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    Mmmmmppppffff.

    If the judge ain't happy, ain't nobody happy...

    Boy, is he pizzed....


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    Thanks to all for the alternate links for the live feed. I will check them out. What's going on this morning? I didn't see any feed that was up.

    REF. seeing the def. in my neighborhood. No, I don't recall, HOWEVER, the number of times before an arrest in the case, I would stand in line at the grocery stores in the area, (I'm omitting their names) and think to myself, that killer could be in line with me. I was always wondering if he was nearby....and he WAS. That is what is so horrifying. He was in our neighborhood acting like any other person.

    Did any of you come to this site the evening after the def's arrest? There were many posts on here for You Tube videos of the def. singing and playing his guitar. He used to play in a band around town. I can't recall their name. There was even one of him sitting on a couch with a couple of friends, singing and playing music, joking around, etc. By midnight that night, all of them had been taken down. Watching those videos of him singing and playing his guitar was quite surreal. I wonder if the state will use them to show that he seemed like a pretty normal guy in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    Mmmmmppppffff.

    If the judge ain't happy, ain't nobody happy...

    Boy, is he pizzed....
    Yeah, he wouldn't be a very good poker player. I was in the courtroom a few times (during the BC trial) when his face was so red he actually started to blend in with the wood paneling behind him. I think everyone squirmed in their seat a bit.

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    Thank you, I went back to ABC also. Well, I wonder what happens now. Personally, I would want to dismiss a juror such as this, as child care is certainly an understandable reason to be excused from the jury, and likely to be a repeat problem in the days to come.

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    LOL NCB. Ditto. He has a short fuse, that's for sure. Kind of a hot head who wears his emotions on his sleeve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laces View Post
    Thank you, I went back to ABC also. Well, I wonder what happens now. Personally, I would want to dismiss a juror such as this, as child care is certainly an understandable reason to be excused from the jury, and likely to be a repeat problem in the days to come.
    They are in a tough spot, because, if I have heard correctly, that will leave them with one alternate. I get the feeling that's what the judge wants to do at this point as he is concerned about this juror for multiple reasons, but it would be a risk to dismiss her.

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    DS said something about a half day, but WRAL was cutting in and out, so I didn't catch it. What was that based on? Did the MIA juror say she could possibly arrive for a half day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCB View Post
    They are in a tough spot, because, if I have heard correctly, that will leave them with one alternate. I get the feeling that's what the judge wants to do at this point as he is concerned about this juror for multiple reasons, but it would be a risk to dismiss her.
    Can't believe they didn't get 4 alternates, as they do in other cases. Talk about leaving themselves exposed.

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    Well, guess it doesn't matter cuz half day is out now. Continued til tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel...

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    They're scrapping testimony for today. Will resume Tuesday. Alert is on WRAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Can't believe they didn't get 4 alternates, as they do in other cases. Talk about leaving themselves exposed.
    Agreed--I'm sure they were worried the 12 jurors they had were going to start dropping like flies while they tried to seat further alternates. The comment about some jurors being more attentive than others was very worrisome also. Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCB View Post
    Agreed--I'm sure they were worried the 12 jurors they had were going to start dropping like flies while they tried to seat further alternates. The comment about some jurors being more attentive than others was very worrisome also. Not good.
    I noticed a few jurors in the JY trial not being as attentive as others. One alternate in the back would never take notes and, on a couple occasions I saw, was picking his nose. (yes, seriously). One older gent in the front would kind of zone out too. I think it's pretty common nowadays. We live in a culture where people can only absorb an average Twitter length message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    I noticed a few jurors in the JY trial not being as attentive as others. One alternate in the back would never take notes and, on a couple occasions I saw, was picking his nose. (yes, seriously). One older gent in the front would kind of zone out too. I think it's pretty common nowadays. We live in a culture where people can only absorb an average Twitter length message.
    That's very disappointing to hear. I didn't attend any of JY trial, so I missed out on that jury. I guess I'm not surprised--a bit grossed out (nose picking, seriously?), but not surprised. I didn't have much of an opportunity to observe the BC jurors because on my first or second day, the whole thing drama about them being stared at cropped up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Can't believe they didn't get 4 alternates, as they do in other cases. Talk about leaving themselves exposed.
    Hi, Mad74 - - IIRC, they initially went with 3 alternates -- I guess b/c it had taken so long to get the 15 jurors, they decided to press on with the trial -- then, just before the 1st day of the trial, they lost one -- but we never found out how/why... I feel sure that Gessner didn't make this 3-alternates-only jury decision by himself... I nearly went nuts when on the 1st day, JG said, "All 14 jurors are in the courtroom....." Ack....

    I am willing to bet that if this same thing happens to this juror again, she will be a goner....

    I also remember in one trial that was streamed from this courtroom, they had to dismiss one juror because her arranged ride downtown to the courtroom fell apart -- was this in Cooper?

    Re DH - It sounds like she must have had a pretty bad fall -- I think they said she was still in the hospital... but it also sounds like we will hear from her one way or the other. Buddy Conner didn't seem to mind if the PT shows a taped interview. I think the DT is looking at DH as fair game, which she is, but I think she may be a bit delicate (seriously)... I guess time will tell, as long as we have 12 human bodies in the jury box.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NCB View Post
    That's very disappointing to hear. I didn't attend any of JY trial, so I missed out on that jury. I guess I'm not surprised--a bit grossed out (nose picking, seriously?), but not surprised. I didn't have much of an opportunity to observe the BC jurors because on my first or second day, the whole thing drama about them being stared at cropped up.
    I took solace in the fact that in both cases the juries worked together and came to a unanimous verdict. And nose-picking alternate in the JY case stayed an alternate.

    The jury has to sit there through what can be tedious days of testimony. This is not a "who done it" murder mystery. The jury knows JW did it. But still the details have to be slogged through in court to get it all on record. I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two zoning out.

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    Well this doesn't bode well, does it. Did the judge say what kind of childcare issues? I mean is this an infant or toddler who needs care daily or a sick kid home from school, I wonder? And only two alternates.

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    Hi everyone ---I see we are closed for the day. I hope the baby/toddler/child gets better soon. It's a shame that the courts do not provide child care as part of one being a juror... it does put a lot of stress on people's time and cash, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracielee View Post
    Well this doesn't bode well, does it. Did the judge say what kind of childcare issues? I mean is this an infant or toddler who needs care daily or a sick kid home from school, I wonder? And only two alternates.
    You would think this kind of possibility would have been explored before the juror was selected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancy View Post
    Thanks to all for the alternate links for the live feed. I will check them out. What's going on this morning? I didn't see any feed that was up.

    REF. seeing the def. in my neighborhood. No, I don't recall, HOWEVER, the number of times before an arrest in the case, I would stand in line at the grocery stores in the area, (I'm omitting their names) and think to myself, that killer could be in line with me. I was always wondering if he was nearby....and he WAS. That is what is so horrifying. He was in our neighborhood acting like any other person.

    Did any of you come to this site the evening after the def's arrest? There were many posts on here for You Tube videos of the def. singing and playing his guitar. He used to play in a band around town. I can't recall their name. There was even one of him sitting on a couch with a couple of friends, singing and playing music, joking around, etc. By midnight that night, all of them had been taken down. Watching those videos of him singing and playing his guitar was quite surreal. I wonder if the state will use them to show that he seemed like a pretty normal guy in that respect.

    bbm

    Ooooh, Prancy - That's a great tactic! -- I hope the PT is planning on doing just that. I remember some of those clips -- he was lead singer in a couple of them, it seemed to me; and he did look like a regular guy just playing in a band, having a good time. I asked the couple of bassists I knew if they knew him & neither did -- the generation gap rears its ugly head! He had also written some of the lyrics, and they were pretty weird, but that's just the old g-gap again, I think...

    And your thoughts about standing in the grocery store lines.... just eerie & scary. And you probably never will catch up on the sleep you lost...


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    The only tidbit of info I got from it, glee, was that JG said that the father was the one who would come over & stay with the child. I did not hear why he did not come today, so it sounds to me as if the child is too young to be at home alone... but I could be quite wrong.... if that's possible


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    I felt the judge was out of line saying what he said in court today. He should have shared those feelings with the attorneys outside of the public earshot.

    So the juror calls in (that's if she did call in vs. them having to chase her down) with a sick child on a Monday (part of that Monday/Friday absence pattern maybe?). You'd think in their 100 page questionnaire they would ask, among all the other things, whether you have back up plans (plural) for your child and elder care responsibilities, especially for a death penalty, long session trial such as this. I have a feeling, based on nothing except gut feeling, that this juror is going to be a problem. And if this is a case of unusual extending circumstances, I will gladly eat crow.

    But the judge shouldn't have said what he said in open court. I hope he hasn't compromised this trial.

    Is there any way they could stop, back up, get 3 new alternate jurors, and then start over? I'm serious.

    And with DH in the hospital (she has to be a key witness), doesn't that compromise this trial if they only use her video? Isn't that a 6th or 14th amendment (right to confront the witness) issue?

    Happy Monday y'all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seattlechiquita View Post
    Hi everyone ---I see we are closed for the day. I hope the baby/toddler/child gets better soon. It's a shame that the courts do not provide child care as part of one being a juror... it does put a lot of stress on people's time and cash, eh?
    Good point, Coffeelandian -- if childcare were provided (and boy, would that be a PITA to arrange since I'm sure Wake County would want to contract it out due to liability), it would also allow more citizens to be on jury duty. Don't see it happening, but it would indeed be a good thing.

    Why do things that are so simple turn out to be so complicated?


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    Sorry to hear about DH's troubles. However, I am sure the proceedings would be a terrible addition to her burden. I am taking today to go over all the videotapes that I missed over the past few days. Childcare issues are a true problem, whoever suggested a daycare center for juror's kids....that's a great idea! It would surely improve on the number of available jurors. Re: the defendant, I am inclined to believe that he may have been in the house before....perhaps knew the owner left on trips occasionally, so was comfortable there, until he found he was not alone. Looking at him in the courtroom, I wonder what he is doing, I have not seen him look up at all. Mental issues aside, drugs and alcohol seem to always be a component in violent crime, don't they? Be that as it may, even if I was plastered, I'm not sure I would commit a violent crime.

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    Part of my own particular craziness: I love to hear the endless recitation of details regarding the evidence collection and picture identification. Somehow this endless listing of the facts comforts me. I am sure a lot of people, jurors included, find this part of the trial tedious and boring....but I am pretty rivited. Anyone else out there feel this way?

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    The judge has to put everything on the record, including comments he makes about jurors. Now, if he is having an issue with a juror and their conduct, he should address that directly with the juror, though it would still go on the court record with the court reporter taking down every word.

    The camera being on and capturing the comment makes it a bit stickier, but it's not illegal. Tacky, yes perhaps.

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