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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    How would Trayvon have attacked Zimmerman and not end up having injuries to his hands?
    Trayvon's knuckle was abraded whereas Zimmerman had no injuries in his hands, signifying that only Trayvon was doing the punching and beating.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelymountains View Post
    And, IMO, it's looking more and more like TM did not get in one single blow. IMO It is impossible for TM to attack GZ and there not be any evidence whatsoever that he even touched him. My belief is that GZ got those minor wounds from hiding in a bush to waylay TM. And they are minor.
    Claiming that there is no evidence that Trayvon even touched Zimmrman makes no sense whatsoever, considering Zimmerman's blood was found on Trayvon's shirt.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    How would Trayvon have attacked Zimmerman and not end up having injuries to his hands?
    I think that a blow to GZ's nose would not necessarily leave visible injuries to Trayvons hand. The injuries to the back of GZ's head could be from Trayvon grabbing a hold of his head and slamming it to the ground. That would leave no injuries in my opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I am right or that it's the only possibility, I'm just taking an honest look at the evidence and giving my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pjblack View Post
    Trayvon's knuckle was abraded whereas Zimmerman had no injuries in his hands, signifying that only Trayvon was doing the punching and beating.
    I don't recall reading the word 'abraded' and the injury wasn't on Trayvon's knuckle. It was below the joint. He could have gotten the tiny laceration from a paper cut for all we know.

    Zimmerman didn't need to use his hands. He had a gun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    I don't recall reading the word 'abraded' and the injury wasn't on Trayvon's knuckle. It was below the joint. He could have gotten the tiny laceration from a paper cut for all we know.

    Zimmerman didn't need to use his hands. He had a gun.
    ME called it an abrasion, not a cut.
    Just my opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    I don't recall reading the word 'abraded' and the injury wasn't on Trayvon's knuckle. It was below the joint. He could have gotten the tiny laceration from a paper cut for all we know.

    Zimmerman didn't need to use his hands. He had a gun.
    I agree! I don't believe Trayvon was pounding GZ's head at all, I think GZ slipped and fell backwards. GZ could've been holding onto Trayvon's hoodie and Trayvon struggling to get free from the creepy man for all we know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenreaper View Post
    So if NO DNA on TM means he didn't attack him, then I guess no DNA on GZ means he didn't attack TM, right? The reason people are not taking the fact that GZ left his car into consideration is because it was PERFECTLY LEGAL.

    As far as GZ lying, YOU have NO proof of that, it is merely speculation, based on SUPPOSED contradictions in his statements, which HAVEN'T been released yet.
    Again this is going O/T, but I'm surprised GZ was not arrested for interferring. At the point he called it in it became an official police matter. GZ getting out of his car to follow when he was directed not to was enough information for GZ to know it was LE's responsibility to talk to TM and not his. jmo


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    Yet no rips or tears or any other evidence to TM's hoodie that indicates it was being pulled or tugged in a forceful manner.


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    has it been determined yet if TM was right handed or left handed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sleonardelli View Post
    I agree! I don't believe Trayvon was pounding GZ's head at all, I think GZ slipped and fell backwards. GZ could've been holding onto Trayvon's hoodie and Trayvon struggling to get free from the creepy man for all we know.
    If GZ "fell backwards" how did Trayvon end up on top of him?
    How would that even work in your scenario?
    Let's say GZ was running and fell backwards. Why didn't Trayvon simply run away while GZ was on the ground on his back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LambChop View Post
    Again this is going O/T, but I'm surprised GZ was not arrested for interferring. At the point he called it in it became an official police matter. GZ getting out of his car to follow when he was directed not to was enough information for GZ to know it was LE's responsibility to talk to TM and not his. jmo
    How so, they don't even have evidence on who approached who, who chased who, etc.

    Gilbreath said this on the stand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    I don't recall reading the word 'abraded' and the injury wasn't on Trayvon's knuckle. It was below the joint. He could have gotten the tiny laceration from a paper cut for all we know.

    Zimmerman didn't need to use his hands. He had a gun.
    Here's a quote from the report.
    "Other injuries: There is 1/4 x 1/8 inch small abrasion on the left fourth finger".
    Page 127
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/S...-by-prosecutor


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    Quote Originally Posted by sleonardelli View Post
    I agree! I don't believe Trayvon was pounding GZ's head at all, I think GZ slipped and fell backwards. GZ could've been holding onto Trayvon's hoodie and Trayvon struggling to get free from the creepy man for all we know.
    Yep, grass gets slippery when wet...

    I can't imagine TM beating the crap out of GZ and there are no wounds to back up GZ's claims...for all anyone knows, GZ could have set up that entire scenario, grabbing onto TM and rolling around to make it appear he was in a fight for life or death, when in actuality, it was TM who was in fear of his life just by the mere fact of being followed by this creepy dude..had TM shot GZ with his own weapon, it would probably be deemed self defense.but sadly, that's not the case...and suppositions will not fly...cold hard evidence flies in the face of adversity...and it appears to me, GZ's story is unravelling with each document I've read...

    There was also this alleged struggle for the weapon, yet no DNA of TM is found on that weapon. The trigger also had someone elses DNA, not TM, not GZ, so who the hell did that belong to and why is foreign DNA on that gun at all....all I can say, people lie, evidence doesn't lie and for the life of me I can't understand the need for GZ to act as if he's LE instead of standing down and letting SPD handle it...this is all his fault, no one elses and I suspect he had no faith in LE to detain this person he deemed suspicious..which is why that exicted utterance of 'these a&&holes always get away" had driven his mentality...and took a teens' life because he felt he had LE and the SYG statute on his side...he was mistaken...
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    Can one of our friendly medical professionals help us out with a quick question. In autopsy Mr. Martin was recorded to be 5'11 yet everyone who knew him (and images of him) suggest that he was over 6'. I also noted a discrepancy in Whitney Houston's autopsy measurement - 5'1" recorded, 5'8" actual. Is this normal? If so, is it proportional or is there an equation to where we can calculate the actual height?
    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
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