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    One thing about Holly's case that has stuck with me is that it's been reported that her cellphone was found as a result of a phone tip. At the time it was just called a "significant item" officially but there were reports that it was the cellphone and the AMW feature seemed to confirm that.

    Mr Noatak brought up the Morgan Harrington case, and in Morgan's case her t-shirt was found in an odd place 3 weeks after she went missing:

    http://www.readthehook.com/67960/pan...an-harringtons

    Since the t-shirt was found on a bush right next to where students regularly walk, there has been a lot of speculation that it was put there deliberately and well after her disappearance.

    Holly's phone was found 12 days after her disappearance, reportedly after a phone tip and reports have also said it was found on an industrial property (although we don't know how far off the road). I don't think it's a stretch to wonder if Holly's phone was used as some kind of message or diversion like Morgan's t-shirt may have been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    <snipped>
    Holly Bobo was not abducted for her money or jewelry. The timing of the lunch bag find suggests that this could have been discarded not long after Holly’s disappearance. Holly’s cell phone is more problematic. It was found so much later, that unless it was very well hidden in the weeds, it could have been placed there days later. Using my logic cited above, Holly’s phone would have been deactivated not very long after her disappearance, but not necessarily dumped immediately. Whether Holly’s purse or pocketbook with her ID/credit cards was recovered is of great importance. Maybe the investigators could hold a press conference and tell us only what THEY DID NOT FIND and WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW. I mean, would this simple request truly endanger the investigation?

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    Sheriff Wyatt - Significant Find

    Missing Holly Bobo Update: Cell Phone Found Roadside
    By Robin Stanfill
    Published Apr 25, 2011

    The new evidence found during the search for Holly Bobo was her cell phone, found roadside on Hwy. 69.

    Although law enforcement are not revealing any information concerning the "significant" item found during Sunday's search, a member of the search teams has revealed the item was believed to be Holly's cell phone.

    Reportedly, the cell phone was located on side of the road on Hwy. 69 in Parsons, near Holly's father's place of employment, as well as Kolpack, a nearby factory, and the Tennessee Technology Center, where Holly was attending school.

    Decatur County Sheriff Roy Wyatt has related that law enforcement received a tip Sunday, April 24, 2011, which lead the investigation and search for Holly Bobo into Northern Decatur County. The Sheriff stated that a tip was received by phone, prompting a search of the area, during the late evening hours of Easter Sunday. In the course of the search, a new item was discovered, which law enforcement considered "significant", and apparently substantial enough for the Decatur County rescue squad and volunteer firefighters to be dispatched in order to perform a specialized foot search of the area. Law enforcement are not revealing any further information about the lead or the item found, at this time.

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    The phone tip is a no brainer.....LE that received the tip should just have used caller ID to identify who was phoning in the tip. Unless the phone tip was from someone well known to the investigation. It seems like every time I read a report .......there are more questions raised than answers. Maybe this why Easter was the end of any additional information being released by LE. Websleuths poster Shafer (a few posts back on the thread) pointed out Easter was the end of LE updates(well there were a few more.....but I believe they were all later identified has not accurate and information released had never taken place. MOO
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    My opinions only, no facts here:

    Concerning the Holly Bobo case, there is something else….

    Many episodes of the ID Discovery show “Fatal Encounters” reveal a common type of criminal case that I cynically refer to as ‘manifest destiny’. Let me explain. There are some people who through a series of uncharacteristic decisions, end up as innocent victims. It almost seems that they had a date with destiny and nothing could prevent the terrible outcome. There is an old parable involving a man in the desert fleeing death, but I will not bore you with it. Anyway, the concept is ancient. Events may or may not be random, but events can collectively conspire against you.

    Permit me to give you a made-up story that does not involve a crime, to explain my point about “manifest destiny”:

    1) There is a young man who works at a lumber mill in the woods.
    2) He stays up late one night and drinks more alcohol than usual. His best friend and co-worker, Jack is with him and drinks even more.
    3) The next morning the young man has a hangover, wakes up late and barely makes it to work on time.
    4) In his rush to get to work on time, he forgets his hardhat.
    5) When he shows up, the boss tells him to get a hardhat from the trailer, but he finds that the trailer door is locked.
    6) So, he goes to work without his hardhat.
    7) His daily job is peeling poles in the mill, but when he gets into the mill the section boss rings his phone.
    8) The section boss tells him that Jack did not show up for work and asks him to climb up the hill to help with felling a few trees until Jack shows up.
    9) The young man is walking up the hill, and is struck by a falling tree on his bare unprotected head and is killed.

    What is actually happening here is that with each “act of the play” the future victim is knowingly or unknowingly placing themselves in gradually increasing danger. At some point, they are dead. The optimist would say, “well he should not have drank so much” or “he should not have let his best friend get so bombed” or “he should have told his boss that the trailer was locked” or “he should not have climbed the hill without his hardhat”. But the cynic says “the die was cast in advance”.

    In contrast with this imaginary storyline, the die was NOT cast in advance in the Holly Bobo case. She did nothing that I am aware of that was uncharacteristic, leading up to the time of her abduction. She was NOT engaging in progressively risky behavior or exposing herself to progressively increasing danger. There is no evidence of so-called ‘manifest destiny’. To me this means that the crime was either one of unpredictable passion AND/OR was conspired on a fairly short timetable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Noatak View Post
    My opinions only, no facts here:

    Concerning the Holly Bobo case, there is something else….

    Many episodes of the ID Discovery show “Fatal Encounters” reveal a common type of criminal case that I cynically refer to as ‘manifest destiny’. Let me explain. There are some people who through a series of uncharacteristic decisions, end up as innocent victims. It almost seems that they had a date with destiny and nothing could prevent the terrible outcome. There is an old parable involving a man in the desert fleeing death, but I will not bore you with it. Anyway, the concept is ancient. Events may or may not be random, but events can collectively conspire against you.

    Permit me to give you a made-up story that does not involve a crime, to explain my point about “manifest destiny”:

    1) There is a young man who works at a lumber mill in the woods.
    2) He stays up late one night and drinks more alcohol than usual. His best friend and co-worker, Jack is with him and drinks even more.
    3) The next morning the young man has a hangover, wakes up late and barely makes it to work on time.
    4) In his rush to get to work on time, he forgets his hardhat.
    5) When he shows up, the boss tells him to get a hardhat from the trailer, but he finds that the trailer door is locked.
    6) So, he goes to work without his hardhat.
    7) His daily job is peeling poles in the mill, but when he gets into the mill the section boss rings his phone.
    8) The section boss tells him that Jack did not show up for work and asks him to climb up the hill to help with felling a few trees until Jack shows up.
    9) The young man is walking up the hill, and is struck by a falling tree on his bare unprotected head and is killed.

    What is actually happening here is that with each “act of the play” the future victim is knowingly or unknowingly placing themselves in gradually increasing danger. At some point, they are dead. The optimist would say, “well he should not have drank so much” or “he should not have let his best friend get so bombed” or “he should have told his boss that the trailer was locked” or “he should not have climbed the hill without his hardhat”. But the cynic says “the die was cast in advance”.

    In contrast with this imaginary storyline, the die was NOT cast in advance in the Holly Bobo case. She did nothing that I am aware of that was uncharacteristic, leading up to the time of her abduction. She was NOT engaging in progressively risky behavior or exposing herself to progressively increasing danger. There is no evidence of so-called ‘manifest destiny’. To me this means that the crime was either one of unpredictable passion AND/OR was conspired on a fairly short timetable.

    Sleuth On!
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    The very last sentence could possibly be true, and if so, the "AND" would be my vote, and I would even expand this a little further as shown belowi.

    In a previous post, you also mentioned this:

    "In summary, the official details of the case and the placement of the evidence has a personal, local, insular, and naive feel to it. It seems to me that the perpetrator was someone from the immediate area who knew Holly through previous and/or present associations AND knew her daily schedule.""

    I definitely agree with this and especially that the case had a "naive" feel to it. If we expand upon this thought, lets suppose the perp was someone close to her that decided to talk with her before her class that day, and lets suppose a serious argument / fight occurred which caused her to fall and maybe hit her head or something. The person could have walked her back to their vehicle and maybe was even going to take her to the hospital or something. Then, lets suppose she suddenly passes away in the vehicle or on the way to the vehicle. Panic would surely set in, and the person maybe was not thinking rationally, so rather than just calling for help, maybe they panicked and left her somewhere, because they felt they caused her fall.

    Now, if something like this happened, that person would surely see the news about how everyone thought a random kidnapper took her, so maybe they used that news to come up with the idea to plant some of her things to help that theory along. Then, as time went on, this person could not believe how the story grew and took on a life of its own about a kidnapper. So they were at the point of no return, and maybe they realized there was still her phone in his vehicle, so they dumped the phone on that last Easter day and made a phone call tip to be sure they found the phone. That last tip about the phone had a very "naive" feel to it, almost amaturish feel to it.

    This is just one of the possiblities that could have happened that day, and when someone panics, they can do strange things. I keep wondering that maybe the news media about a "kidnapper" began to drive itself and the person who really knew what happened maybe was using the news stories, and maybe they planted the evidence to help it along.

    Anyway, I totally agree that this case has a very "naive" feel to it, which is why I think this could be a possiblity. I totally realize there are many other possiblities, and that is what makes this case so hard. There is no one theory that we can pin down yet.

    All JMO of course.
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    In the very beginning of this case, I had a "gut feeling" about what happened, and since then, I have read everything, watched every video clip, and read all the boards I could find, to find a theory different from my original thought. Every scenario imaginable has run through my head, from human trafficking to fatal attraction, but I still always come back to the old "gut feeling" of it being close to home. Just my opinion only!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MizStery View Post
    SNIPPED.....The phone tip is a no brainer.....LE that received the tip should just have used caller ID to identify who was phoning in the tip.
    This is a very good point. Surely, LE could have pulled all phone records from literally everyone in the town for that 1-2 minute time period to identify who called in the tip. So, LE should have been able to identify who called in the tip. The only way that they could not identify them, was if the person was using one of those throw-away phones, which is possible, but unlikely IMO.

    I am kind of thinking that LE knows who called in the tip, and maybe that is why all searches stopped at that point. It is possible that LE and maybe even the family knows who called in the tip, and maybe this goes back to having some kind of personal "bond" or "empathy" with the person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nosyone View Post
    In the very beginning of this case, I had a "gut feeling" about what happened, and since then, I have read everything, watched every video clip, and read all the boards I could find, to find a theory different from my original thought. Every scenario imaginable has run through my head, from human trafficking to fatal attraction, but I still always come back to the old "gut feeling" of it being close to home. Just my opinion only!
    That's my feeling too (perp being close to home).... I also think LE has an idea of who the perp might be, but that person has a very good alibi, thanks to family or friends, an so LE has to wait...
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    I think the perp was a local young man that Holly knew. I think she was startled to find him there when she went out to her car. Perhaps, in the surprise of the moment, she was injured and the perp became frightened and took her.

    I do believe the case is solvable....but not by us, with what little we actually know. I still would like to hear all three 911 calls. Those would help tremendously.


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    I have noticed the conversation has revolved around Holly's abduction being "naive" of sorts, a plan hatched at the last minute due to unforeseen circumstances--perhaps by someone she knew or was acquainted with.

    My question would be, it would seem this kind of last minute act of desperation would lead to a very "sloppy" and amateurish cover-up, why has she not been found? Furthermore if it was someone in her circle of familiars ,would that not be reason to think it would have been solved by now, because this person would have been on the radar from the beginning, right?


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    I don't think it was a crime of opportunity; I think it was planned - at least roughed out beforehand.

    I guess much hinges on our old familiar discussion re: whether Clint was supposed to be home or not.


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    Actually, I am almost afraid to post this thought....so Websleuthers, don't go all squirrelly on me--just sayin

    The similarities in these cases almost make me think it could be the same guy.

    Holly Bobo and Sierra LaMar anyway--
    We have actually had 3 Early Morning going to school or work abductions, there was also Jennifer Kesse.

    Who knows maybe even Morgan Harrington or do all the abductors know to throw out the cell phones,purses,and personal belongings of their victims.

    I am just thinking out loud, but is it that "out there"--I mean these young women are not being found, so I think this guy has had a very methodical way of stalking and disposing of victims, and is so far removed from his victims, there is no common thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    Actually, I am almost afraid to post this thought....so Websleuthers, don't go all squirrelly on me--just sayin

    The similarities in these cases almost make me think it could be the same guy.

    Holly Bobo and Sierra LaMar anyway--
    We have actually had 3 Early Morning going to school or work abductions, there was also Jennifer Kesse.

    Who knows maybe even Morgan Harrington or do all the abductors know to throw out the cell
    phones,purses,and personal belongings of their victims.

    I am just thinking out loud, but is it that "out there"--I mean these young
    women are not being found, so I think this guy has had a very methodical way of stalking and
    disposing of victims, and is so far removed from his victims, there is no common thread.
    If they are related than "Holly's" is unique because there was an eye witness? So,are you saying.... it
    might be a serial abductor...this makes it even more urgent to find Holly's abductor before he strikes
    again ?





    I am not trying to put words in your mouth but I just was trying to connect the dots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MizStery View Post
    If they are related than "Holly's" is unique because there was an eye witness? So are you saying.... it might be a serial abductor...this makes it even more urgent to find Holly's abductor before he strikes again ?
    LOL!! I am really not sure what I am thinking. It is hard for me to comprehend the similarities in these cases, and the fact there has been no sign of the victims , like they just disappeared. That there was a witness in Holly's case makes it even stranger that they literally found NO trace of her within minutes of the last sighting--How does that happen, no footprints, no tire tracks, no vehicle, no evidence of them in the woods--just POOFF!!!

    .....and yes he will strike again, maybe had he been found in one of the earlier abductions, maybe if they had been able to find "sketch" from the Morgan Harrington case, The rest of these missing young women would have been safe. At least in the Morgan Harrington case they found her body and even with that I feel the VSP really messed that case up.

    All I know is it would be the best news possible if when they caught this guy they could tie all of these abductions together. Think how many lives would be saved by removing this ONE monster. Who am I kidding, life just doesn't work out that way


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    Quote Originally Posted by R.U.Kidding! View Post
    Actually, I am almost afraid to post this thought....so Websleuthers, don't go all squirrelly on me--just sayin

    The similarities in these cases almost make me think it could be the same guy.

    Holly Bobo and Sierra LaMar anyway--
    We have actually had 3 Early Morning going to school or work abductions, there was also Jennifer Kesse.

    Who knows maybe even Morgan Harrington or do all the abductors know to throw out the cell phones,purses,and personal belongings of their victims.

    I am just thinking out loud, but is it that "out there"--I mean these young women are not being found, so I think this guy has had a very methodical way of stalking and disposing of victims, and is so far removed from his victims, there is no common thread.
    It is interesting - in both cases cell phones are found, and Holly's lunch box is a similar find to SL's Juicy Couture bag... and both going to school and taken at almost the same time in the morning...
    Both in out-of-the-way places, and right outside their homes...
    A variation, could SL be a copy cat abduction?
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    There have been so many missing teens and young women who have gone missing in this country over the years, and never found. Literally hundreds. There is no way it could be the same guy, he'd have to be 150 years old by now. The reality is, that there are way too many perps going around abducting young women or children, and way too many who get away with it for a long, long time.

    As for throwing out the cell phone, what person wouldn't know to do that? Even teens seem to know that cell phones can be traced.

    Most people don't realize how difficult it is to find a missing person. There are so many places they can be hidden away, so where do you look? The best chance of finding her is to try to figure out who did it. They may have narrowed down the list of suspects by now and are just waiting on more proof... or they may have no suspects whatsoever. She may end up on that long list of missing that are never found.

    I'm sure there are parents out there who have died never knowing what happened to their child, sad as that is to say.


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