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    The PayPal Defense Fund

    Let's move discussion regarding the paypal fund and any ramifications it may have on to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Nope. I think he either deliberately didn't ask him or instructed him not to tell him how much was in the accounts. Like I said, I think he walks a fine line wrt ethics.

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    See, I have a problem with this. He's an officer of the court. He's also the one getting paid. You would think that the first thing he would ask GZ is how much money he has. Lying by omission is still a lie. He also knew there were websites with donations out there. Now, if he asked GZ and GZ (and I guess, the family) lied to him, that's a whole other thing; I can see MOM tapdancing around it so it didn't do his client's image too much harm. But he doesn't strike me as so stupid. At. All.
    It all seems shady, IMO.

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    Is there a link to this account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladonna View Post
    Is there a link to this account?
    Do you mean to actually contribute? if so then no we won't post that. But if you mean a link about the paypal fund then yes I am sure someone can find one for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    Do you mean to actually contribute? if so then no we won't post that. But if you mean a link about the paypal fund then yes I am sure someone can find one for you.
    Yes, that's what I meant. thanks

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    Copied from thread 35, p 27...

    Quote Originally Posted by vlpate View Post
    The checks, money orders, etc., were fed-exed, the paypal account has to be transferred.

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    Hi vl~ except that's not what O'Mara said. Here are transcripts of his two conflicting explanations of how he got the big money from George.

    April 26
    Anderson Cooper:

    O'MARA: ... he said what to do with all the money in the PayPal accounts after we closed out his presence. And I asked him what he talked about. He told me the amount. I said, well, that's a significant amount of money, we need to secure that because we need to make sure that we administer it properly. And it came right to me. He'd literally FedEx'd me the checks.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...26/acd.01.html

    April 27
    Jane Velez Mitchell:

    O'MARA: ...as soon as the opportunity presented itself for George to discuss it with me, as soon as that presented himself in telling me without question and transferring the money into my trust accounts, literally moments later, so I know his position in it.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...7/ijvm.01.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by ladonna View Post
    Is there a link to this account?
    This 4/27 article has info about GZ's PayPal account(s)..

    "Prosecutors in the Trayvon Martin shooting case asked a Florida judge today to increase the bail amount for George Zimmerman after news that the 17-year-old's killer had raised more than $200,000 through a Paypal account on his website.
    Circuit Court judge Kenneth Lester Jr said he wanted to scrutinize the account to learn more about who opened the site, who managed it and exactly how much money it contained."

    More at link:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ry?id=16228564

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    Quote Originally Posted by francie View Post
    Copied from thread 35, p 27...



    Hi vl~ except that's not what O'Mara said. Here are transcripts of his two conflicting explanations of how he got the big money from George.

    April 26
    Anderson Cooper:

    O'MARA: ... he said what to do with all the money in the PayPal accounts after we closed out his presence. And I asked him what he talked about. He told me the amount. I said, well, that's a significant amount of money, we need to secure that because we need to make sure that we administer it properly. And it came right to me. He'd literally FedEx'd me the checks.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...26/acd.01.html

    April 27
    Jane Velez Mitchell:

    O'MARA: ...as soon as the opportunity presented itself for George to discuss it with me, as soon as that presented himself in telling me without question and transferring the money into my trust accounts, literally moments later, so I know his position in it.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...7/ijvm.01.html

    How bizarre. Why the inconsistencies? Why does his story keep changing? Usually that only happens with liars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francie View Post
    Copied from thread 35, p 27...



    Hi vl~ except that's not what O'Mara said. Here are transcripts of his two conflicting explanations of how he got the big money from George.

    April 26
    Anderson Cooper:

    O'MARA: ... he said what to do with all the money in the PayPal accounts after we closed out his presence. And I asked him what he talked about. He told me the amount. I said, well, that's a significant amount of money, we need to secure that because we need to make sure that we administer it properly. And it came right to me. He'd literally FedEx'd me the checks.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...26/acd.01.html

    April 27
    Jane Velez Mitchell:

    O'MARA: ...as soon as the opportunity presented itself for George to discuss it with me, as soon as that presented himself in telling me without question and transferring the money into my trust accounts, literally moments later, so I know his position in it.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...7/ijvm.01.html

    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O'mara give a press conference immediately following the bond hearing stating that he was going to shut down all of the GZ defense fund websites. Yet a week later "the real George Zimmerman" website was still up and running. And then he actually had the audacity to suggest that he didn't know about it.

    I'm really getting tired of Mr. O'mara's excuses. How long does he expect to get away with playing dumb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherishtoo View Post
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't O'mara give a press conference immediately following the bond hearing stating that he was going to shut down all of the GZ defense fund websites. Yet a week later "the real George Zimmerman" website was still up and running. And then he actually had the audacity to suggest that he didn't know about it.

    I'm really getting tired of Mr. O'mara's excuses. How long does he expect to get away with playing dumb?
    It's okay, when all is said and done, Zimmerman and O'Mara will both be broke. All the money in the world ain't gonna save Zimmerman.


    ~jmo~


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne37 View Post
    It's okay, when all is said and done, Zimmerman and O'Mara will both be broke. All the money in the world ain't gonna save Zimmerman.


    ~jmo~
    If only I had your faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francie View Post
    Copied from thread 35, p 27...



    Hi vl~ except that's not what O'Mara said. Here are transcripts of his two conflicting explanations of how he got the big money from George.

    April 26
    Anderson Cooper:

    O'MARA: ... he said what to do with all the money in the PayPal accounts after we closed out his presence. And I asked him what he talked about. He told me the amount. I said, well, that's a significant amount of money, we need to secure that because we need to make sure that we administer it properly. And it came right to me. He'd literally FedEx'd me the checks.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...26/acd.01.html

    April 27
    Jane Velez Mitchell:

    O'MARA: ...as soon as the opportunity presented itself for George to discuss it with me, as soon as that presented himself in telling me without question and transferring the money into my trust accounts, literally moments later, so I know his position in it.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...7/ijvm.01.html

    It is very confusing and ambiguous the way those statements are expressed.
    The word "literally" as opposed to "actual" jumps out. What does that mean. Fedex'd or not.
    If I recall using Paypal myself, when you have a positive balance in the account, you can either request a ( mailed) Paypal paper check or electronic transfer to a bank account. Or use the positive balance for a direct "on line" payment for something.

    You would never see a check directly from the person that actual made the donation since that is all paperless. Now here we have checks(multiple) that somebody had to request from Paypal and I wonder to which physical mailing address since GZ was/is in hiding except when in jail. And it would have taken several days to get a check from Paypal after the request was made.
    Multiple checks would mean multiple requests to Payal over a period of time. Were "they" afraid to deposit them before the bail hearing since it would blow their cover of no money for bail?
    Something smells very off. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elementary View Post
    See, I have a problem with this. He's an officer of the court. He's also the one getting paid. You would think that the first thing he would ask GZ is how much money he has. Lying by omission is still a lie. He also knew there were websites with donations out there. Now, if he asked GZ and GZ (and I guess, the family) lied to him, that's a whole other thing; I can see MOM tapdancing around it so it didn't do his client's image too much harm. But he doesn't strike me as so stupid. At. All.
    It all seems shady, IMO.
    Well, MOM admitted "he is a business man first" in one of his interviews.
    And now Paypal funds/donations will be requested thru a web site owned by MOM's place of business.
    One thing I do not expect in the near future, is a hearing on the SYG statute to have the charge dismissed since that would shut the donations down..
    Man, this is a win win monetary perfect business situation for MOM and GZ.
    Donations will continue to be collected thru MOM's website.
    At some future point in time, SYG can be officially claimed and if successful, the State of Fla will be responsible for all monies spent to date on GZ's defense. MOM gets paid by the State of Florida at his 400 bucks an hour rate and GZ gets to keep all the donations.
    Quite clever and all legal.
    I do pity the FLA taxpayer
    Last edited by rotterdam; 04-30-2012 at 03:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotterdam View Post
    Well, MOM admitted "he is a business man first" in one of his interviews.
    And now Paypal funds/donations will be requested thru a web site owned by MOM's place of business.
    One thing I do not expect in the near future, is a hearing on the SYG statute to have the charge dismissed since that would shut the donations down..
    Man, this is a win win monetary perfect business situation for MOM and GZ.
    Donations will continue to be collected thru MOM's website.
    At some future point in time, SYG can be officially claimed and if successful, the State of Fla will be responsible for all monies spent to date on GZ's defense. MOM gets paid by the State of Florida at his 400 bucks an hour rate and GZ gets to keep all the donations.
    Quite clever and all legal.
    I do pity the FLA taxpayer
    Maybe that's the reason MO'M isn't in any hurry for the discovery.

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    But remember when O'Mara said he was working pro-bono? This gets me riled up. If he is working pro-bono, then what is the "defense fund" for? Were they just lying in court so they could keep the money? They can't have him rich and indigent at the same time.

    *note* And I'm not just saying this because O'Mara is a defense attorney! Who cares what he is? A lie is still a lie!

    My Fox 8, April 12, 2012

    O’Mara said Zimmerman’s family contacted him after referrals from other lawyers. He told reporters Thursday he has taken no fees from his client.I think he’s indigent for costs. He doesn’t have any money,” he said, adding there is a process that allows the state to help defray such costs.


    CNN Transcript, April 12, Day of Zimmerman's First Court Appearance

    Brooke BALDWIN: As you talk about both of these attorneys, you know, look, it can't be cheap to hire them and I know that as Mark O'Mara has said, George Zimmerman doesn't have a lot of money and referred to him as indigent.

    And said to reporters not too long ago, he is not going to be charging him a fee. So then who does get charged for the defense? How does that work?

    NEJAME: Well, really, it is Mark donating his services pro bono, and I suspect many people on the Trayvon team who are doing that as well. Lawyers who care, our passion, a lot of lawyers get a hit, a bad press and bad hit and some have well deserved, but there are many lawyers who are out there truly dedicating themselves to causes and cases.

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