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    The first interrogator seems to talk too much.


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    I think it's a huge error in judgment to release interrogation interview tapes. Essentially, it seems to me that it will make all of their tactics ineffective because the most dangerious sociopaths and antisocial personality disorder people will study them.

    MR seems to be in charge a bit ... he seems to be gathering information throughout the interrogation, trying to figure out how much police know and how much he can get away with. It's like he's scheming the entire time after he quits snivelling and wretching ... because his "life" is now rotting in a concrete box. Whimpering about "not being able to take care of his mom" is absurd since we know that her boyfriend moved out because MR was taking advantage of his mom.

    When MR asks if he can watch the video of TLM accusing him, he wants more information ... he wants to know what police know. Slimey guy ... thinks he's really clever.

    All the slimey whimpering is interesting to watch ... I expect this is how he got others to give him whatever he wanted. That whiney voice didn't suddenly appear during the interview ... I get the impression that MR is trying to control the interrogator. The interrgator plays along, trying to give MR an out for what happened. The interrogator wants MR to admit that much so he pins himself to a story.

    While the officer is talking about the drug use, porn, abduction, rape and murder, MR has a vinyl blanket over the lower part of his body.

    He's quite the little cry baby when he doesn't get his way. I wonder if he snivelled with the 13 women (including TLM).

    ref: video 3


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    I think that this interrogation process provides another interesting comparison to the US interrogation laws. In US cases, we always hear about the accused right to have a lawyer present during interrogation. MR is asking for a lawyer, but the questioning doesn't stop. This is similar to how it is done in England and Italy (Joanna Yeates, Meredith Kercher).


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    If there's anyone out there who can't watch the interrogation videos from the msm sites, here it is on YouTube.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkHJ7mf3fLw&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkHJ7mf3fLw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uW9Q8lQ-OQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uW9Q8lQ-OQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caVUFqxSjU&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2caVUFqxSjU&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l_Y2YY4gjw&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l_Y2YY4gjw&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]


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    Given MR interest in choking and TLM describing Victoria as gurgling, I think there's a good chance that MR murdered Victoria. TLM may have kicked her, stomped her or hit her with a hammer after she lay lifeless on the ground, but I think MR wanted to really try the snuff experience with a real live child.

    "Indeed, Mr. Rafferty actually had one of his reluctant partners sign a waiver, giving him consent to choke her. “I agree to what Mike and I are doing tonight, sexual choking and passing out and other things,” it read.

    The sexual choking had some real significance given Ms. McClintic’s evidence — in her first version of the killing, when she claimed it was Mr. Rafferty who did it — that she had heard a “gurgling” sound coming from Tori in the moments before her death.

    She interpreted that to mean the little girl was being choked, a practice with which she was not unfamiliar."


    I think that this is open to appeal if need be: "But, while admitting that “at the time of the search, no binding authority indicated that the police were obligated to obtain a [separate] search warrant” to examine the laptop, Judge Heeney nonetheless found that Det.-Sgt. Gast took “the risk” the law might change."

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...erty-evidence/

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...erty-evidence/


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    I have a headache. I believe it's from the trial today. I hope the jury reaches the right verdict. I can't believe they withheld ALL that evidence! I knew some of it, but the extent of it...OMG is all I can say. I agree with whoever said it's like he's from another planet. Planet Depraved. How does someone get to be this way!?

    As for the people who were defending MR...well, as someone mentioned, it's possible (likely, IMO) that some of them had more than a passing interest in the case. If that's the case, I feel for them; I really do. They don't really have much choice but to accept it now, but it would be a hard thing to come to terms with. I feel for his mother, too--though I do wish we could hear what she has to say after today's bombshells.

    I would like to know more about this "disconcerting behaviour" he showed around some of his girlfriends' children. Was there any more information about this that I missed? What sort of behaviour are we talking about? Why weren't they allowed to testify to this on the stand? Yay to CS for going for broke and throwing the escort information out there, at least.

    One of the articles mentioned him trying to find a wife from an Asian country, "for a price, of course." *shudder* That, the first rape, the necrophilia searches, the epileptic searches, the "naked girl hanged" (or whatever that one was) searches, the "children for sale" (WTF!?) searches...the depths of his depravity are overwhelming to me. You would think he radiated evil. But apparently he didn't. That's pretty scary! I have to wonder if people who thought he was their friend ever had a "something's not right here" moment around him.

    Oh, and one more thing: someone said yesterday they thought perhaps TLM was safer when she was arrested. I now think you were right. She might have been next, IMO. I think she's lucky she got out of that field alive. Remember her blood mixed with his DNA in the car? I have to wonder about that.

    Speaking of TLM, I can't say I think she was an "innocent dupe." However, she was young, she had a crappy life, and she really would do anything for a little bit of love. I'm not saying any of that's an excuse, but I cannot deny having a teeny, tiny bit of sympathy for her, too. I think if she had never met him, she might have had a chance. I don't think she's a psychopath, but I think he is. I'm glad she's in jail, though. That's where she belongs. I hope he is soon to follow.

    I could babble on all night, but I'll spare you. One more thing, though--I don't believe in the death penalty. In this case, however, I'll be damned if I can remember why. I'd like to take him out myself.


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    Mac or IPad videos: see Calgary Sun

    Quote Originally Posted by Flossie JMO View Post
    thanks for posting Flip, wonder why I can't view them? happens to me with a lot of videos for some reason? anyone know?

    My IPad will not play video by London Free Press either.
    Try this link: all parts of video are there.
    And other papers by Sun group.

    http://www.calgarysun.com/videos/com.../1632696064001

    I watched the 40 min edited video earlier tonight. I always wondered if Det. Smyth had interviewed MR. Now I know. IMO MR is what Smyth stated, a psychopath. And when he comes in with Terri-lynn...
    Worth the watch.
    I am just sick about the warrant issue and how more motive and sexual deviance evidence was lost in legal wrangling. IMO the judge had to keep it out. I think it would of been an item appealed.

    If he is found guilty of a lesser offense (than 1st), maybe the regular jail roommates will show him the google version prison 11pm search.


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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    Given MR interest in choking and TLM describing Victoria as gurgling, I think there's a good chance that MR murdered Victoria. TLM may have kicked her, stomped her or hit her with a hammer after she lay lifeless on the ground, but I think MR wanted to really try the snuff experience with a real live child.

    "Indeed, Mr. Rafferty actually had one of his reluctant partners sign a waiver, giving him consent to choke her. “I agree to what Mike and I are doing tonight, sexual choking and passing out and other things,” it read.

    The sexual choking had some real significance given Ms. McClintic’s evidence — in her first version of the killing, when she claimed it was Mr. Rafferty who did it — that she had heard a “gurgling” sound coming from Tori in the moments before her death.

    She interpreted that to mean the little girl was being choked, a practice with which she was not unfamiliar."


    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...erty-evidence/
    I don't know what to think right now.

    Last night I was thinking about the OJ Simpson trial and the stuff that came out after the verdict that the judge had ruled the jury could not hear.

    I thought that something similar was going on here, that there was very damning evidence that Rodney knew about that the jurors couldn't hear and that is what he was fighting to keep himself from saying. This has just been such a ginormous bombshell though.

    I really did think that TLM had killed Tori, now I'm not so sure.

    I think it is much more likely that MTR told TLM specifically to buy a hammer, that it was apart of his demented snuff video fantasy life and why they needed to stop when they already had a knife.

    It does sound like he did drug the woman that he sexually assaulted, if so maybe there is a greater possibility they drugged Tori.


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    I like it when the interrogator tells MR to get rid of his f-n security blanket.

    Here's another link: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/r.../19743416.html

    Grounds for appeal: "But, while admitting that “at the time of the search, no binding authority indicated that the police were obligated to obtain a [separate] search warrant” to examine the laptop, Judge Heeney nonetheless found that Det.-Sgt. Gast took “the risk” the law might change."

    Blanchford
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    Quote Originally Posted by daisy.faithfull View Post
    I don't know what to think right now.

    Last night I was thinking about the OJ Simpson trial and the stuff that came out after the verdict that the judge had ruled the jury could not hear.

    I thought that something similar was going on here, that there was very damning evidence that Rodney knew about that the jurors couldn't hear and that is what he was fighting to keep himself from saying. This has just been such a ginormous bombshell though.

    I really did think that TLM had killed Tori, now I'm not so sure.

    I think it is much more likely that MTR told TLM specifically to buy a hammer, that it was apart of his demented snuff video fantasy life and why they needed to stop when they already had a knife.

    It does sound like he did drug the woman that he sexually assaulted, if so maybe there is a greater possibility they drugged Tori.
    I think that TLM was a big talker trying to sound tough with her Necro lyrics and MR bought the hammer for her to kind of dare her to go through with it. MR fully intended to go through with what he had fantasized about through porn, buying the hammer was to bind TLM to him as part of the plan. I think that Victoria was dead, lying on the ground and then MR encouraged TLM to use the hammer.

    MR's fantasy was to sexually asphixiate a young child during rape. He had every opportunity to do this because TLM helped him abduct a child, was afraid of what he would do, but still did nothing to protect Victoria. She helped him disguise what they did.

    I doubt that Victoria was drugged. I think that MR drugged his dates so he could do the kinky stuff he wanted to do. He didn't want anyone to know what he was up to so if the girlfriends were drugged, they wouldn't remember. He didn't care if Victoria knew what he was up to ... she wasn't going to tell anyone.

    It's interesting that the parents both screwed up (appeared deceptive) on the polygraph when asked about arranging someone to abduct the child, the mother and grandmother each suspected the other, and the actual murderers did rather well on their polygraphs ... with TLM having not failed.

    When I watch him, I think he is gay ... clearly I'm unable to read the signals. Anyone else think that if they met this guy they might think he's gay?

    He's so defensive and such a smart ass ... tries to be coy ... evasive
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    They weren't seeking to include searches for: ``transgender,'' ``she male,'' ``necrophilia videos,'' ``real rape,'' ``best program to download child porn,'' ``naked girl seazing (sic),'' ``seizures girl,'' ``seizures videos,'' ``epileptic naked,'' ``epileptic naked attack,'' ``real gang rape'' and ``peeing.''

    The investigation uncovered 13 women who reported that Rafferty had a penchant for sexual choking - some of which they said was not consensual.

    Investigators said they were told Rafferty had one woman who was reluctant to participate in his sexual violence sign a consent note, saying she agreed ``to what Mike and I are doing tonight sexual choking and passing out and other things.''


    One of the most startling pieces of evidence from the 15 women who were dating Rafferty in the spring of 2009 wasn't even supposed to come out.

    Charity Spitzig, who had been dating Rafferty for a year and was talking marriage, gave Rafferty $16,835 from December 2008 until May 2009, when he was arrested. The Crown had instructed her not to say where the money came from, but she nevertheless testified that she and Rafferty had decided she should work as an escort and give him the earnings.

    It did not go unnoticed by Derstine, who rose as soon as the jury left to denounce the ``grievously prejudicial'' comment, but assured the court he would not ask for a mistrial.

    He did ask Heeney to put a stop to the ``parade of women,'' saying it was wearing on him. The parade, Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey agreed, is ``wearing on all of us.'' Heeney sided with the Crown, who argued each woman had valuable evidence to add.


    I think there's more to it in my first bolded part, makes me say hmmm his voice. *scratches head* Sexually confused too maybe? MOO

    http://www.am980.ca/channels/news/lo...spx?ID=1702061
    Rest in peace Jeremy and Tim. Justice will prevail.

    RIP sweet Tori.

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    Planned and plotted to snatch a little girl off the street or stressed, drugged couple that made a bad decision?

    MR: "nothing is going to change what they say, even if they were 100% rootin for me, they would say bad things."

    What a sick puppy ... in a really bad way.

    Interrogators try to scare him with the media frenzy, then get into the DNA proof ... 30,000 skin cells per second (he claims), next they imply that they'll find evidence in Victoria's body, and MR doubts that investigators can locate the video from the Home Depo.

    When interrogators explain that video camera in parking lots is real ... MR continues to insist that his car will not be seen on video.


    I get it! ... MR said in his POF site that he didn't like "head games", but he constantly plays headgames. He's a smooth talker. Everything he says in his profile may describe him ... anyone have the link to that description? Thanks
    MR is expecting his escort girlfriend to bail him out ... only to learn that she's in another interview room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    It was a "faulty judge", not a "faulty warrant".
    Yup the same judge who made some snide remarks about falling asleep during some of the Crown's crucial testimony so he gave the jury an extended break.

    Did I mention how much I don't like this judge?
    Justice for Holly Bobo🎀


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    Overwhelming sadness for Victoria and her family.

    Just finished catching up and words can't express how sad I am for VS and family.
    I also think LE and the crown did a fabulous job presenting "almost everything".
    Just so shocking to take it in.
    I am also coming to the conclusion that LTM may not be the savage murderer she confessed to. I have always thought given the amount of help she did give investigators that she does have a level of humanity. Maybe, just maybe there is a small glimmer of hope for her.

    MR, I hope you rot in prison with or without the plexiglass.


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    I hope that MTR will not be granted an appeal if he is found guilty, but if he is, could the next judge allow the computer evidence to be presented?


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