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    Quote Originally Posted by drew View Post
    I just wanted to make the correction that David wasnt driving the jeep but was a passenger. His brother Joe was the driver. They are Bobby's sons. The girl who was injured was Pam Kelley, David's girlfriend.
    Thanks for catching that. My head was swimming from all of the different cases involving the Kennedys and I mixed up names. So I appreciate you setting that one straight.
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    Cyrus C. convicted of 2004 arson in Harvey, La. that killed 4 people, including his 19-month-old daughter, his teenage girlfriend, the girlfriend's mom and GF's young brother (age 11). He was acquitted in 2008 (state charges) in 2008 and found GUILTY (federal charges) in 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snick1946 View Post
    Isn't it a bit unusual for a woman to kill herself by hanging? I am no expert but have researched lots of crimes and do not see this much if at all.
    Per the link below, hanging is more common for men than women. That being said, one of my best friends as a kid found his mother hanging in the garage; there was no suggestion of foul play.

    http://depression.about.com/od/suicid1/f/suicide.htm


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    Sorry all but Kennedy fan here. This family could sit home on the butts and live the high life but they were, are and still continue to serve the public. They do more good then people even realize.

    They are also human like all of us with a huge family. The media just loves to jump on anything Kennedy.
    I find this terribly sad and I did read that she left a note. Why she chose to hang herself is anyones guess. I was shocked when I heard it. Her children are young and my thought are with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampMama View Post
    It has been stated that Mary was found hanging. I will be interested to hear the details as they emerge.

    I cant help but be curious and slightly suspicious based on the decades long disregard , arrogance, or abuse of women by the kennedys.

    Starting with the Grandfather Joe who ordered his daughter Rosemary to have a lobotomy....
    Thank you for that history of Kennedy tragedies. I'm not sure they prove a pattern of animus against women any greater than the general population through the same periods.

    Lobotomies were being touted as wonder cures at the time of Rosemary's operation. Tennessee Williams' mother had his sister lobotomized around the same time, and Mrs. Williams was neither male nor rich.

    Drunk driving was very common at the time of the accident at Chappaquiddick. I don't say this to excuse Ted, but just to question whether we can extrapolate anything from his conduct in the matter.

    Likewise, the Michael Smith (I believe he was found not guilty, but assuming he did something) incident occurred when the concept of "acquaintance rape" was still fairly new in the national consciousness. Again, not a defense: I'm just saying that what he did wasn't unique to the Kennedys.

    Many of the accounts of JRK, Jr.'s accident blamed his wife's assertiveness for his recklessness. Fair? I have no idea. Ultimately, Jr. was the pilot, but he did kill himself along with his wife and sister-in-law.

    I don't think there's any question that the Kennedys are a large and rich clan, and that some of the members have demonstrated a sense of entitlement (no matter how much the family as a whole has tried to stress public service). But I'm not sure any of the incidents you mention were uncommon at the time (unfortunately) and so I don't know if we can make a case that mistreatment of women is a family tradition.

    (BTW I'm from a different corner of the country and have no sentimental attachment to any of the Kennedys. I'm just thinking out loud here.)


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    A housekeeper found the body of Mary Richardson Kennedy, 52, after she had committed suicide at the family's Mount Kisco estate in Westchester County, New York.

    Sources told The New York Times that the mother-of-four had left a suicide note, but its contents were not disclosed.

    They had four children - Conor, Finny, Kyra, and Aidan - together, none of whom were home at the time of her death.

    They range in age from 11 to 17 years old and spent the majority of time with their mother in New York while Robert Kennedy Jr had relocated to Los Angeles.

    Her eldest children were away at boarding school and the youngest were with their father.

    It was believed that Mrs Kennedy's funeral would be held on Saturday at St Patrick’s Church, Bedford before she would be buried at St. Francis Xavier Church in Hyannis, Massachusetts, according to HollywoodLife.com.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vGWbeI2M


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snick1946 View Post
    Isn't it a bit unusual for a woman to kill herself by hanging? I am no expert but have researched lots of crimes and do not see this much if at all.
    Hanging oneself doesn't cause a bloody mess like shooting or cutting yourself with a knife would. She could have taken a drug overdose but I guess if you take a drug overdose there is always a chance you might wake up so she hung herself instead. jmo


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    I wonder if Mrs. Kennedy had ever attempted suicide before?

    I suppose that if a person had tried suicide before (by taking drugs) but failed, he or she might decide to add hanging to the next overdose attempt to insure that if the drugs were insufficient to to kill, the hanging would seal the deal.

    I'm still stuck on the fact that her youngest child of the four is only 11, the oldest 17. Their lives will be completely overturned. Would she really choose to do such an awful thing to her children?


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    A wake was planned for Friday evening, Kennedy family publicist Ken Sunshine said. It will take place in the Bedford mansion that Kennedy, an architect, and her husband lovingly restored into an eco-friendly home after flooding left it infested with black mold.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/18/us/new...ath/index.html


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    Wake for Mary Kennedy after Judge settles fight

    The two sides of Mary Richardson Kennedy's grieving family faced off in court Friday, just hours before she was mourned at a wake at the estate where she committed suicide.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...rbs&id=8666861


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    Quote Originally Posted by TGIRecovered View Post
    I wonder if Mrs. Kennedy had ever attempted suicide before?

    I suppose that if a person had tried suicide before (by taking drugs) but failed, he or she might decide to add hanging to the next overdose attempt to insure that if the drugs were insufficient to to kill, the hanging would seal the deal.

    I'm still stuck on the fact that her youngest child of the four is only 11, the oldest 17. Their lives will be completely overturned. Would she really choose to do such an awful thing to her children?
    There are no reports that Mary tried to kill herself before but drinking under the influence certainly raises a red flag.

    Mary was mentally ill most of her adult life and her family was aware of it so they could have had her committed to a psychiatric facility without her consent or the Judge she appeared before could have had her committed as well.

    The two eldest children were at boarding school when this tragedy occurred and the two youngest children were staying with their father in LA so after she was charged with DUI, she might have feared she would loose custody of her children. None of the reports say why the youngest children were staying with their dad.

    I wonder who Mary's lawyer was?

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    Records in the couple's divorce case are sealed, but the public docket sheet showed that Robert Kennedy's lawyers had sought a contempt order in the case last summer, indicating a dispute between the two sides.

    "A lot of times, I don't know how she made it through the day," Robert Kennedy told The New York Times. "She was in a lot of agony for a lot of her life."

    Mary Kennedy killed herself after struggling for years with depression and alcohol.

    "She struggled so hard, for so long, with mental illness, which so many Americans suffer with," Kerry Kennedy said in brief remarks to reporters Friday outside the church where the funeral was planned. "She fought with dignity, and in the end, the demons won."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/18/us/new...ath/index.html
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    RFK Jr had moved on with his life, he was living in California. He had a glamorous (I have no idea who the heck she is in Hollywood)girlfriend. I think Kennedy men liked the blond starlets

    Joe Sr shuttled back and forth between Rose and Goria Swanson. JFK and Robert ....I have read courted a vulnerable Marilyn Monroe & dropped her when they got what they wanted.

    I think RFK oldest son Joe, married Sheila Rouch had twin sons divorced her ...asked for an annulment because of some dumb reason like "he didn't know his own mind". Joe (needed the annulment) because he wanted to marry (in the church)his second wife Beth.

    Then,there's of course RFK Jr, who wanted an annulment from Emily Black,his 1st wife ....they had 2
    children. RFK Jr,wanted to get hitched in the church ....his bride,Mary Richerson was six months
    pregnant. I could continue but it's just more egotistical brutish behavior from the Kennedy men.
    Mary was a loved mother,sister and daughter...boorish statements by a self
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    RFK Jr that she was so depressed for years....he didn't know how she was able to
    function....is a disservice to his children and to Mary's friends and family. Could someone send a
    memo to RFK Jr. that he should be respectful and grant dignity to her memory. .MOO

    Just when you think somewhere there must be some decency in RFK Jr (out of respect for their childrens' grieving)...you read this..
    Mary Kennedy suicide: Family criticizes media coverage.....
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    "It has also driven a wedge between the two families involved, according to the New York Daily
    News, leading to plans for dueling memorial services. Robert Kennedy Jr. reportedly ordered Mary
    Kennedy's sisters from the Bedford home when they arrived there this week following the suicide.
    The sisters had to seek a police escort in order to return to collect some of Mary Kennedy's personal papers, the Daily News reported."

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    http://www.q13fox.com/news/nationwor...,2639851.story
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    Maybe it's just me, but I think it was tacky that they (the Kennedy's) immediately released the fact that she had mental illness....was that ever publicized/rumored/mentioned before her suicide? Now there is fighting between the two families. What a mess.

    P.S. thanks everyone for the updates and family info & history.....I had forgotten so many of these incidents.


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    Mary committed suicide 3 days after Mother’s Day.

    I don't understand why Robert Kennedy’s lawyers filed a contempt order against Mary last summer. If Mary didn't want to grant Robert a divorce, would that cause a dispute?

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    Records in the couple's divorce case are sealed, but the public docket sheet showed that Robert Kennedy's lawyers had sought a contempt order in the case last summer, indicating a dispute between the two sides.

    Mary's lawyer is Kerry Lawrence.

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...ound-dead?lite


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    I don't know if any of this is true, but I hope and pray the Kennedy clan reaps EXACTLY what it sows, good or bad.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vEukva8d

    Read it and wonder.


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