Results 1 to 23 of 23

Thread: Man who decapitated, ate fellow bus passenger wins chance to leave hospital grounds

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    42°8′2″N 73°34′6″W
    Posts
    23,434

    Man who decapitated, ate fellow bus passenger wins chance to leave hospital grounds

    I think many of us will remember this Canadian case as, once heard about, it's impossible to forget.

    Cannibal allowed to leave mental hospital for a stroll, just four years after he beheaded and ate sleeping bus passenger (Daily Mail)
    A man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada four years ago won his bid to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he has been kept, a criminal review board ruled on Thursday.

    The Criminal Code review board said Vince Li's treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into Selkirk, Manitoba. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.
    ---
    At Li’s trial in March of 2009, a judge was told that he was an untreated schizophrenic who was suffering from auditory hallucinations commanding him to kill [carnival worker Tim ] McLean, a stranger.

    On Thursday, the board said the passes should only be granted if Li's treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be ‘appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward.’

    He will have to be escorted at all times by a nurse and a peace officer who will be wearing street clothes to avoid drawing attention to LI.
    ---
    much more, with pictures, at Daily Mail link above

  2. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to wfgodot For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    On Battleship Hill
    Posts
    3,069
    This guy has crossed a barrier, I am a mental health nurse and I am sorry, IMO he should be treated with compassion but never be free
    England's dancing days are done...

  4. The Following 17 Users Say Thank You to badhorsie For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    197
    wow, good thing not drawing attention to him is apparently among the biggest priorities...

    That "person" should not see the light of day except through bars ever again.

  6. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to boston_baby For This Useful Post:


  7. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Palm Springs
    Posts
    18,576
    Quote Originally Posted by badhorsie View Post
    This guy has crossed a barrier, I am a mental health nurse and I am sorry, IMO he should be treated with compassion but never be free
    The above is so well put, IMO. I too have no interest in punishing someone who acted out of mental illness. That doesn't mean I trust the psychiatric profession to know with any certainty whether the patient is sufficiently medicated to no longer be a threat.

  8. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Nova For This Useful Post:


  9. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    29,549
    Once someone has shown themselves to be dangerous enough, that they could decapitate a stranger and begin eating him, for no reason, ---Sorry, but they should not be walking around free anymore.
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

  10. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:


  11. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Oak Harbor, WA
    Posts
    574
    Sounds like Washington ... They used to take the criminally insane to carnivals and all kinds of cute outings up until a couple of years ago and they lost one. He escaped and thank God and all the police that caught him 3 days later.
    "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't."

    General George S. Patton

  12. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to crystalgenie For This Useful Post:


  13. #7
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Southern Ontario
    Posts
    1,994
    I would like to see these 'treatments teams' (those suggesting and authorizing escorted passes for now) held criminally responsible if their 'ideas' don't pan out in the short or long term and he, or others with similar illnesses kill again. To be able to sue them in civil court would make the treatment teams look harder at their own actions. It's not a system failure if he fails to take his meds in the future when not escorted.

  14. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Woodland For This Useful Post:


  15. #8
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    BC -- for now
    Posts
    4,314
    i was horrified when this happened... and i feel these escorted visits off premises are a slap in the face to mclean and his family ::shakes head::
    Last edited by redheadedgal; 05-18-2012 at 09:37 PM. Reason: spelling
    *** THIS POST IS ONLY FOR USE ON WEBSLEUTHS -- PLEASE DO NOT LINK OR COPY IT ELSEWHERE ***




    Rest in peace Cpl Nathan Cirillo

  16. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to redheadedgal For This Useful Post:


  17. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    dillon texas
    Posts
    1,446
    I live about 40 minutes from where he is held. While I don't think mentally ill people should be institutionalized as they were in decades past, I don't agree with the not criminally responsible (NCR) designation. I think it is fine for him to take walks around the Selkirk mental hospital, but i don't think he should be allowed out into the community, even with a guard, nor do I think he should ever be set free. Unfortunately it looks like the last two will probably happen at some point.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...152001055.html
    " He has been diagnosed as having a 0.8 per cent chance of violently reoffending in the next decade." Really? since when can psychiatrists pinpoint this with such accuracy. perhaps they should get jobs as Vegas oddsmakers.

    Of course he is doing fine now: he is in a secure facility and has to take his medication. Once he is deemed cured, he will be released. Who will ensure he takes his medication, then? I think it is great that, as stated in the above article, he has improved his English and has taken occupational training. Nevertheless, I agree with the mother of Tim McLean (the victim) that NCR designated people should be kept in hospital facilities indefinitely.

  18. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to brighidin For This Useful Post:


  19. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    6,659
    I think the 0.8 percent chance of him reoffending is to high to risk letting him out.

    I have zero percent chance of decapitating a person . I have a 0.8 percent chance of commiting a violent crime. I say that because I could end up in a position to react or overact do to head injury or something . My percent might be even higher who knows. I am not incapable of it I am sure. I slapped my ex husband and might reoffend.

    His has to be much higher than mine. This is insane. I remember how he held up the mans head and showed it to the LE. 0.8 ... No way.

    Lately I find myself getting really mad about these kinds of things.

  20. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Soulmagent For This Useful Post:


  21. #11
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Anaheim, CA
    Posts
    9,991
    Quote Originally Posted by Woodland View Post
    I would like to see these 'treatments teams' (those suggesting and authorizing escorted passes for now) held criminally responsible if their 'ideas' don't pan out in the short or long term and he, or others with similar illnesses kill again. To be able to sue them in civil court would make the treatment teams look harder at their own actions. It's not a system failure if he fails to take his meds in the future when not escorted.
    Quote Originally Posted by brighidin View Post
    I live about 40 minutes from where he is held. While I don't think mentally ill people should be institutionalized as they were in decades past, I don't agree with the not criminally responsible (NCR) designation. I think it is fine for him to take walks around the Selkirk mental hospital, but i don't think he should be allowed out into the community, even with a guard, nor do I think he should ever be set free. Unfortunately it looks like the last two will probably happen at some point.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...152001055.html
    " He has been diagnosed as having a 0.8 per cent chance of violently reoffending in the next decade." Really? since when can psychiatrists pinpoint this with such accuracy. perhaps they should get jobs as Vegas oddsmakers.

    Of course he is doing fine now: he is in a secure facility and has to take his medication. Once he is deemed cured, he will be released. Who will ensure he takes his medication, then? I think it is great that, as stated in the above article, he has improved his English and has taken occupational training. Nevertheless, I agree with the mother of Tim McLean (the victim) that NCR designated people should be kept in hospital facilities indefinitely.
    I agree with everyone. Especially love these posts.

    This is insane. It is very hard to keep schizophrenics in treatment. Besides, he ate a person. Come on!
    For Travis Alexander, a human being. Justice will prevail.


    *Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah."

  22. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to gitana1 For This Useful Post:


  23. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    North Queensland Australia
    Posts
    1,502
    I'm sorry, I really dont care if he is mentally ill....because if that is the argument what about people who "lose it" or snap so to say and kill someone, you could argue that that is also a mental breakdown, because it is...

    This guy has killed someone, that innocent person will never get the chance to see the light of day let alone a hospital......no keep him in forever, medicated or not.
    REVAMPZ

  24. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to revampz For This Useful Post:


  25. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    In the cooooold!
    Posts
    4,651
    Geez. Good thing all he did was murder, decapitate and eat a poor guy.
    A few years locked away. All is well, he can go for walkies.

    Good thing it was't a doobie he was caught with. He
    could still be under the jail.

    Beautiful Rox.
    Sept. 18, 1997 - May 26 2012
    Rest peacefully my love I'll forever miss you.

  26. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to drip~drop For This Useful Post:


  27. #14
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Tampa Bay
    Posts
    7,152
    Quote Originally Posted by drip~drop View Post
    Geez. Good thing all he did was murder, decapitate and eat a poor guy.
    A few years locked away. All is well, he can go for walkies.

    Good thing it was't a doobie he was caught with. He
    could still be under the jail.
    Cindi Lou


    Some people may consider me crazy, I say I'm just inspired.

  28. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sleuthster For This Useful Post:


  29. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    7,834
    he murdered someone

    he needs to be kept locked up for more than 3 years, mentally ill or not

  30. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to LadyL For This Useful Post:


  31. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    2,352
    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Once someone has shown themselves to be dangerous enough, that they could decapitate a stranger and begin eating him, for no reason, ---Sorry, but they should not be walking around free anymore.
    Anyone whose mind can "go there" to decapitate someone and EAT parts of him, I dunno...I wouldn't want him released anywhere near us, thats for sure.
    Those crimes are so horrendous, I remember the way the newscaster told the crime on, TV, at first they put it delicately but after the first day or so they were reporting it will full gore in descriptions. He needs to stay in jail, forever if possible. Or stay @ mental hospital. Either way he should not be among people...whose to say the same compulsion to kill won't hit him again? I'm sorry, I think that these people cannot be rehabilitated. Ever. JMO

    Rest in Peace, Robbi 1980-2012

  32. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to AbbieNormal For This Useful Post:


  33. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    42°8′2″N 73°34′6″W
    Posts
    23,434
    Daily Mail follows up:

    Man who beheaded and cannibalised fellow passenger on Greyhound bus thought he was attacking an alien
    A Chinese immigrant who beheaded and cannibalised a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus thought he was on a mission from God to kill an alien, according to a mental health worker who interviewed him.
    ---
    According to [Chris Summerville, head of the Manitoba Schizophrenia Society]'s transcript, Li recognises that people fear him.

    'I understand people are scared because of my behaviour on the Greyhound bus. I am not at risk for anybody. I don't believe in aliens. I don't hear voices,' Mr Summerville quoted Li as saying.

    'I take my medication... every day. I am glad to take it. I don't have any weird voices any more.'
    ---
    much more, with pictures, at DM link above

  34. The Following User Says Thank You to wfgodot For This Useful Post:


  35. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    In the cooooold!
    Posts
    4,651
    Quote Originally Posted by gitana1 View Post
    I agree with everyone. Especially love these posts.

    This is insane. It is very hard to keep schizophrenics in treatment. Besides, he ate a person. Come on!
    There's no going back. No re-dos. It's complete and finished.
    There is no way this monster can be set free. I can almost guarantee you that if his meds made him gain weight, feel funny or 1000 other things, he won't ever take another on his own again.

    Let whoever would let him free, keep him as a guest in their home.
    Just don't ask what's for dinner if he cooks.
    uke" (hmmmm that was P U K E )

    Beautiful Rox.
    Sept. 18, 1997 - May 26 2012
    Rest peacefully my love I'll forever miss you.

  36. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to drip~drop For This Useful Post:


  37. #19
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    63° 22'N 32° 17'W (It's In The Abyss.)
    Posts
    2,963
    Quote Originally Posted by revampz View Post
    I'm sorry, I really dont care if he is mentally ill....because if that is the argument what about people who "lose it" or snap so to say and kill someone, you could argue that that is also a mental breakdown, because it is...

    This guy has killed someone, that innocent person will never get the chance to see the light of day let alone a hospital......no keep him in forever, medicated or not.
    If he is mentally ill, he should be locked up for good.




    HMS Hood
    Mighty Hood
    Pennant Number: 51
    Motto: Ventis Secundis ("With Favourable Winds")
    May 15, 1920-May 24, 1941

  38. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to HMSHood For This Useful Post:


  39. #20
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    29,549
    If he is doing well there, taking his meds, not hearing voices anymore, not seeing aliens, then he should happily live his life, there among his friends and his health workers. Because, as mentioned by others, once he gets too much freedom, he will probably start skipping his meds. And those voices will reappear...
    “Every day that they don’t find something is good for me.“ Billie Dunn

  40. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to katydid23 For This Useful Post:


  41. #21
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    42°8′2″N 73°34′6″W
    Posts
    23,434
    While his walks outside the ground would be (at least initially) in the company of a nurse and a peace officer, I'd be worried he'd get the drop on them and skedaddle.

    While I do understand why authorities may okay such a walk, I agree with badhorsie (above), that, after crossing the barrier that he did, he should never be free - even if that freedom means being accompanied by a pair of professionals.

  42. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to wfgodot For This Useful Post:


  43. #22
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    dillon texas
    Posts
    1,446
    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    While his walks outside the ground would be (at least initially) in the company of a nurse and a peace officer, I'd be worried he'd get the drop on them and skedaddle.

    While I do understand why authorities may okay such a walk, I agree with badhorsie (above), that, after crossing the barrier that he did, he should never be free - even if that freedom means being accompanied by a pair of professionals.
    He will probably be set free within the next few years. Most who are found NCR are not held for very long.

    i don't think he was a monster. I understand that he was a paranoid schizophrenic. I think he will take his meds when he is in the hospital. The way I understand it, is that when he is 'freed' from the hospital in Selkirk, Manitoba his medicine intake will be monitored. However, the problem is that if he moves to another province, he will most likely fall through the cracks because health care is a provincial power and there isn't any sort of meaningful system of communication or surveillance between the provinces.

    Li was taking medication for schizophrenia before and he had been hospitalized before, but he left that province and there was no one, or nothing, to keep tabs on him.

    I think mental illness can be controlled and people can absolutely live meaningful, productive lives. The way the NCR laws are set up seem to suggest that once a person's mental illness is under control they are seen as cured. That is not right. IMO

    Mental health advocates keep blaming the media for sensationalizing this murder and they keep stating that Vince Li is not a threat to the public. I do not agree with that. As I said previously, I am glad that we have moved away from wholesale institutionalization but, sadly, I fear that the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Vince Li is a threat to public safety because he viciously killed someone and there is no way to ensure that he takes his medication everyday for the rest of his life.

    Carol de Delley, the victim's mother has commented publicly that she has compassion for people with mental illnesses, but believes that if they commit horrific crimes, like Li did, they should be held indefinitely, or at least for a minimum period of time.
    http://www.timslaw.ca/politicans/

  44. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to brighidin For This Useful Post:


  45. #23
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    6,659
    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    God told him to kill an alien ,but that doesnt explain why he canniblised him.

Similar Threads

  1. CANADA - Horrific Bus Incident (Canada) Passenger Beheaded
    By saqqara in forum Crimes in the News
    Replies: 193
    Last Post: 10-05-2014, 05:47 AM
  2. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-13-2012, 11:26 AM
  3. Man Bitten By Decapitated Head Of A Rattlesnake
    By White Rain in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 64
    Last Post: 08-13-2007, 08:36 PM
  4. Baby found in trash can to leave hospital
    By Norma in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 11-03-2005, 12:36 AM
  5. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 10-13-2005, 11:56 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •