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    Trayvon Martin's Autopsy

    PLease discuss here. Unfortunately we don't have any ME's or other similar verified experts in the forum. It could be very helpful.
    Hopefully some of our verified medical experts can help in certain areas if necessary.

    ETA: link to autopsy

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/im....pdf?hpt=hp_t1
    Last edited by JBean; 05-22-2012 at 10:24 PM. Reason: added autopsy link

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    No DNA from GZ under TM's fingernails.
    So that leaves out the wounds on GZ's head being fingernail scratch wounds.
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    I had posted this on another thread earlier in a response to Concerned Papa:

    Now that we have the ME's report that the shot was straight into the chest, I see I was wrong in thinking it could have been from L to R to do all that damage. But I am wondering if all this damage to the heart and lungs could be because of the use of the hollow point bullet. Don't they shatter and cause more damage to the body? The ME found fragments. Could that be what caused such damage to Trayvon?

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    I think the hollow point bullet is what caused so much damage.

    I was speaking to a friend of mine that is a detective. We were discussing this case.
    I brought up the hollow point bullet point. He said that's what he uses and suggested that a lot of people do.
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    We now know that TM was 71 inches tall (5' 9") and weighed 158 pounds = average height and skinny

    We also know that GZ wore a size 38 pants and an XL jacket = heavy guy or as the one witness referred to him the "Bulky Built Guy."

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    Can't remember where I read it, but the hollow point is used to assure a kill.

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    Interesting that Trayvon had no injuries other than the GSW and a very small abrasion to one finger on the left hand. I think GZ got hit in the nose/face with the butt of his gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just K View Post
    We now know that TM was 71 inches tall (5' 9") and weighed 158 pounds = average height and skinny

    We also know that GZ wore a size 38 pants and an XL jacket = heavy guy or as the one witness referred to him the "Bulky Built Guy."
    No, 71 inches is 5'11"
    Just my opinion

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    So, Trayvon was only 5'9"? What happened to all the talk of him towering over George?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.b.nora View Post
    So, Trayvon was only 5'9"? What happened to all the talk of him towering over George?
    Actually 5'11".
    Just my opinion


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    There was nothing in the autopsy that was a surprise to me. The intrathoracic damage was as I expected-- direct hit to heart, right ventricle. Not a survivable wound, even if he was in an ER. About 2300cc in the chest. Fragmentation of the projectile, with bits lodging behind the right lung-- projectile bounced around. Everything else pretty much heartbreakingly normal and healthy. Organs, sizes, etc. all look WNL to me at first glance.

    Tox positive for THC and THC-COOH (metabolite of THC-- not psychoactive). Low venous levels of THC mean he hadn't smoked/ ingested in the past hour or so, but anywhere from a few hours to a few days, according to some sources. His school suspension history suggests possible chronic use. Hair samples (both head and pubic) were retained and not sent-- opening the door for potential future testing for chemical exposure or chronic ingestion of a variety of substances. (Pubic samples are more accurate than head hair.)

    It seems a very straightforward autopsy report to me-- nothing odd or out of the ordinary. But I am not an ME. I'm going to go do a second read and see what other details I can glean.

    Adding link to a pic for reference. THIS IS NOT AN AUTOPSY PIC FROM TM. This is a surgical pic-- graphic, but highly relevant to our discussion. Occurred in South Africa-- patient was shot outside an ER. Pt was alive at the time of this pic, and died minutes later, according to the article. This is quite similar to the type of damage TM suffered. This pic is of damage to the right atria, which is called the "auricle" in the narrative.

    http://www.trauma.org/images/image_l...art_damage.jpg

    http://www.trauma.org/index.php/main/image/1223/C11
    *Note the position of the hemostat in the entry wound at the top of the pic. Follows the bullet trajectory into the chest and heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabelle View Post
    Can't remember where I read it, but the hollow point is used to assure a kill.
    As are guns.

    You should never pull a gun unless you are prepared to kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    As are guns.

    You should never pull a gun unless you are prepared to kill.

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    IMO, that's beside the point. The way I read it, hollow points assure mucho internal damage in a way other bullets don't. So, a hollow point is not going to exit the body. It is meant to spread and kill. Guns can also just wound. Hollow points as I understand it, guarantee the ultimate damage. So, I think, they are more likely to kill than wound. Besides, if this were not so, why get hollow points when any old bullet would do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementary View Post
    IMO, that's beside the point. The way I read it, hollow points assure mucho internal damage in a way other bullets don't. So, a hollow point is not going to exit the body. It is meant to spread and kill. Guns can also just wound. Hollow points as I understand it, guarantee the ultimate damage. So, I think, they are more likely to kill than wound. Besides, if this were not so, why get hollow points when any old bullet would do?
    I didn't know the difference as I am not a gun kinda person.

    But after talking to my detective friend and my husband, I don't think it's at all odd for the average Joe to use hollow point bullets.

    Both of the men in my example have them in their guns.
    They are both great people.

    Again, if you pull a gun, you should be ok with killing someone.

    In my husbands case, the gun is for protection.
    If someone messes with his family, they are getting a hollow point.

    I don't think that's uncommon or indicative of someone's character.

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    Couple things I noticed on my second perusal of the AR.

    Timeline & misc observations:
    *TM died at approx 7:30 pm on Feb 26 (Sunday)
    *Autopsy started 10:30 am Feb 27 (Monday) [15 hours after death]

    There appears some confusion about when the ME knew the identity of his subject. On some of the docs, birthdate and identity are listed as "Unknown", but in the narrative AR, the first sentence or so says the victim is a "....black male, appearing the stated age of 17....". IIRC, Tracy Martin was notified Monday morning when he contacted police to report TM missing.Tracy was shown pics, and identified TM this way. By the time the ME dictated the report, TM's identity was known. IDK if the ME dictates right away, or when he dictated. Just caught my eye.

    So, I'm wondering if confirmation of identity was coming in AS the autopsy was commencing. Not that it matters, but it caught my eye. No family or parental consent is needed for an autopsy for a homicide-- so the processing of the case was proceeding even as identity was being confirmed.

    *No outside officials (such as LE investigators) attended the autopsy. I don't know enough about ordinary procedure to determine if this is common when the death has been witnessed? Perhaps LE only attends if there is an unwitnessed or suspicious death. Dunno.

    *Bullet fragmented into 3 pieces.
    *Bullet entered between the ribs-- did not hit bone. (Any bone, including spine.)
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