This person is in the business of giving massages and gets picked up in cars by high rollers, apparently. Is this his first rodeo? Never been propositioned before and thought about a game plan if and when that should ever happen? Has he sued other clients or does he wait for the most famous one to come along before he takes action? If the masseur is gay, would it be THAT psychologically damaging for someone to suggest the route of a happy ending?
I'm trying to get the picture of what an 'assault' entails? To me an 'assault' is when you are forced, detained and/or put in a position of bodily harm or have been forced to perform a deed (like at gunpoint) that you didn't want to do. Would someone asking for something constitute claiming an assault? Even if he got a little handsy, would that be an assault? Say 'no' and walk out. Where is the 'assault' word coming from?
The receipts prove Travolta was eating in a resturant in NYC at the time of the assault IIRC. His plane was logged also flying from LA to NYC, and it stayed overnight, again during the time the masseuse says he was assaulted.
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ya, I'll say. LOL.
It's not like it's not been tried before.
Methinks, Travolta must have a movie coming out soon.
*emma runs to google*
ah, yes. He does. Savages. due July.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savages_%282012_film%29"]Savages (2012 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
oooo...NICE cast! Benicio, Salma, Travolta & Uma too.Savages is an upcoming crime–thriller film directed by Oliver Stone. It is based on the novel of the same name by Don Winslow, who co-wrote the script with Stone and Shane Salerno. The film is set for release July 6, 2012, and stars Taylor Kitsch, Aaron Johnson, and Blake Lively.
I wouldn't put it past these "defendants" to time their blackmail scheme around a blockbuster release. You know, hoping someone would just pay them to go away and be quiet.
IMO, that's when you usually hear from the opportunists.
And now this from the plaintiff John Doe:
Translation - Hey c'mon. Quit making a big deal out of this - I just wanted a little hush money and now it's not hush anymore. Darn!'In consideration of that, I ask the public to not judge anyone, and allow all parties to work things out in a respectful and dignified manner, and if these matters do go to court than only that final decision past appeals, etc should be considered a definitive statement on 'guilt' or 'innocence'.'
Anyway, it's just a theory.
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[quote=Woe.be.gone;7899450]It's more than that though because it's JT's reputation at stake. If he wanted to be out then he'd be out. If he's not gay then it's a bald faced lie and damages his reputation and hurts his family.That's what Tiger Woods did imo.If he's a closet gay, it still hurts his family. If that's the case, it will hurt his image with the people who have always wished him well. When people are famous, they betray their fans when they betray themselves.
Maybe his wife knows and doesn't care. We don't know anything about their marriage. I don't know how it would hurt his image. The world is slowly becoming more tolerant toward the gay community. His career as a romantic lead are probably over anyway. If his fans would be upset that he was gay or bisexual, he would be better off without those fans.
I don't understand why famous people have to tell us who they sleep with. Again, if he's bisexual and Kelly Preston knows and loves him anyway, why should we care? One of my favorite actors, Sir Ian McKellan, is openly gay and it sure hasn't hurt his career. Most of Travolta's fans are adults and should be mature and intelligent enough to not believe in fantasies about their favorite stars. I'm old enough now to understand I'll never marry Leonardo DiCaprio. Not to say, I would turn him down either.It doesn't matter who they are if they're honest about it but if who they portray themselves to be and who they are is different then they fool us. I'm not sure who the people are who take it upon themselves to make sure the world knows the truth about someone but, if you're a fan who believes the facade image, then it's disappointing to find out otherwise.
Oh, this is common knowledge in Hollywood. Yes he is gay and has visited bath houses since the 80s. Why won't he just be honest with his fans? I guess he believes they will reject him and many people don't know the truth and he likes to keep a facade escpecially since his religion doesn't believe in it.
Here's some good reads about John Travolta's preferences:
Also, I don't know what you might know of the entertaining business, but being hit on for jobs,or whatever does not constitute the big day to some. It does not mean the first time at rodeo. It may be disturbing. It may mean your job is at risk, it may mean you do not work that day if someone hits on you,and you do not handle it correctly. That is a power play and it can be used.
Having an actor who feels they can disrobe because they are higher up than you may not be an assault but it certainly is not a light situation. It is an awkward situation. It is not like joe, john or sue hitting on you.. It happens in the real world. It is not what I would call a "Walk in the park."
PS this happens in the biz world too.
John Doe No. 1 in John Travolta sex abuse lawsuit dropped by attorney, report says
John Travolta has one fewer men suing him for sexual assault, at least for now.
John Doe No. 1, who filed suit on Monday with attorney Okorie Okorocha, has been dropped as a client by Okorocha, RadarOnline.com reports.
The move comes after the plaintiff said he got the date of the alleged assault wrong, this after Travolta's team produced evidence the actor was in New York on the day the accuser said he was attacked in Los Angeles.
"Okorocha did not feel he could represent John Doe #1 going forward anymore and recommend him finding another lawyer," a source told RadarOnline.com. "He is still representing John Doe #2 and other alleged victims who are possibly coming forward."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...#ixzz1uab9eWoU
IMO JT is gay. I believe that over the years there have just been too many rumors and allegations and smoke to not know that there is a fire. That said, it's nobody's business but he and his wife. And his true fan base shouldn't be disillusioned or upset by that. I can only imagine the excruciating choice it must be for someone to be open about their sexual orientation and after having lived the facade for so long now, he probably feels trapped. I think the real problem and hypocrisy lies with his choice of "religion". It does disgust me that he denied for years his son's obvious autism due to the fact that as per Scientology, autism doesn't exist. If you can make peace with living a lie or somehow find a family dynamic that works for you and all parties involved, so be it and everyone should be able to live their lives in whichever way fulfills their personal needs. However, when it comes to your children, a parent has to be their advocate and I can't imagine allowing a religion to dictate whether or not I take action to help my child live to their best potential and seek whatever help he or she might require to treat a illness/syndrome/disease etc....it's one thing to believe in aliens sprung forth from volcanoes or whatever "knowledge"the Scientology "clears" are privy to. It's another to be delusional and blind to what is right in front of your face because your religion commands it as in regards to physical and psychological health. I have no interest in watching someone be "outed". These people should slither away from whence they came. But if/when it comes to exposing Scientology for what it is, I'm all for it.
Who cares if JT is gay or not? And why should it be our concern? Do you enjoy his movies? Live and let live! Enough said.
So the first accuser didn't even originally pick a date when Travolta could have possibly done it?
And when Travolta presented evidence he was elsewhere the accuser says he got a date wrong?
Why should I believe any of it, then?
Rich celebrity makes a good target.
Just my opinion
Yeah, John Doe #1 who started this whole kerfluffle turns out to have picked a day when there is mounds and mounds of evidence that his story was complete fabrication.
What I am waiting to see is what John Doe #2s story is. I find the whole thing very shady.
Personally I think it is all about timing. JT makes for a good target and his sexuality (long questioned by some) makes the perfect means of trying to extort, er I mean Settle out of court with) from a celebrity with a new movie coming out soon.
Sleuth: to act as a detective: search for information: to search for and discover
Show me the evidence, give me the facts.
Again, I have no knowledge as to whether the charges against JT are true. But we don't require sexual harassment victims to quit their jobs rather than filing suit, and that's basically what this lawsuit is: a sexual harassment claim.
There is no smoke without fire, that's what my wise old nanna used to say.
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man, the details in that lawsuit are astounding
but if he got the date wrong, then well ...
and yeah, I have the same question as others, what was plaintiff's penis doing out of his pants if he was there only professionally hmmm?
Don't ya think if John Travolta was all up in your personal business, you might remember then when and where?
I anticipate the cases filed thereafter will be found bogus as well.
I feel for him and his family for the slime that come out of the woodwork to try to extort money out of him.
One answer is what you've suggested: that there's some factual basis to the rumors.
But I think it's also possible that once a rumor of this kind takes flight, it lends credibility to additional rumors.
If a gay man claims he was sexually harassed by Brad Pitt, who is going to believe him? But claim it was John Travolta and the story immediately gains some traction and, it appears, a certain number of believers.
Actually, there have been rumors that Brad Pitt is gay. Also, George Clooney, Richard Gere, Leonardo DiCaprio, and just about every single other well known actor in the entertainment industry.
Type this into a Google search: " (insert actor name here) gay rumors", and you'll see what I mean. I just did it with the name Brad Pitt and got back 15,500,000 hits.
If this story had broken with the name 'Brad Pitt', or 'George Clooney', or just about any famous person's name instead of 'John Travolta', people would be writing the same things. "Oh, I'm not surprised, I've known he/ she was gay for years. Where there's smoke there's fire. I know so and so who knows so and so and know FOR A FACT that <insert celebrity name here> is gay".
Ugh. I look forward to the day when rumors are not taken as fact, just because they are often repeated. I look even more forward to the day when one's sexual orientation stops being the business of strangers.
"Where there's smoke there's fire"? ~ Not necessarily.
As a user of e-cigarettes, I can tell you that what often looks like smoke is nothing more than water vapor.
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I could care less if he is gay, straight, bisexual or asexual. That's his business, between him and his wife who obviously loves him. As long as it is between consenting adults, it's his business.
I think these stories are pretty much made up or not the whole story. The amounts they are asking are ridiculous. I am sure that professional masseuses have been trained with how to deal with a client who wants more than a massage. That's part of being a professional, dealing with people who expect more than you are expected to provide.
So the first guys case fell apart? And the other 2 only sued because the first one did? It's not looking so good for their case. Sounds like they were just jumping on the bandwagon looking for a big cash payday, or some quick hush money.
Is this the first time these masseuses have ever had an issue with a client? Probably not. So why single out JT? Oh that's right, he has money!! Since JT has money, these people were much more traumatized by what they claimed happened. They probably dont care about being right, they just want to get paid. If they wanted justice they would have pressed charges, not filed for millions of dollars.
I hope John pursues them and makes them go to court, proves them to be liars and gets money from them for his troubles.
Why not come forward when it supposedly happened? Why wait? It just looks fishy. maybe they were willing participants and got mad when he no longer wanted their services. Was this the only time they were with him?
I need to know more before I make any real judgements but for now I am just thinking it looks flimsy, ridiculous and like some people out for big money.
And scientology? Well, that just creeps me out. It seems so cult-like and so bizarre. I have no idea why anyone would be so into it. They make some pretty weird claims and bombard public libraries with their books videos and just plain crap. We'd get boxes of it and not even open them. Nobody ever checked any of it out, no one was interested. But that is his religion, and again, that is his business.
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