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    AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Tucson police are searching for a 6-year-old girl who went missing from her home on the city's east side.

    Isabel Mercedes Celis was last seen late Friday and discovered to be missing at about 8 a.m. Saturday.

    Sgt. Maria Hawke says police are searching the area around East Broadway Boulevard and Craycroft Road using street patrols, canines, detectives and a helicopter.

    She's described as just under 4-feet-tall and weighing 44 pounds, with brown hair and hazel eyes.
    Snipped: http://www.kswt.com/story/17650000/t...-year-old-girl

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    Full news coverage: http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

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    AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

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    I would be so happy if Isabel comes home unharmed. We need to trust that LE must know what they're doing.

    This has nothing to do with this case, but more to point out the hard job LE has in Arizona trying to control crime. I wondered if anyone else saw that this mother and her sons, eight sons, were busted in Chandler for runninga heroin ring that may have been supplying the prisons. I won't post a link, but it's in today's news.

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    I think one thing that is important to note is the language LE has chosen to use, calling this an 'abduction' as opposed to a 'kidnapping.'


    Legally and technically speaking there is a slight difference between those two acts.

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    Does anyone know which family members were at the vigil last evening besides the two boys and mom? Just wonder what other family members are close to the Celis family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamamia54 View Post
    Does anyone know which family members were at the vigil last evening besides the two boys and mom? Just wonder what other family members are close to the Celis family.
    Anita went to the vigil, I would go back and get her posts but gotta run for a few - she did mention there were a few family members (they all looked aliked) May be worth looking at her posts from last night (if not I will find them when I get back )
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    Quote Originally Posted by emeraldeyes85 View Post
    I think one thing that is important to note is the language LE has chosen to use, calling this an 'abduction' as opposed to a 'kidnapping.'


    Legally and technically speaking there is a slight difference between those two acts.
    Is this even close to being a correct assessment?

    An abductor takes a victim for his own selfish purposes and tries to maintain a low or anonymous profile. A kidnapper eventually makes his abduction known, either to the media or strictly to the immediate family of his victim. He uses his captive as a bargaining tool, whereas the typical abductor keeps his captive as secret as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamamia54 View Post
    Does anyone know which family members were at the vigil last evening besides the two boys and mom? Just wonder what other family members are close to the Celis family.
    Sergio's sister was also there. I will grab a link, brb.

    Sister quoted @ vigil here: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crim...f045407ad.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74
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    The poster would have seen the babysitter's name in many potential places, since it was discussed in MSM and that's the source for 99.99% of the cases that get discussed on WS. She had a crime happen to her and in a coincidence shared a babysitter in common. The fact that she was also a member of WS is not what solved the case. She remembered her own babysitter's name when she heard the name again, and reported it to LE.
    If someone saw a potential perp's name mentioned on CNN, or FOX or on an AP Newswire, for instance, and they remembered that name and then reported it to LE, I don't think anyone would consider those outlets as "solving cases." Those outlets disseminate news.

    ? Two of our posters were involved and as soon as one of them called LE they were all over the suspects home and found the baby. The media was also alerted. Yes, LE knew about the suspect but they had not yet searched!

    You don't know if the poster would have seen the news or not, but for sure the poster was on this case here.

    I think that WS HAS been helpful, it is helpful, and I do not consider it 'the public's favorite pastime'. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby2 View Post
    ? Two of our posters were involved and as soon as one of them called LE they were all over the suspects home and found the baby. The media was also alerted. Yes, LE knew about the suspect but they had not yet searched!

    You don't know if the poster would have seen the news or not, but for sure the poster was on this case here.

    I think that WS HAS been helpful, it is helpful, and I do not consider it 'the public's favorite pastime'. Just my opinion.
    Not to mention all the hard work over on the UID forums as well.
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    Some interesting reading on abduction vs kidnapping. Keep the source in mind (it's just ehow.com lol) but still, interesting.

    http://www.ehow.com/info_8591732_dif...idnapping.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Not to mention all the hard work over on the UID forums as well.
    Yes!!!!
    Evil don't look like anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardenlady View Post
    Some interesting reading on abduction vs kidnapping. Keep the source in mind (it's just ehow.com lol) but still, interesting.

    http://www.ehow.com/info_8591732_dif...idnapping.html
    So basically someone that the family knew could have taken her, and that's why abduction is used and also may be how they spirited her away without any noise except for dogs barking.
    Adding, and why the parents haven't yet been cleared.

    Okie Dokie then......it's a whole new ballgame.

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    I have a question, hope its ok to ask here. What is MSM? Is it a different thread here?

    Back to topic, I read in the news that RC said last nite, something to the effect of, 'When Isabel is home all questions will be answered.' To me that makes me think, they know what happened, and they believe Isa is alive. It also kinda sounds to me like it was a abduction from maybe a past thing or revenge thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamamia54 View Post
    So basically someone that the family knew could have taken her, and that's why abduction is used and also may be how they spirited her away without any noise except for dogs barking. Okie Dokie then......it's a whole new ballgame.
    It differs by state, the article says... Lemme see if I can dig up anything about AZ specifically... Or maybe in the meantime if one of our attys can chime in if they're here?
    “Peace is not the product of terror or fear. Peace is not the silence of cemeteries. Peace is not the silent result of violent repression. Peace is the generous, tranquil contribution of all to the good of all." -Abp Oscar Romero

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