4df5e.39903

    This photo that can't be his hand?! His arm would be so short.
    http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.ph...79f607a8.52245

    Look at the wall to the right of Karen's head. It is pink/peach where it should be white. And is the red Christmas vest photoshopped?
    http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.ph...c2503721.27977
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    MOO I still see nothing wrong with really any of the pictures that others seem to have a problem with. And I am actually very experienced in Photoshopping. Why would it matter that little things like wall color ect. is changed? Does this mean you think Holly isn't really a part of the Bobo family? That she doesn't exist at all? What would be the point in changing all these pictures and who would do such a thing?

    I must admit, that one thing I do agree with that Yoda just brought up, is regarding younger pictures of Holly. Why no baby pics? Not one picture of her as a child anywhere? I haven't seen one at least, and it is pretty weird to me actually. IMO.

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