05-23-2012, 12:29 AM #1
CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 **arrest** - #19
Sierra LaMar, 15, has been missing since Friday, March 16. She left home early that morning to walk to her bus stop for school. Her cell phone was found along a local roadway shortly after, and her purse/bag was also found later.
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Sierra LaMar Suspect Under Surveillance Before Arrest
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05-31-2012, 10:14 PM #2Former Member
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**arrest**CA - Sierra Lamar, 15, Santa Clara County, 16 March 2012 #19
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05-31-2012, 10:41 PM #3Registered User
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AGT's no plea
Someone asked in the last thread why AGT would not enter a plea today.
I'm not a lawyer but as I understand it, there's nothing to gain for him at this point by not entering a plea and some possible drawbacks to entering a plea.
First, one reason to enter a plea immediately is to try to bond out. Raise your hand if you think a judge is going to set a bond? Yeah, me either. He knows he's stuck in jail until trial.
Second, his public defender needs to become familiar with the case. Discovery starts soon, whether AGT enters a plea or not and that will give his lawyer the information he needs to advise his client to plea bargain, plead not guilty or plead guilty.
Third, the clock for various processes starts ticking when AGT enters a plea. This can be to his advantage or great disadvantage (the longer they wait to resolve the case, the more likely it is her body will be found).
Someone else asked if the defence will have access to all evidence and information the prosecution has. The answer is yes; this is what is meant by the term discovery. The defendant has the right to know all the evidence against him before he goes to trial.
Finally, AGT may well plea bargain. What we know the prosecution has is evidence that AGT's DNA was on Sierra's clothing, Sierra's DNA was in AGT's car and that there are something like 80 pieces of videotape showing AGT's car in proximity to Sierra's last location, her cell phone and her bag. We know Sierra is still missing and probably deceased.
Assuming AGT caused Sierra's death, there's a whole range of possible scenarios. If we could view the whole incident omnisciently, he might actually be guilty of anything ranging from manslaughter to murder one.
Part of his lawyer's job is to make sure that if his client plea bargains, he pleads guilty to the appropriate charge.
Again, I'm not a lawyer and the above is just my average layperson's knowledge of the system.
05-31-2012, 10:44 PM #4
I would like to know why they charged him in a way that if they cannot get a murder conviction they will not be able to try him for kidnapping. The DA must have some very strong evidence against this guy...but even so, as of right now I do not understand why it was charged in a way that lets him off any kidnapping charges if he beats the murder charge.
Prosecutors had filed a charge of murder against Garcia Torres in his first court appearance a week ago, but Thursday's hearing was his first formal hearing with his new attorney at his side.
Garcia Torres was also charged with kidnapping by Morgan Hill police, who say they believe he carried out at least one other attack in the parking lot of the Safeway. They're investigating him as a possible suspect in three unsolved assaults in supermarket parking lots in March 2009. But if he's found innocent of murder, prosecutors won't be able to try him on the kidnapping charge. "The DA's office has pinned its entire case on the murder," Clark said. "It's a risky strategy when the evidence is as complicated as it is in this case."
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05-31-2012, 10:48 PM #5
Interesting article in the San Jose Mercury tonight. Sorry cant copy the part but the DA are putting everything on a conviction of murder. If cant prove that then the kidnapping can't be found guilty. I truly hope they have a strong strong case.
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06-01-2012, 12:14 AM #6
This isn't Pinellas Florida..thank goodness. I have great faith in people who will be picked for a jury in Santa Clara or San Mateo County. There is absolutely no tolerance for crime in this area. Most jurors are extremely educated and they will understand the term '"Beyond a Reasonable Doubt"...unlike the jurors in Florida. I am certain they will get a conviction.
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If I was innocent I'd be shouting it from the rooftops, not entering a no plea.
I really hope they have enough to put this guy away forever.
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From what I know about how the Law works, When you waive a preliminary hearing you are not admitting guilt, you are only agreeing that there is enough evidence against you for you to stand trial.
Why does this article say he waived his arraignment though?
If he waived his arraignment that is basically the same as entering a Not guilty plea but you can always go back and plea bargain. From what I understand it just means you do not have to show up at the arraignment, and you would show up only at pre-trial. Usually when an attorney waives an arraignment in a case, its because they are going for a reduced sentence or plea bargain. So if the articles that are saying that he waived his arraignment are true, that says alot.
However I AM NOT TRUSTING ANYTHING in the media. It has all been so off/on.
06-01-2012, 09:04 AM #10Registered User
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Can't charges change as well? Like having him for murder 1, voluntary manslaughter, etc and then the jury picks the one they think fits best..?
I stand by that the prosecution must have some pretty damning evidence to be so gung ho on charges. I have faith that these charges will stick and if he's dumb enough to go to trial without a plea bargain, he will be found guilty of SOMETHING.
06-01-2012, 09:30 AM #11
Sounds to me as if the DA has strong evidence that Sierra is deceased...and I think it would have to be a lot more than just the fact that she hasn't tweeted since the day she was last seen. That is not insignificant but I don't think that alone will convict of Murder.
Anyway, time will tell exactly what evidence they have.
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06-01-2012, 10:27 AM #13
I wonder if this is Clark's opinion or a fact?
Clark also said the discovery of Sierra’s body could help the defense because it could serve as an alibi if the teen’s body is found in a location that the suspect has never been to, which authorities can verify by reviewing the GPS device that was secretly placed on Garcia-Torres’ car when authorities began 24-hour surveillance of him on March 28.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~ Aristotle
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06-01-2012, 10:38 AM #14
06-01-2012, 10:39 AM #15Quote:
Clark also said the discovery of Sierra’s body could help the defense because it could serve as an alibi if the teen’s body is found in a location that the suspect has never been to, which authorities can verify by reviewing the GPS device that was secretly placed on Garcia-Torres’ car when authorities began 24-hour surveillance of him on March 28.
That doesn't make sense as he could have disposed of the body before the GPS was placed on his car.
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