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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseClosed View Post
    To me it does not look like paint, but marks from a pressure washer, perhaps just the kids playing with it.
    When vehicles are parked in the open in bushy areas, it is amazing how the birds like to plop their 'little parcels' onto them. Although it does look like a particularly large one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spratsmum View Post
    Just as an aside are there now two appeals running for the girls, one for their education as mentioned in the Courier Mail on Saturday and now one as mentioned in the same paper today for "Counseling and ongoing support"?
    I think it's just one, for education, support, counselling, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseClosed View Post
    I don't think the works "she" has anything to do with this. The media would have picked up on it, if it is in the driveway of their house.
    I recall an aerial view of the house in the media reports. Anyone got that link handy by chance? if you do a google-image search for baden-clay car, you'll see a pic of the driveway (bitumen) and another pic of the Prado on the driveway (bitumen) with the 'SHE' pathway -- so i think the prado pic was taken at the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couldbe View Post
    Can't help but wonder if the $300,000 (loaned just days before Christmas) went out in one further transaction; or whether it dribbled out.
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226344121450

    Days before Christmas, Mr Baden-Clay took out a $300,000 loan for one of his companies from two partners who exited the business the same day.

    A former colleague said the venture "should have worked and it could have worked, but it didn't''.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-business-venture.htm

    "A business venture is a start-up enterprise that is formed with the expectation and plan that a financial gain will result. Many refer to a business venture as a small business, since it normally starts out with an idea that begins with a small amount of capital or finances. Most business ventures are backed by one or more investors with the hope that the business will be profitable."

    IMO, I don't think the $300,000 was for the Century 21 business but a new business venture???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curiousasacat View Post
    Hmmmm.

    Re above comment "The business partner now works for a competing real estate agency."

    Interesting to note??? The dates may be wrong though.....


    Here is a short snippet of what I was just reading. Link to full article below.

    "In reality, however, such pressure has the opposite effect on some agents, reducing them to tactics and behaviour that compromise not only their own integrity but the integrity of the industry as a whole. If their behaviour didn’t affect me and the community in which I live and work, then I would have nothing to say about this. But it does directly affect me and it directly affects you. No names or pack drills here – I seek not to expose the offender but the practice, the practice being to erect For Sale signs on properties prior to any contract being signed. It is first and foremost illegal. It is secondly unethical. And it is finally reprehensible." Article continues......


    http://liveweb.archive.org/http://ex...t-cricket.html
    But worst of all.....lol....It runs the risk of the home owner selling the house, and not giving the Real Estate Agent ONE PENNY in commissions......Im sure that was hat was most reprehensible to GBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrosa View Post
    Wow! I wonder if what the police saw was in fact graffitti paint with the words
    " Shes D**d" I know its crazy but something the police saw to set up a crime scene!! IMO
    If anything (graffiti or pressure spray or whatever) said 'she's dead' there's no way it would be left unprotected and ready to be walked on or interfered with by anyone on a crime scene - it would have been cordoned off, tagged, and photographed/examined. It's tempting to make Allison's murder more complicated than it actually is, in the absence of any announcement by police. However - IMO - the police aren't currently trying to dredge up complex theories about the connection of other people (unlike a lot of people on here, with respect). I truly believe, based on physical evidence and their own observations, they have narrowed the suspects down to one or two people and are simply gathering and documenting enough evidence to allow a murder charge to succeed (as per Hawkins explanation of manslaughter / murder investigations).

    If lack of an arrest and guilty verdict is stressing, the stress is probably only going to get worse for a while yet. They aren't going to let the person responsible get away with this but that takes time to prepare. There's also going to be no clarity about the police evidence until trial. But, remember they say if a deal seems too good to be true, it probably is (not true). The same applies to speculation - if it seems too wild to be true, it probably is (not true).

    As Hawkins said, the perpetrator of this act is very unlikely to ever confess exactly what happened (sorry if I paraphrased that badly). That's something the forum may have to come to grips with, we may never know what really happened. However I think we can rest safe in the knowledge that the person responsible will be charged, and there will be enough evidence to convict them.

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    Regarding the "SHE" written on the path, it looks to me to have been done a while ago with a pressure cleaner. Does anyone know how long the BC's had been renting that house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maevelorg View Post
    I think you will find this will be swiftly removed as it contains images of minors etc. Has been posted by me and removed before. Sorry!

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    This is second hand hearsay so may not be reliable but a recently retired brisbane homicide detective mentioned to one of my family members that Allison and gbc were seperated. No other details were mentioned but I thought it was interesting. Pure speculation but perhaps this may have been very early on and they had not announced it to family yet. He may have been planning on moving on with the mistress and Allison threatened to make sure he walks away with nothing which likely would infuriate gbc and his mistress. Pure speculation of course. This could also be the reason gbc and none of his family was not listed in the funeral notice as loving husband etc if they were in fact aware of a separation.

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    Sorry I have been out of the loop on what's been posted in the latest thread or 2, and understand people have already confirmed Allison's children were not home on the Thursday night.

    This is the first time I've seen it in print :
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226350333476

    "It is now more than three weeks since Mrs Baden-Clay's three girls saw their mother for the last time, when she dropped them off for a night with their friends."

    Hope that's not repeating anything previously posted. It would tally with the comments someone claimed Allison made to her hairdresser too, and other comments from people suggesting they knew her.

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    Hubby just came up to me and said "I hope no-one murders you today"...(meant in sort of jest...obviously he doesnt think I will be murdered today in reality). Yesterday he cut all these blackberries at the end of our block (Arms and neck scratched), slipped and hit his ribs on a log whilst running (has a slight bruise) and this morning, he used lets say a not so good razor on his face whilst shaving and has two little nick/scratch marks...............................Just by looking at him, one would think.....'You are as suss as suss buddy.' Oh and he is walking a little funny after the fall......and I think from running.

    MEN!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maevelorg View Post
    Note the era appropriate (!) pic of Nigel, gun and children...
    I think the person in army uniform with army-issue rifle is Adam Baden-Clay based on his military background (Captain).

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    Good morning everyone. OMG!!! after last night i don't think i ever want to sleep again. I had so many nightmares about this case!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyboredom View Post
    I think the person in army uniform with army-issue rifle is Adam Baden-Clay based on his military background (Captain).
    Nahhhh, that's Nigel. PS : I think all young men living in South Africa or Zimbabwe do army training. It's like France, where you have to do 2 or so years service to your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angel1 View Post
    Good morning everyone. OMG!!! after last night i don't think i ever want to sleep again. I had so many nightmares about this case!!!!!
    Good morning Chicka.....You know I woke up 3 times during the night and just had to look at what was being written.....I have never used the internet on a cell phone, but last night (as I didnt want hubby to know - he thinks we are all TOO obsessed) I kept waking up and checking. I think I may have to call it quits soon.....This is getting to me and is ABSOLUTELY affecting my everyday life.

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    I don't think it matters

    I don't think it matters who his alleged mistress is. There is a pretty good chance she either had little to nothing to do actively with Allison demise. Was she stupid for getting involved with a married man, duh!

    This talk about divorce and separation ... It's more likely to have bruised his ego than for him to be concerned about losing it all or custody of his daughters. Family law is very different these days (I know from experience). Unless there is proven violence over a long period of time he would have gotten shared care. As for property ..... Lose what? They had cars and a business losing money. He would have had to pay some child support perhaps if his income exceeded hers... If.

    IMHO I think that if he has done this, it will have been to save face. Clearly his family think highly of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willough View Post
    Good morning Chicka.....You know I woke up 3 times during the night and just had to look at what was being written.....I have never used the internet on a cell phone, but last night (as I didnt want hubby to know - he thinks we are all TOO obsessed) I kept waking up and checking. I think I may have to call it quits soon.....This is getting to me and is ABSOLUTELY affecting my everyday life.
    wow that's not good you must be exhausted today ( i know i am)

    And would you believe Gerard didn't come into any of the nightmares at all??

    I hope things get better for you i guess we just read too much about it not realising how much it's affecting us

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    Quote Originally Posted by willough View Post
    Nahhhh, that's Nigel. PS : I think all young men living in South Africa or Zimbabwe do army training. It's like France, where you have to do 2 or so years service to your country.
    I don't think Gerard grew up in South Africa. He went to school at Toowoomba (Downlands College, as far as I know). They might have cadets, but that picture is a military issue firearm. I can't picturre Gerard having the spine to be in the army. I could be wrong on the photo though - maybe he has been in his brother's wardrobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyboredom View Post
    I don't think Gerard grew up in South Africa. He went to school at Toowoomba (Downlands College, as far as I know). They might have cadets, but that picture is a military issue firearm. I can't picturre Gerard having the spine to be in the army. I could be wrong on the photo though - maybe he has been in his brother's wardrobe.
    The Baden Clays came to Australia in the 1980s.....Gerard is the baby in that main army man with gun photo.

    STET - NO - Gerard is the little boy with the big grin....In Nigel's arms is Olivia.
    Last edited by willough; 05-08-2012 at 08:30 PM. Reason: STET - Error in information

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    Don't hesitate to let me know if the following point has already been discussed thoroughly or is inaccurate.

    Some days ago someone posted a link to a Century 21 "for sale" blurb for GBC's parents' (presumably previous) house. It appeared to be far larger and more luxurious than the parents' current house. I think the blurb was archival & there was no indication of when it was for sale.

    I could be wrong about the difference between the houses because I've gleaned what I know of the current house from web photos from the front yard. Although its normal for older people to downsize their home, another reason could have been financial hardship.

    I'm sure I've read on a Century 21 "meet the team" (now defunct) webpage that NBC was a partner in the agency & that implied a financial contribution - which would be normal in a partnership.

    So, if GBC and those he borrowed from have lost $$$$, then NBC is likely to have as well. Hence, a possible reason for downsizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyboredom View Post
    Sorry I have been out of the loop on what's been posted in the latest thread or 2, and understand people have already confirmed Allison's children were not home on the Thursday night.

    This is the first time I've seen it in print :
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226350333476

    "It is now more than three weeks since Mrs Baden-Clay's three girls saw their mother for the last time, when she dropped them off for a night with their friends."

    Hope that's not repeating anything previously posted. It would tally with the comments someone claimed Allison made to her hairdresser too, and other comments from people suggesting they knew her.
    I had mentioned that it sounded like originally, the kids were not there the Thursday night, many many threads ago now. Most people thought otherwise, but it made perfect sense that someone would look after the kids the night before - especially as she would have had to have gotten up early to get ready & head in to the conference, which would have been difficult with the girls there to get them ready & to school early that morning.

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    Posting for the first time. This case has really hit home to me for many reasons. Have been reading along and trying to keep up anyway...

    Is it definitely fact that the children were not at the house on Friday morning when the missing persons call was made and the police arrived. The news paper clipping saying that they were dropped off at a friends house could have also confused the situation...

    The one thing that keeps coming up for me is maybe in fact the children were having a sleep over at the grandparents house. Could it be possible that the children were removed from the grandparents home and transferred into GBC car off the roundabout maybe in the shopping centre and brought back to the family home... Hence the something significant happening at the round about?? GBC thoughts were for an alibi and the reason he couldn't leave the home to look for Allison. Maybe a stretch.... Can't see why GBC would have been at the family home if they were in fact separated or why wouldn't he be looking after the children and taking them to school Friday morning if he was living there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willough View Post
    The Baden Clays came to Australia in the 1980s.....Gerard is the baby in that main army man with gun photo.

    STET - NO - Gerard is the little boy with the big grin....In Nigel's arms is Olivia.
    Ah sorry I have completely confused the reference, I thought the original poster was saying the military uniform was Gerard. I am not thinking of Nigel and Gerard as interchangeable. Scary. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbie Elliott View Post
    Don't hesitate to let me know if the following point has already been discussed thoroughly or is inaccurate.

    Some days ago someone posted a link to a Century 21 "for sale" blurb for GBC's parents' (presumably previous) house. It appeared to be far larger and more luxurious than the parents' current house. I think the blurb was archival & there was no indication of when it was for sale.

    I could be wrong about the difference between the houses because I've gleaned what I know of the current house from web photos from the front yard. Although its normal for older people to downsize their home, another reason could have been financial hardship.

    I'm sure I've read on a Century 21 "meet the team" (now defunct) webpage that NBC was a partner in the agency & that implied a financial contribution - which would be normal in a partnership.

    So, if GBC and those he borrowed from have lost $$$$, then NBC is likely to have as well. Hence, a possible reason for downsizing.
    Im pretty sure that ended up being an error of information. The poster saw the names "Nigel and Elaine Baden Clay" on the page and presumed it was their home. When it was infact a property they were marketing as Real Estate Agents. It wasnt their property....Just one being sold through Century 21. Nigel and Elaine were the agents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyboredom View Post
    Ah sorry I have completely confused the reference, I thought the original poster was saying the military uniform was Gerard. I am not thinking of Nigel and Gerard as interchangeable. Scary. My bad.
    Nooooooo....Not a problem at all hon.....PS Need a get out of jail free card....lol (I do giggle at that emoticon)

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