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    Thanks to frayed knot for parsing the FF theory...until somebody can connect Sergio with the named defendant who changed his plea to something more than just a same last name I'm staying on the fence with that one. But then I have to say I just do not want to wrap my head around Sergio being a bad guy at all. Just don't want someone my brother played with to end up 'that way'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwilson View Post
    I agree. I don't know if its the AZ heat or the laid back lifestyle but we dont typically wear pajamas to bed either. If I say get your pajamas on my 6 year old usually wears a t shirt and panties or sometimes just the panties, lol! I was not thrown off at all by Isa sleeping in basketball shorts.
    Her brother seemed to think so in the 911 call.

    "She's probably wearing pajamas"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    That is not SC's brother.
    He is RC's cousin on her mother's side.
    He had a DUI in Douglas. Her side is from Douglas.
    He also had a DUI in Tucson, and in FL.

    What link are you looking for?
    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publ...aselookup.aspx
    The JM on her fb, in a photo with RC's kids, he says he's uncle. He's the one who has all the photos with boats and Florida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    That is not SC's brother.
    He is RC's cousin on her mother's side.
    He had a DUI in Douglas. Her side is from Douglas.
    He also had a DUI in Tucson, and in FL.

    What link are you looking for?
    http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publ...aselookup.aspx
    Wait, I thought "we" had determined that he is her step-brother?

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    12th Ave is southside, may be part of south Tucson. lets not forget that there are parts of Oracle and Grant roads that are rife with drugs and prostitution (No-Tel Motel anyone?) that people forget about....neither area is paticularly safe and is far from South Tucson lol. This side gets alllll the bad news though. I always laughed when people's eyes bugged out when I told them where I live. You are so right AZWildcat, the raspados over here are awesome! Some of the best restaurants are over here too...Guero Canelo, BK's, Littlw Mexico....nom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    *SPECULATION *

    It could be that Sergio did not sleep on the couch after everyone else went to bed. It is possible that one of the boys got up and did not see him on the couch.RC may well have realized that he did not sleep in her bed that night. MOO

    Possible that,say,the oldest boy told LE that when they took him back to the house that day. If LE had them do a re-enactment of the night in question. MOO

    Possible that LE might believe SC was in Isabel's room. MOO

    There is a reason for LE releasing that 911 tape right after the no contact order.
    Possible that SC asked/told one or both of his sons to say he was on the sofa during the night. MOO
    Sorry am again catching up..my apologies if this post lands randomly amidst an entirely different discussion..

    WRT above theory of possibly the boys and/or mom had observed there to be no Sergio on the couch at some point during that Friday night/Saturday morning.. IMO while I believe that to be a perfectly logical speculation as a possibility of what is the issue that came to light in the interviews that resulted in further CPS involvement and the voluntary agreement reached of Sergio at this time having no contact with his sons.. What Makes me believe that it's not something of this nature is due to the fact that both mom and sons are being openly expressive that they are not only highly upset with this decision of Sergio being removed.. But also adamant that their belief is that Sergio is IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER INVOLVED WITH THEIR DAUGHTER/SISTER's ABDUCTION..jmo..

    It seems to me, especially now with Sergio being 100% removed from the family.. Therefor in no way able to threaten, intimidate, or guilt any/all members of the family into not thinking/stating their thoughts of his possibly being in any way involved with Isa's disappearance.. That being the situation and the family STILL ADAMANT THAT THEY BELIEVE SERGIO TO BE IN NO WAY INVOLVED IN ISA's ABDUCTION.. That for me, personally speaks volumes and goes a long way.. Again, jmo.

    I feel extremely certain in this case specifically that if for a moment Becky Celis believed and/or was the least bit suspicious of her spouse, Isa's father to be in any way at all involved in Isa's disappearance that SHE WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO SUPPORT SERGIO OVER THE BEST INTEREST OF NOT ONLY HER MISSING DAUGHTER, BUT ALSO THE WELL BEING AND SAFETY OF HER TWO SONS.. I feel very certain of this.. Especially in this specific case..

    So, while I am still firmly planted on this damn fence I must say that the immediate family continuing to support and adamantly deny that Sergio is involved in their daughter/sister's abduction.. Especially in this case it does go a long way for me in my opinion of Sergio being responsible for why Isa is no longer here..

    As always jmo, tho!


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    We have never had any information on JM or uncle/cousin living in the Celis home, either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Richman View Post
    Or maybe he was concentrating on her so much, the details were fuzzy?
    Well where is the PANIC?????????????
    Your heart pounding up in your throat fear when you cant find your little girl!

    Damn i reember when my son was hiding in the clothing rack at Macy's and i couldnt find him OMG

    I was fearful!!!!1 screaming his name i was shaking.. security as called the store locked down..... we searched then heard him giggle

    He was hiding! Playing a game!

    All i could do was cry and hug him tight!

    I was never the same after that!

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    He dosent sound like hes very concerned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prima.facie View Post
    ...........and with that said.....

    One has to ask....how the hell did someone remove a little girl and keep her QUIET & STILL (not thrashing around trying to get away) and either take themselves AND a little girl thru a window (seriously, how does that work??) and over a wall (was she thrown over a shoulder -STILL QUIET and not moving- and napper climbed the wall? thrown over the wall onto the ground or in someone else's hands-STILL QUIET and not moving??) did they walk thru the house......quieter than santa on xmas eve?

    ....and no dogs....nor humans heard a thing....and the napper knew EXACTLY which room she just happened to be in....

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    how the hell is all of that even possible?
    Someone with access to sedatives...like those in the medical field...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    We have never had any information on JM or uncle/cousin living in the Celis home, either
    Says he's uncle when he was visiting in Arizona, going to Mexico to hit the beaches. Must make some money with the boats, yachting and traveling, just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Richman View Post
    I get what you're saying. I suppose my point was (which I never got to, in my post), is that we refer to whatever my kids wear at bedtime as their "pjs". If I tell her to get her pjs on, she may come down wearing the shorts and tshirt. Possibly the Celis family is the same.
    None of our grandchildren sleep in actual PJs except the ones who are 6 months old to two years old now.

    When they spend the night I tell them to go get their shower and put on their PJs and they come back in wearing a t-shirt and usually some type of boxer shorts or lose fitting shorts.

    I really didnt think many people slept in PJs anymore. I sure dont those things make me burn up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog.gone.cute View Post


    BBM: I totally agree ... and yes, it does make you think of "Toddlers and Tiaras" ...

    Hmmm ... also made me think of JonBenet ...

    JMO and MOO ...

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    When my daughter was in kindergarten she was invited to "Lizzie"s birthday. Lizzie looked to me like an african american/white mix so I was surprised to learn she was hispanic (at the time I did not know there were so many skin tones associated with Hispanic). At the party, all of the little Hispanic relatives (girls) had fancy dresses (like $100+) with crinolines, ruffled socks and patent leather shoes. They all had tasteful makeup and pierced ears, and their hairstyles were extravagent. The other kids all looked like normal american slobs, in jeans and t-shirts. To be fair, the party was at an indoor playground, so the casual attire really seemed more practical. But this particular Hispanic family definitely dressed their little girls up and spared no expense in doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    I personally cannot get over the no-contact CPS order for his other children. Even in Sky's case, Julia was allowed supervised visits with little M. In Kyron's case, Terri was allowed supervised visits with Kyron's half-sister. Even Josh Powell was allowed supervised visits.

    Something is seriously wrong if he is not allowed contact. But, that's just me and MOO.
    The no contact order put me on the fence. I still think this smacks more of a stranger/neighbor etc abduction from everything we know but there is a lot we don't.

    One thing that could be the reason for the no contact is finding child porn ala Josh Powell on his puter. The legal sort which uses adults or anime type figures but text shows that certain ones are children. Or child porn using adults (playing daddy's little girl or boy etc). This would cause a huge concern but not be something they can arrest him for. I could see him agreeing to the voluntary rather than have it nationwide news when he tries to fight it.

    I do think however that an arrest would have been made if it was blatant child porn..in fact it would be a perfect time to try and sweat the truth from him, keep him off the streets and take their time investigating the disappearance of Isa.

    However ugly secrets get exposed in criminal investigations, many which have nothing to do with the crime being investigated. This could be another case like when Jessica Lunsford grandfather had his record of a sexual offense exposed. Many jumped on it but he had nothing to do with her murder and kidnapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galiuro View Post
    Thanks to frayed knot for parsing the FF theory...until somebody can connect Sergio with the named defendant who changed his plea to something more than just a same last name I'm staying on the fence with that one. But then I have to say I just do not want to wrap my head around Sergio being a bad guy at all. Just don't want someone my brother played with to end up 'that way'...
    Gali, as someone who has known Sergio at some level, what do YOU make of his demeanor in the 911 call? The two public statements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by winterrose View Post
    The JM on her fb, in a photo with RC's kids, he says he's uncle. He's the one who has all the photos with boats and Florida?
    We discussed JM in so many threads, and I really never understood why.

    Yes, the JM on her FB has family in FL Keys who own boats.

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    OT/ The jury just convicted Steven Powell on all counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTT715 View Post
    Someone with access to sedatives...like those in the medical field...
    Heck you dont have to be in the medical field!
    sominex works its over the counter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prima.facie View Post
    ...........and with that said.....

    One has to ask....how the hell did someone remove a little girl and keep her QUIET & STILL (not thrashing around trying to get away) and either take themselves AND a little girl thru a window (seriously, how does that work??) and over a wall (was she thrown over a shoulder -STILL QUIET and not moving- and napper climbed the wall? thrown over the wall onto the ground or in someone else's hands-STILL QUIET and not moving??) did they walk thru the house......quieter than santa on xmas eve?

    ....and no dogs....nor humans heard a thing....and the napper knew EXACTLY which room she just happened to be in....

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    how the hell is all of that even possible?

    i think napping a baby would be much much easier than a 6yr old who can scream and fight back.....

    ...but hey, who am I to say...


    ETA....I know my comments are coming full swing to the beginning of this saga....but really, all we have are the basic fundamentals of....kid missing from bed....to work with.
    I have thought about this very much. There are a few options really, use of a fast acting drug such as chloroform to knock her out. Then he could have snuck out the front door OR I think there was a door leading from the den to the backyard. In that case though (den door) it would be a no-go since we have learned from the 911 call that SC slept on the couch. The perp also could have punched her and knocked her out. He then could have laid her down on the ground outside her window (it was pretty low) and then carried her out through the gate on the side of the house in the backyard that faces the street. Another is that he did whatever he wanted in her room either before or after killing her and then carried her out the other various ways I have described before.

    One thing I will say is the bedroom is pretty far from the master, so I could see not hearing anything. I just don't know how heavy of sleepers the boys were though. My son is a very heavy sleeper. I can go in his room, and clean and he doesn't wake up.

    Also, could be that SC had some drugs/alcohol that caused him to sleep really deeply, but then the perp would have to know this beforehand or he wouldn't probably try. Unless he had a weapon he could use to kill whomever got in his way.

    Add any ideas you have come up with, too. I think this is a very interesting area to discuss and theorize on since we have very little to go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHICANA View Post
    And that's the exact reason his 911 call is so suspect. If he'd thought his child had wandered off or was possibly with another family member, I might be able to understand his reaction. But he stated he thought she was abducted, stolen from her bedroom by a stranger and he is perfectly calm and manages to laugh. I don't see how he'd be that calm if he'd actually hurt her either, but IMO he knows what happened to her. Can't remember who said it on NG, but it fit - " Hi , this is S C-e-l-i-s, my daughter's been kidnapped and I'd like a large pizza, pepperoni & extra cheese please."
    I've heard another parent that sounded like that Chicana. That's the reason I'm quoting your post. To share it, I remembered a few days ago and just didn't post it.

    Brett Smith's mother called 911 after she found her son beheaded in his bathroom. She calmly called 911 and told the operator that her son was in the bathroom "but his head is missing". She even stiffles a giggle.

    She didn't kill him. So (not directed at Chicana) for that reason and other 911 calls I've heard I just can't determine what someone's involvement is because of their tone or inflection during a 911 call.

    (there is a video of the call B. Smith's mother made to 911 on youtube if anyone wants to hear her).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamamia54 View Post
    Oh come on, there have been plenty of times I'd have liked to say the same thing, maybe in a slightly different way, but still. I wasn't at all offended by this post, or poster.
    It gets old when people continue to poo poo on everything and call it weak or unworthy of discussion. This is not a popularity contest and ALL I, and many others, are trying to do is figure out what happened to Isa. That. Is. All.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Her brother seemed to think so in the 911 call.

    "She's probably wearing pajamas"

    http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/files/polic...estigation.pdf
    Yes but my point is just that whatever she wore to bed could be called pajamas, not necessarily meaning proper "pajamas".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    We discussed JM in so many threads, and I really never understood why.

    Yes, the JM on her FB has family in FL Keys who own boats.
    OMG
    They are not Mexican they are Cuban!

    Anyone???????????????

    the Keys is the closest to cuba as ya can get!
    Boats HMMMMMM...........

    Just A thought peeps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAXIMUS View Post
    It gets old when people continue to poo poo on everything and call it weak or unworthy of discussion. This is not a popularity contest and ALL I, and many others, are trying to do is figure out what happened to Isa. That. Is. All.
    Yep, which is why I just sometimes sit back and give my thumbs up to certain posters and just stay quiet. I've stated more than once on several different cases that I'm not here to be popular, I'm here to attempt to find out the truth and help bring justice to both the missing, who have no voice anymore and to their families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    Sorry am again catching up..my apologies if this post lands randomly amidst an entirely different discussion..

    WRT above theory of possibly the boys and/or mom had observed there to be no Sergio on the couch at some point during that Friday night/Saturday morning.. IMO while I believe that to be a perfectly logical speculation as a possibility of what is the issue that came to light in the interviews that resulted in further CPS involvement and the voluntary agreement reached of Sergio at this time having no contact with his sons.. What Makes me believe that it's not something of this nature is due to the fact that both mom and sons are being openly expressive that they are not only highly upset with this decision of Sergio being removed.. But also adamant that their belief is that Sergio is IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER INVOLVED WITH THEIR DAUGHTER/SISTER's ABDUCTION..jmo..

    It seems to me, especially now with Sergio being 100% removed from the family.. Therefor in no way able to threaten, intimidate, or guilt any/all members of the family into not thinking/stating their thoughts of his possibly being in any way involved with Isa's disappearance.. That being the situation and the family STILL ADAMANT THAT THEY BELIEVE SERGIO TO BE IN NO WAY INVOLVED IN ISA's ABDUCTION.. That for me, personally speaks volumes and goes a long way.. Again, jmo.

    I feel extremely certain in this case specifically that if for a moment Becky Celis believed and/or was the least bit suspicious of her spouse, Isa's father to be in any way at all involved in Isa's disappearance that SHE WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO SUPPORT SERGIO OVER THE BEST INTEREST OF NOT ONLY HER MISSING DAUGHTER, BUT ALSO THE WELL BEING AND SAFETY OF HER TWO SONS.. I feel very certain of this.. Especially in this specific case..

    So, while I am still firmly planted on this damn fence I must say that the immediate family continuing to support and adamantly deny that Sergio is involved in their daughter/sister's abduction.. Especially in this case it does go a long way for me in my opinion of Sergio being responsible for why Isa is no longer here..

    As always jmo, tho!


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    And yet... in that interview where RC spoke, and had the two boys with her, she seemed like a new woman. She seemed calm and focused,and spoke very coherently. She really didn't seem angry about the no contact order... IMO she looked years younger too... Just odd... JMO

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    LE has said numerous times that the parents not ruled out as a POI's and on Monday, said not ruled out as suspects. They did not just say "no one is excluded"-they have made a point to say "including the parents" several times.

    So to me, that is where their interest lies and that is all I am going to say. At least until there is some real news.

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