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    Quote Originally Posted by Curiousasacat View Post
    "According to friends, Mr Baden-Clay was left with no salespeople and the business has only office and rental staff who have been assisted by his parents, Nigel and Elaine."

    Interesting??? A loyal employee would stay around and help during this really tough time. Seems to me the only people willing(in more ways than one) to help are his parents.

    Century 21 owner Charles Tarbey said he was waiting to learn the fate of the Westside franchise but Mr Baden-Clay was yet to seek required approvals to move.

    Can anyone elaborate on what this would entail???



    IMO Next week's Sunday mail will have the biggest news report of the year???


    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/s...-1226367888088


    Mr Baden-Clay removed a trailer full of goods from the business yesterday.
    Hehe not even going there but at least we now know in some way there was a trailer involved ; )
    Mr Charles Tarbey is very concerned about what is said on sites like this. He will have more concerns about what is said in the CBC household should it ever come to communication interception. Here is an example of a Communication interception conviction. These people like the Dickie family not knowing the full circumstances.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/murd...-s-dad-4900252

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    What I read between the lines with all the separation between the two families the lack of empathy for the BC's from the Dickies. I think the picture is very clear. I am glad his parents have supported him cause why would anyone else?

    The so called 'pillar' of society man involved in the oh so honorable scouting movement since day dot along with his born to aristocracy family, an advocate for the public school his daughters attend and has become the director of chamber of commerce within the community despite having no valid university credentials and who has built a so called reputation in the real estate business on honesty and integrity yet finds solace in the arms of possibly many women often behind his wifes back who he keeps at bay with violence and threats and has the audacity to further destroy his family unit by parading around with these women for all to see. Yet all the while insisting that he has a quiet little family who he adores and worships. (This is my opinion only of course.) But seriously tell me who is going to come out and support him. This is just the tip of the iceberg!!!! 80% of the iceberg cannot be seen.

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    Many are saying how the Dickies are so great but personally I think their pointed releases to the media are narky...leaving out their granddaughters fathers name off things...even if he did take Allisons life he is still their father and that can not be erased"

    Quote from Aussie mum above




    Are you for real????


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    "if it was an accidental death a normal person would call an ambulance, gerard seems normal, just an average person,not a psychopath, if he did it accidentally why didnt he call an ambulance?
    it would take nerves of steel for an average person to hide a crime like this, so im wondering if it was pre planned"


    I read this and felt compelled to reply. We don't know that GBC is an "average" person. There are plenty of appearingly "average" persons who have sociopathic tendencies or are in fact psychopaths. I've said this before - people do not get a diagnosis of psychopathy - unless they are involved in a criminal activity. Or at least extraordinarily rarely. The nature of psychopathy is that these people are "seemingly" "normal"...

    There is a very large piece of this story missing. I fear I may be the only one shocked if he gets convicted of murdering her... I suspect there is a third person who committed the murder if she was murdered...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_mum View Post
    Why would GBC state publicly that he didn't do it? He hasn't been accused or charged? One usually makes themselves the prime suspect when they do that, I can think of several cases like this eg. Max Sica and Ian Huntly.

    Why would people come out and 'support' GBC when he hasn't been charged with anything? Allison is the victim here. His real friends are most likely supporting him in private not in the media.

    Many are saying how the Dickies are so great but personally I think their pointed releases to the media are narky...leaving out their granddaughters fathers name off things...even if he did take Allisons life he is still their father and that can not be erased.

    Not everyone wants to share their grief with the public, and I don't think they should be judged for not doing so just because 'we' want to dissect everything they say and their body language.
    I'm a bit shocked reading this post. Could you give any examples of where Allison's parents were "narky"? I would think their media responses have been respectful and honourable to Allison's memory. But I respect your opinion, so would like to know how you came to this conclusion. Personally, I believe they are aware of SO much more than we are. If they choose to not honour GBC in any releases, so be it.

    On the flip side, I find it disrepectful that GBC's family have not released any official statements to the public for all the support for the kids or the search for Allison's killer/s. Wonder why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Inanna View Post
    "if it was an accidental death a normal person would call an ambulance, gerard seems normal, just an average person,not a psychopath, if he did it accidentally why didnt he call an ambulance?
    it would take nerves of steel for an average person to hide a crime like this, so im wondering if it was pre planned"


    I read this and felt compelled to reply. We don't know that GBC is an "average" person. There are plenty of appearingly "average" persons who have sociopathic tendencies or are in fact psychopaths. I've said this before - people do not get a diagnosis of psychopathy - unless they are involved in a criminal activity. Or at least extraordinarily rarely. The nature of psychopathy is that these people are "seemingly" "normal"...

    There is a very large piece of this story missing. I fear I may be the only one shocked if he gets convicted of murdering her... I suspect there is a third person who committed the murder if she was murdered...
    I will be shocked if nwe ever know the full story of what happened that night. Those who were there will continue to plead not guilty regardless of evidence and they made sure Alison will never tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseClosed View Post
    Yes, those photos are absolutely shocking ... once a "Golden Boy" of a particular sport! Would have never imagined he could be capable of so much destruction, which apparently also happened when the children were home! This goes to show that we never know what happens behind closed doors in a family! Despicable!
    I was shocked to read his wife stayed with him for another 6 months, it sure does show us how different one's public face can be,

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    Quote Originally Posted by STELLA85 View Post
    This is so true, and I was most upset to see the Clan had removed the tributes from the front fence of the GBC House, it made me feel so sad for Allisons' girls. Thankfully there are a lot of floral tributes etc at Kholo Creek.
    Maybe the floral tributes on the front fence of the GBC residence were actually upsetting the little girls - a constant reminder of the Mum they have just lost. The healthiest thing for them is to get on with their lives now, adjust to a 'new routine', and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    A report in today's Courier Mail/Sunday Mail of a very well known Aussie, which shows the types of things that happen in a violent drunken rage....could GBC have been drunk as a skunky when Allison returned from hairdresser?? GBC's business was on the ropes...constant arguments about the girlfriends...so he takes to the old bottle...

    The damning images show one side of an interior door completely ripped apart, ******* beloved black grand piano overturned, plastered walls punctured with large holes and dents from punches, equipment including a TV and stereo thrown on the ground, a glass table, candlestick holders and picture frames smashed and bottles of alcoholic spirits littered across the floor.

    Will need to confirm with mods about posting the link as this contains the name of the Aussie.
    Yes I saw the article too. It has crossed my mind that police may have noticed GBC was hung over that next morning, or still reeking of alcohol, or perhaps evidence of drunken behavior as you say. Would be another reason he would need assistance for driving etc that night (would need more than one person to help in this case). All speculation, MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    Continuing that on "if GBC was drunk as a skunky"...can hardly drive in that condition??...calls for help to have Allison's body moved from the house...or if he did drive one of the cars it could be fairly erratic driving police were checking out on CCTV roundabout ??
    Oh you are a few steps ahead of me! I agree, interesting.

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    Does anyone knows if Allison's side of the family are looking after the girls or is it GBC staying with his side?
    In jail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_mum View Post
    Why would GBC state publicly that he didn't do it? He hasn't been accused or charged? One usually makes themselves the prime suspect when they do that, I can think of several cases like this eg. Max Sica and Ian Huntly.

    Why would people come out and 'support' GBC when he hasn't been charged with anything? Allison is the victim here. His real friends are most likely supporting him in private not in the media.

    Many are saying how the Dickies are so great but personally I think their pointed releases to the media are narky...leaving out their granddaughters fathers name off things...even if he did take Allisons life he is still their father and that can not be erased.

    Not everyone wants to share their grief with the public, and I don't think they should be judged for not doing so just because 'we' want to dissect everything they say and their body language.
    Very balanced and sensible observations. Thank you.

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    Also she may have a BA with a psych major. To be a registered psychologist takes approx 7 years study & a year of supervised work. To practice a ma of psych or a doctorate is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nads View Post
    Ok, are we allowed to see who can guess closest to the date there is an arrest?

    I'll go for Thursday 21st June 2012. A wild guess.
    Friday 22nd for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inanna View Post
    Also she may have a BA with a psych major. To be a registered psychologist takes approx 7 years study & a year of supervised work. To practice a ma of psych or a doctorate is needed.
    Almost correct. There are two (sometimes three) ways to become a registered psych. One is to complete an undergraduate degree/honours (approved course), usually totalling 4 years FT. One can then complete two years in the field under supervision (internship), an approved diploma plus year's supervision, OR complete a postgraduate program - masters or doctorate (2-3 years FT). There has definitely been a push in recent years to complete the study pathway, but in previous decades, quite a lot completed the internship pathway.
    Last edited by Strangeworld; 05-26-2012 at 10:28 PM. Reason: correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangeworld View Post
    I'm a bit shocked reading this post. Could you give any examples of where Allison's parents were "narky"? I would think their media responses have been respectful and honourable to Allison's memory. But I respect your opinion, so would like to know how you came to this conclusion. Personally, I believe they are aware of SO much more than we are. If they choose to not honour GBC in any releases, so be it.

    On the flip side, I find it disrepectful that GBC's family have not released any official statements to the public for all the support for the kids or the search for Allison's killer/s. Wonder why?
    Maybe they are just fed up with all the media attention (not to mention the whole situation) and just don't want everything they say and / or do to become public fodder for everyone to ghoulishly dissect and comment on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keentoknow View Post
    Mr Charles Tarbey is very concerned about what is said on sites like this. He will have more concerns about what is said in the CBC household should it ever come to communication interception. Here is an example of a Communication interception conviction. These people like the Dickie family not knowing the full circumstances.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/murd...-s-dad-4900252
    Great post Keentoknow. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inanna View Post
    Also she may have a BA with a psych major. To be a registered psychologist takes approx 7 years study & a year of supervised work. To practice a ma of psych or a doctorate is needed.
    Three years study, one year supervision

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    A report in today's Courier Mail/Sunday Mail of a very well known Aussie, which shows the types of things that happen in a violent drunken rage....could GBC have been drunk as a skunky when Allison returned from hairdresser?? GBC's business was on the ropes...constant arguments about the girlfriends...so he takes to the old bottle...

    The damning images show one side of an interior door completely ripped apart, ******* beloved black grand piano overturned, plastered walls punctured with large holes and dents from punches, equipment including a TV and stereo thrown on the ground, a glass table, candlestick holders and picture frames smashed and bottles of alcoholic spirits littered across the floor.

    Will need to confirm with mods about posting the link as this contains the name of the Aussie.
    It could have been fuelled by alcohol. The behaviour and scene you describe is not as common if alcohol is not involved but it still does happen. In the case of my ex, alcohol wasn't necessary, a narcissistic rage or a violent action from a psychopath requires nothing more than one minor comment out of place for someone to snap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyerdahl View Post
    Maybe they are just fed up with all the media attention (not to mention the whole situation) and just don't want everything they say and / or do to become public fodder for everyone to ghoulishly dissect and comment on.
    I get that on one level, but if a person lost a loved one, would their concern for their own wellbeing really override thanking the many people that have helped to support their children? I find it strange that someone would feel victimised when I would personally want to shout from the rooftops my thanks for the many man hours, $$$, donations, etc that have been given to the kids. Even if a lawyer told me to keep my mouth shut, I would do it anyway. An expression of simple thanks would suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ60 View Post
    I hope I NEVER have to walk in the Dickies shoes; a man that takes the life of his children's mother in these circumstances - what a despicable act! What loving father would do that to his daughters. JMO.
    Exactly. If he did do it and if I were them it would take everything in me not to kill him myself. Anyone who would put their children through this IF IT WERE HIM(this to keep some happy) is one horrible person. IMO...............
    Can you imagine having to speak to someone you might feel killed your daughter.
    I also wouldn't be thanking him in any media either. As some have pointed out where is their thanks on behalf of the girls.
    How arrogant to ignore the hundreds who attended her funeral,the locals who apparently initially supported the BC's with food and such,the police and SES who have spent hours and hours trying to find justice for Allsion.
    Despicable,rude and arrogantpeople if you ask me!!!!!!!!!!!!


    No comment on the narky comment. That is also quite rude to say in a forum advocating the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by possumheart View Post
    Three years study, one year supervision
    Nope. Here's the link for anyone interested. Don't think it really relates to the case, but here it is anyway to correct any misinformation:

    http://www.psychology.org.au/Content.aspx?ID=3865

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    In response to a previous post regarding how it was narky for Allison's parents to leave GBC off of things etc, and it was added that even if he did take Allison's life that he is still the father of the children...
    IMO, no matter how much I loved my son in law, if I found out, or strongly suspected, that he took my daughters life, there is no way in the world I would feel like including his name on ANYTHING!! I could never sit back and think "Oh well, he killed my daughter, but hey, he is still the father of those poor motherless children, therefor I will still talk lovingly of him."

    I don't get how that would even be possible. IF GBC is guilty of this, he obviously didn't consider those children before he did it. IMO


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    Sorry but that's not correct. I am a psychologist and no where in Australia can you currently be registered as a psychologist with 3 years study and one year supervision.
    A masters is required almost everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detect View Post
    Friday 22nd for me.


    Me too.

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