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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    How do we know "the scream" was Holly? The neighbour heard a scream coming from the Bobo home. What if the "accident" occurred way before 8 am?

    IMO, if that is what happened, a cover up took place. Nobody was supposed to know the blood was Holly's and that was a slip by dad on one of the talk shows who was immediately replaced by the pastor as soon as that was revealed on air.

    I think churches or places of worship should be looked at, imo. IMO, Holly is buried there.
    Like a quiet paupers funeral? This whole rumor makes the most sense to me. Accident and panic. I can't tie the cell phone or whatever was found that Karen said she was relieved about though. Unless someone else shot her and took her and Clint saw it. Froze maybe? They don't know how badly she was wounded and just know shes gone. JMO I really have no idea at this time. Help somebody! Makes something fit here.


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    To me the rumor makes zero sense... Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc. Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO. Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    There doesn't seem to have been time for all of this to have happened...Holly spoke with at least one person outside of her family that morning...not long before this all started...so where is she and how did Clint get far away enough to "hide" her and be there when neighbor showed up?

    I don't believe this is what occurred that day (the accidental shooting theory), but I do see how a community might come to think it had.
    Well I kinda hate to say it, but do we know for sure her father was a work that morning? The same goes for the boyfriend, cousin or friend that may of been hunting close by. Someone else may have taken her body with Clint left at the house to call Mom, 911 and be there for the neighbor. JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle View Post
    To me the rumor makes zero sense... Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc. Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO. Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.
    I don’t believe the whole Bobo family is engaged in a cover-up based on an accident.

    BBM - I would like to point out that the scene of the crime was not cleaned up, i.e. the blood and coke can. There may have been more evidence, but with the onslaught of people arriving at the Bobo house shortly after Holly disappeared, who knows what evidence was trampled on and/or destroyed?

    IMO, whoever the perp is, he doesn't seem to be concerned with what is left behind, or found, as long as it is not Holly. It almost seems as though there was a purposeful trail left by the perp - Holly's blood, she was seen being led to the woods, then her lunchbag was found, and cell phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle View Post
    Yeah but now its not Drew its the Cousin... so that changed too (somehow).
    Right. Now, I don't know who changed that part. Some have said that John Walsh or AMW may have gotten it wrong. My feeling is they wouldn't just come up with "a cousin" if it didn't come from the only eye witness in this case. Therefore, I'm left scratching my head wondering why the story has changed once again when we all know up until the AMW episode, Clint always remained consistent with his theory that it was Drew. He was so convinced it was Drew that he even called his cellphone and then Holly's cell.

    I have no idea why it was changed to cousin after a year.


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    I'm sitting here stunned about the garage location...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Were we ever told where Clint parked his car that day? Was he in front or in back of the residence?
    May have been answered already. My apologies if it has.

    I have read that his car was in the shed out back and he had closed the doors because he heard they were expecting a storm. I'm not 100% that I read that here, but I think I did. Karen may have mentioned it also in the interview in the backyard where she was pointing and explaining what happened.


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    No credit to the veracity of the rumor above but I'm convinced many in the Darden/Parsons area believe it's true. And if they believe it's true, they must have some sort of intuition that this might be the case. (What might that intuition be based on?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by nosyone View Post
    Please correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to type from memory. As I understand it, Karen spoke to both Holly and Drew and maybe grandmother first, either on the way to school or when she first got to school. I am assuming that the snafu with hunting was straightened out. Then, I am unclear as to who called first, CB asking who was in the garage or the neighbor saying that her son had heard a scream from their property . Reportedly, she called CB to tell him that he should get the gun and follow Holly, she was in the clutches of someone dangerous, and dashed out being driven home by a friend who was a school employee, using the employee's phone to call 911 because she had left hers at school. In MOO, in this sequence of events, (as poorly as I've relayed them) I think that there was never a snafu with hunting and I truly believe that Karen knew the whole story before she ever left the school and probably relayed to LE what happened on the 911 tape and maybe that's why they haven't released it. WHY? I don't have a clue.
    Eh, this is kinda far out, but I'm gonna say it anyway and its definitely JMO. What if Holly was in Karens car? She had someone else drive her home and later when she retrieved her car there was time to dispose of the body and plant the evidence.

    Its diabolical and I hated typing disposed. She might go that far to cover for her son. I'm not gonna mention why I might think that. It was something I read in several places that weren't as reputable as here. Some of you may have read it also. Not trying to cause any drama, just that it is out there, and it isn't confirmed and probably won't be unless the family talks or we have access to medical records. I'm sure the last part isn't happening.


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    As fantastic/implausible as it may seem THE FACTS PROVE IT TO BE TRUE..

    Quote Originally Posted by Carla Lashelle View Post
    To me the rumor makes zero sense... Why cover up an accident and make it look like an abduction. And, the time frame of a half an hour between screams and the cops showing up is still not enough time to clean up a crime scene, hide a body etc. Just too fantastic and implausible IMHO. Accidents can and do happen all the time but I can't see hiding one and carrying on a charade for over a year.
    I personally do not believe there was an accident as I've stated many times before sorry, but this accidental death and cover up next to NEVER happens.. much much more likely is that in general (and I am purposefully speaking in general terms and in theory non specific case FOR OBVIOUS REASONS) ..IN a case where this in theory occurs or is later claimed to have occurred when faced with possible charges after an indefinite amount were to have passed since a supposed abduction occurred.. which later revealed to have actually been a death that was then attempted to be covered up as an abduction.. IMO the "accidental death" followed by panic which caused a person to choose to cover it up.. well IMO its not at all "accidental"..yes this is the claim and it very much will be clung to, but IMO the truth of the matter in a case that is of these dynamics is that THERE ALMOST ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS IS AN UNKNOWN NEFARIOUS FACTOR..

    IT IS THAT NEFARIOUS FACTOR THAT IS THE EXACT REASON FOR THE CHOICE MADE TO COVER UP! ..NOT PANIC AND COVER UP!

    as anyone with a single brain cell realizes that the truly accidental death is not an intentional homicide.. not even close and especially if it were a situation of family and obvious of zero intent very very likely there would be zero criminal consequence.. regardless the point is that the accidental death is not covered up.. the love and respect for the family member deceased far outweighs the fear of possible criminal consequence..

    THEREFORE I STAND BY MY OPINION OF THE ACCIDENTAL DEATH(speaking in general and in theory of course)

    Now as far as the other above comment about screams.. evidence.. timeline NOT FITTING.. that IMO could not be farther from accurate..

    QUITE OBVIOUSLY HOLLY WAS INJURED ON THAT PROPERTY(MOO SHE WAS DECEASED) AND HER BODY ABSOLUTELY WAS REMOVED FROM THERE BY THE TIME LE ARRIVES.. EVIDENCE NOT CLEANED UP..so not quite sure why you feel now that's not possible to have occurred because it did occur and stands as only one of the very few stand alone facts here..

    Regardless who in your opinion is the perp THE FACT REMAINS THAT HOLLY WAS ALIVE/WELL AT 7AM(spoke to Hannah) AND WHEN LE ARRIVED AN HOUR LATER HOLLY WAS GONE.. HER BLOOD AT THE SCENE AS WELL AS BELONGINGS STREWN ABOUT(and IMO she was deceased)..EVIDENCE WAS NOT CLEANED UP..

    There is no argument to could it have happened? ..does it fit in the timeline?

    IT DID OCCUR AND IT OBVIOUSLY THEREFORE FITS ..THERE WAS NO CLEAN UP.. THE ONLY THING CLEANED OR REMOVED WAS HOLLY'S BODY.. THAT'S A FACT AND THAT FACT REMAINS WHETHER YOU PLUG IN THE NAME LESS.. FACELESS.. CAMO KILLER(as some believe) ..AN ACCIDENTAL SHOOTING.. OR AN INTENTIONAL SHOOTING..

    TOO FANTASTIC AND IMPLAUSIBLE? maybe as an opinion but the fact stands that it absolutely happened.. tho, clearly mistaken about the evidence being cleaned up.. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
    Thanks for the locals' thoughts. It is comforting to hear they still think about her. It is so quiet otherwise you get the feeling that everyone just went on their way and forgot about her.

    Their thoughts on CB shooting her could make more sense if it wasn't accidental, if it was intentional. Then the coverup by family, and pastor's family, would make sense. The pastor's wife driving her instead of her sister, who also works there, iirc, could mean that the shooting happened before kb left for work and that she confided in her. Maybe the screaming was KB when she found out CB had shot HB. Although DB does not look like a man that would let his son hide from the consequences of his actions. I'm still leaning towards the angry relative scenario, although that too is just a theory built on a bread crumb. Moo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    Dana did not see Holly that morning. He talked to her through a closed door and said he was leaving money for her lunch/gas on the counter. Karen says she made Holly breakfast and left for work. She said Holly was sitting at the dining room table when she left. Karen tells us she closed Clint's door before she left.

    We really don't have a verified timeline on most of these calls.
    1. Holly gets call from schoolmate. Holly states she is putting on shoes and leaving.
    2. Holly gets call from Drew, according to Karen.
    3. Holly calls Karen, according to Karen.
    4. Clint sees shadows in garage (carport?)
    5. Clint hears loud voices and isn't sure who it is.
    6. Clint calls Karen to tell about voices....and to ask if Holly is supposed to be at school
    7. ....elapsed time
    8. Clint calls Karen or Karen calls Clint. Clint says Holly is with Drew.
    9. Karen tells Clint she spoke with Drew and it isn't him. She tells Clint to get his gun
    10. neighbor hears scream and tells his mother.
    11. the mother of the person who heard scream calls Karen
    12. Karen becomes hysterical, leaves her phone, and Bromley's wife drives her home.
    13. Karen calls 911 from the Bromley phone on the way home.

    We need to hear the 911 calls to hear what was said regarding Clint and Karen. They are being held from the public. Why? Who are they protecting? A stranger perp? There is something about the phone calls that LE don't want out there
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    IIRC correctly the neighbor has declined to be interviewed or talk with media. I have wondered what she knows. If nothing else she could give the time of the scream(s) and what time she arrived at the Bobo's home IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    OK so here's a question I don't believe has been asked.. supposedly Drew calls Holly at 7:30 and is just now telling her about the confrontation and her family not allowing him to hunt on their land.. i say just now due to the fact that it was quite obviously hours prior when he arrived on the land to attempt to hunt.. as in more like a5am or prior due to the fact that he was scheduled to be at work at 8am along with the fact that hunters enter the woods prior to sunrise.. well prior fto sunrise rom my family and in laws thatvare avid hunters in two totally opposite corners of the U. S. (just saying its that way alotvplaces and not just TN..

    Why just now calling at supposedly 730 to tell Holly he wasn't allowed on property? ..i believe that call likely ttook place waaay before 730
    Nice. Very nice and a good catch. When I use to hunt we were in the woods an hour or two before sunrise. Mainly because where we had staked out was a good distance up on a mountain or deep into the woods on flat ground. And of course we were walking in the dark.


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    Surely Le has all of the phone records from that morning and knows by now, if nothing else, who called who when and from where...I don't think lying about the time of calls would serve much purpose as everyone knows that can be checked.
    Just my opinion, of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    According to the KISS theory..one could assume, DS got there and was angry, they got into an argument and things went downhill from there. The family cannot accept that DS would harm Holly and have made the pieces fit a stranger. That is the stripped down version and frankly makes more sense than any other.
    Yeah....all along I've wanted to believe it wasn't him and he had no involvement. Now I don't know anymore. JMO


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