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    Trial Thread 10 May 2012 - Judge's Instructions and maybe deliberations!

    Trial Discussion Thread:

    reposting a few of the warnings:

    Okay everybody - LISTEN UP! We are not bashing, accusing or blaming Tori's family here. It won't be allowed.

    Children walk home from school every day without incident. Parents are not perfect, it's just not possible. Tori's parents DID NOT do this to her. TLM and an accomplice DID. That is where the blame goes.

    We had a lot of family bashing in the early parts of this investigation after Tori went missing and a lot of baseless accusations - NONE OF WHICH PROVED TO BE TRUE. Victim and family bashing will not be allowed during this trial.

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    Trial Thread 10 May 2012 - Judge's Instructions and maybe deliberations!

    Please continue here. Hoping the Judge doesn't take any longer than necessary. I want him to get everything out and NOT cut any corners, just hoping that it goes quickly.

    Salem

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    *Bump*

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    Good Morning!



    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    The judge will give his final instructions to a London, Ont., jury today before they begin their deliberations in the trial of Michael Rafferty, who is accused of raping and killing eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford.
    Court is scheduled to begin at 9:30 a.m. ET, a half-hour earlier than usual.

    Justice Thomas Heeney said the extra time would increase the chances he could finish his charge in a single day, explaining it would be lengthy and cover a number of legal issues.
    Terri-Lynne McClintic and Michael Rafferty are alleged to have abducted Victoria (Tori) Stafford on April 8, 2009. (Canadian Press)
    The jury will begin deliberations once the instructions have been completed.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...s.html?cmp=rss
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Mh-lLFmiXUw


    VIDEO:

    Crown Attorney's Kevin Gowdey, Michael Carnegie and Brian Crockett captured outside of London's court house during court recess May 9, 2012 of first degree murder trial of Michael Rafferty

    Heart-FM Reporter Blair Wilson speaks with Tori Stafford's Aunt: Rebecca Nichols following near completion of Crown's closing argument: (at video)


    http://www.1047.ca/local-news/michael-rafferty-trial



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    goodmorning peeps!

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    Wonders if MTR will be on best behavior for the judge or will he continue his eye rolling and scowls. Wonders if he will be in court today or if he will just appear by video conference due to his facial problems yesterday. MOO
    As always, JMO

    Evil is; as evil does.


    Prayers for Jun Lin, his family and those that love him.
    Justice is patient, relentless in its pursuit and is on the march for Justin Lin....

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    Sillybilly, I could not bring over your final post from the other page however I wanted to respond to it. Thank you for sharing with us, and as one parent to another I can not imagine what you have suffered, but you are an amazing person for being able to go on. God bless you *hug*
    Sympathy is prejudice disguised as pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison View Post
    Sillybilly, I could not bring over your final post from the other page however I wanted to respond to it. Thank you for sharing with us, and as one parent to another I can not imagine what you have suffered, but you are an amazing person for being able to go on. God bless you *hug*
    Same here for Sillybilly. Losing my daughter would be my worst possible nightmare. I'm so sorry for your loss. xo


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    Good morning.

    I'm so very sorry for your loss sillybilly. I can't even imagine.

    I'm very interested to hear the instructions.

    I was reading posts from earlier today and wanted to post regarding the discussion on the speculation about a drug debt. It would be very rare for sure, and in two other cases with the kidnapping of a child, one I think was described as being related to a drug debt, the other it was speculated about but the motive has not been revealed by LE imo. Both cases though the children were able to return home safely thank God.

    TM testified to JG having ripped drugs off of someone.

    TLM testified that TM and JG didn't owe her money, but they may owe money to others.

    TLM and TM did not testify that the debt was not owed to TLM's mother.

    I believe it was never stated in court who the money was owed to.

    JMO I think who the money was owed to might possibly be revealed to the public during deliberations.

    My heart goes out to Tori's family, such a brutal horrific crime, and the loss of a beautiful innocent child.
    "I learned that it is the weak who are cruel, and that gentleness is to be expected only from the strong."~Leo Rosten

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    Fingers crossed the judge gets through his entire charge today so the jury can begin their deliberations. This needs to be over for Tori's family, to hear all the horrendous details must be so heartbreaking for them, i think about how we all feel about this and cannot even fathom what it must be like for her family.

    Justice is coming sweet girl

    Sillybilly, I am also very sorry for your loss, thank you for sharing your story, my heart goes out to you.

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    Once the jury starts deliberations, do they go home for the night or do they stay in a hotel and meet with each other until a verdict is decided?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Once the jury starts deliberations, do they go home for the night or do they stay in a hotel and meet with each other until a verdict is decided?
    Well the judge told them to being their Pajamas and toothbrushes, so I don't think they will be going home until they reach a verdict.... Not sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    Once the jury starts deliberations, do they go home for the night or do they stay in a hotel and meet with each other until a verdict is decided?
    They will be sequestered. No going home tonight if the Judge finishes today.
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀

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