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    Where was Trayvon's phone? How'd Trayvon's phone get broken? Was it in pocket(s) of his hoodie. Did the hoodie have kangaroo pockets? Any pockets? If it was in a pocket, would it have stayed in the pocket or come out? Was it found near the body?

    Phone to the nose? Ring to the nose?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma Peel View Post
    Where was Trayvon's phone? How'd Trayvon's phone get broken? Was it in pocket(s) of his hoodie. Did the hoodie have kangaroo pockets? Any pockets? If it was in a pocket, would it have stayed in the pocket or come out? Was it found near the body?

    Phone to the nose? Ring to the nose?


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    How about injuries were sustained due to falling into the bushes or coming in contact with low branches during a scuffle IF Trayvon was attempting to get away from a man wielding a gun..JMHO
    "It's been clear from day one that the contradicting statements from the family members are not the truth," said Capt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma Peel View Post
    Where was Trayvon's phone? How'd Trayvon's phone get broken? Was it in pocket(s) of his hoodie. Did the hoodie have kangaroo pockets? Any pockets? If it was in a pocket, would it have stayed in the pocket or come out? Was it found near the body?

    Phone to the nose? Ring to the nose?


    ...just noodlin' some questions...
    Trayvon wasn't wearing any rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stmarysmead View Post
    It does not matter, according to that law, if GZ had life threatning injuries...only what GZ believed about the danger he was in as TM broke his nose, straddled him and pounded his head into the ground.

    "Deadly force is justified if "the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant;"

    Witnesses gave statements that GZ was crying for help...TM was not stopping..so all reasonable means were "exhausted." I'm reminded of the movie star (Vanessa redgrave, I think) who died after a fall skiing...it doesn't take much sometimes with head injuries amd you don"t need blood.
    There was nothing reasonable about the decisions and actions GZ took that night. How can you claim you have exhausted every reasonable means to escape danger, when you track it down and run after it? Big brave George, defender of the neighborhood, Captain of the neighborhood watch, started more than he could finish and turned out to be a wimp. He couldn't even fight off a couple of punches from a 17 year old...lol...he had to kill him before anybody found out....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma Peel View Post
    Where was Trayvon's phone? How'd Trayvon's phone get broken? Was it in pocket(s) of his hoodie. Did the hoodie have kangaroo pockets? Any pockets? If it was in a pocket, would it have stayed in the pocket or come out? Was it found near the body?

    Phone to the nose? Ring to the nose?


    ...just noodlin' some questions...
    Phone was found on the ground near Georges's stuff. It wasn't broken as far as we know.
    .............Any man's death diminishes me because I am
    involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
    it tolls for thee. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emeralgem View Post
    Wait a sec... Are you saying there was an unarmed teenager lying dead on the ground and the responding LE officers allowed GZ to change clothes at the scene before he was taken to SPD headquarters?
    No, it happened at the police station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    Phone was found on the ground near Georges's stuff. It wasn't broken as far as we know.
    But it didn't work either due to discharged batter or getting wet per the info in the production

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Trayvon wasn't wearing any rings.
    Okay, that's right. I don't fight, so just asking <out loud> how a cut like that happens.

    I've actually seen similar cuts & swelling/bruising when wearer is wearing glasses - and gets hit in the face with a ball...

    Sorry - ooops - I actually thought the phone was broken - only b/c I sped-read that darn thing. "discharged battery" - and silly me, I'm thinking the battery popped out of the casing the way it used to happen with my former phone when I dropped it.

    (not ever happy when I do that ... and, yup ... that's why it's my former phone.)

    So the phone was dropped or fell out in the scuffle ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma Peel View Post
    Okay, that's right. I don't fight, so just asking <out loud> how a cut like that happens.

    I've actually seen similar cuts & swelling/bruising when wearer is wearing glasses - and gets hit in the face with a ball...

    Sorry - ooops - I actually thought the phone was broken - only b/c I sped-read that darn thing. "discharged battery" - and silly me, I'm thinking the battery popped out of the casing the way it used to happen with my former phone when I dropped it.

    (not ever happy when I do that ... and, yup ... that's why it's my former phone.)

    So the phone was dropped or fell out in the scuffle ...
    If I remember the story right they had trouble using the phone because of needing a pin number and by the time they got it to someone else the battery had gone dead and they did not have a charger.
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    it tolls for thee. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    Here a lot of them but not as detailed. http://wusa9.com/news/article/205733...mmerman-Injury
    I don't understand why GZ has no blood on him (that I can see, anyway). If he was under TM being beaten when he shot him, I would have thought there would be. Is it possible to have rolled out from under him quickly enough to avoid any bleeding on him?


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    The injuries look odd to me. The nose seems to have a straight-lone injury along the side, up to the bridge. It is hard to understand how he got the deeper lines on the back of his head, including what appears to be a curved gash going below his left ear.

    Maybe they scuffled on the sidewalk, but GZ chased TM to the grass where he was killed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    Some here and if you right click on them and do view image it pops up a very detailed photo.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1526045.html
    GZ is clean as clean can be. Are these new clothes he put on or are these the clothes LE took as evidence with blood on them (the report did say there was some blood on them, didn't it?) If these are the clothes he had on when he shot TM, he was standing and not underneath TM, no way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    GZ is clean as clean can be. Are these new clothes he put on or are these the clothes LE took as evidence with blood on them (the report did say there was some blood on them, didn't it?) If these are the clothes he had on when he shot TM, he was standing and not underneath TM, no way!
    They are the same clothes he had when he shot TM.
    .............Any man's death diminishes me because I am
    involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
    it tolls for thee. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel View Post
    They are the same clothes he had when he shot TM.
    All I can say is premeditated in cold blood!

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    Am I wrong or did I read in the forensics that articles of GZ's clothing was tested for blood and was positive?

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