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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    I have followed many cases here on WS since I joined, but I can only think of 2, CA and ZB that the parents were involved in. I am not questioning your post just don't know of a high number that turned out the parents did it. jmo
    So you believe that an intruder killed JonBenet and kidnapped Baby Lisa? And that Ron had no involvement in Haleigh's disappearance? Do you put Misty and Terri Horman to be in the parents category? Do you believe they are innocent? What about Shawn Adkins in Hailey's case? He was the live-in boyfriend. There's been strong suspicions towards family members in all of those cases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDhu View Post
    When my service dog went missing, one of the most helpful volunteers was a woman in South Africa who sent close to 1000 faxes to the businesses local to where he was missing to spread the word.

    Another super helpful volunteer was a Swedish man who has extensive experience with SAR; he created and maintained a map of sightings that directly contributed to my service dog being found (because it let us see the pattern of how he was moving through the area).

    When my service dog went missing, I wasn't picky as to where the people who wanted to help lived, I was just grateful they wanted to help.
    That is amazing, and miraculous your dog was found! I am SO happy to know you had wonderful people helping you! What a story! Can you tell us more?


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    But there are very many cases where nobody is charged, like Kyron, Joshua Davis, Ayla, Hailey Dunn, Haleigh Cummings, Lisa Irwin, Celina Cass. And in many of these cases, the prime suspects are the parents. imo

    Thought I would add Sky Metalwala...


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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    With the strict TSA rules at airports, the kidnappers would have a very hard time taking Isabel to another country. Do children need passports? I'm sure they need some form of ID. I bet there was even a picture of Isabel sent out to all airports in the area. Also, the FBI doesn't seem to believe Isabel was taken to another country, or you would hear about them traveling to other countries, putting the word out about Isabel internationally, etc.

    If Isabel is in another country, she will never be recognized. I don't care if someone from Scotland said they are praying for Isabel; anyone can see that international media coverage has been almost non-existant.
    Tucson is VERY close to the border, and it IS very easy to drive across the border. There are many roads in rural areas with no checkpoints going in. Last time I drove from Mexico into the US, the guard, in a small shack, on a small road, just waved me in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    So you believe that an intruder killed JonBenet and kidnapped Baby Lisa? And that Ron had no involvement in Haleigh's disappearance? Do you put Misty and Terri Horman to be in the parents category? Do you believe they are innocent? What about Shawn Adkins in Hailey's case? He was the live-in boyfriend. There's been strong suspicions towards family members in all of those cases.
    But how do you turn head to DNA?


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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    So you believe that an intruder killed JonBenet and kidnapped Baby Lisa? And that Ron had no involvement in Haleigh's disappearance? Do you put Misty and Terri Horman to be in the parents category? Do you believe they are innocent? What about Shawn Adkins in Hailey's case? He was the live-in boyfriend. There's been strong suspicions towards family members in all of those cases.
    I have no idea who killed JonBenet, but yes, I do believe an intruder took Lisa. And I do not think RC had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. No, Terri and Misty were not and are not parents. I have my doubts about Terri's innocence, and not sure about Misty. Shawn Adkins was not a parent. I do believe however just as in this case there are strong suspicions but suspicions do not prove guilt. And that was what I was responding to in that post.

    But, there were also strong suspicions in Sierra's case. And those proved unfounded. I have not seen anything in Isa's situation that indicate either of her parents did anything to her. Please do not bring up RC's dismissed dui. Or SC's tickets from animal control. When I see something concrete I will base my opinion on that. And I feel that if SC's order to stay away from the boys or the CPS visit in December was in any way a dangerous issue, he would have been arrested or the order would have been issued back in December. Until I know the details I can't make a judgement. I realize other's feel very strongly about this and disagree with me, and that is their perogative. This is the way I feel and this is just my opinion. I just get very discouraged when I see comments based on invalid data. Of all the cases you named above the only one I recall as having been named a POI is Shawn Adkins. Maybe Terri, I am not sure. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    (snipped) But, there were also strong suspicions in Sierra's case. And those proved unfounded. I have not seen anything in Isa's situation that indicate either of her parents did anything to her...I just get very discouraged when I see comments based on invalid data
    Any comparison of this case to Sierra's is unjustified, IMO. In Sierra's case, LE stated, over and over, that Sierra's mom, her boyfriend and her dad were cleared.

    In this case, LE have stated, over and over, that the Celis' have not been cleared.

    That statement you just made is based on invalid data.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark2 View Post
    Any comparison of this case to Sierra's is unjustified, IMO. In Sierra's case, LE stated, over and over, that Sierra's mom, her boyfriend and her dad were cleared.

    In this case, LE have stated, over and over, that the Celis' have not been cleared.

    That statement you just made is based on invalid data.
    That actually isnt true though, Lark2.

    At first they did say that in Sierra's case but Sheriff Smith was asked that question a few weeks later and clearly stated "NO ONE has been ruled out." When that complete turn was made by SS there was plenty of discussion about it.

    And it really didnt matter to a lot of posters that LE had once stated they were all ruled out. On the MBs the majority were still falsely accusing Marlene of covering up for her boyfriend, Rick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark2 View Post
    Any comparison of this case to Sierra's is unjustified, IMO. In Sierra's case, LE stated, over and over, that Sierra's mom, her boyfriend and her dad were cleared.

    In this case, LE have stated, over and over, that the Celis' have not been cleared.

    That statement you just made is based on invalid data.
    No, it really isn't. It is just not clear and that is my fault. I meant suspicions from some posters and not LE. Sorry, I did not explain it very well, but my post was already too long. And as a side note I think LE has said in this case that no one has been cleared not just the parents. I guess that can be intrepreted anyway you want. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    That actually isnt true though, Lark2.

    At first they did say that in Sierra's case but Sheriff Smith was asked that question a few weeks later and clearly stated "NO ONE has been ruled out." When that complete turn was made by SS there was plenty of discussion about it.

    And it really didnt matter to a lot of posters that LE had once stated they were all ruled out. On the MBs the majority were still falsely accusing Marlene of covering up for her boyfriend, Rick.

    IMO
    And as I remember tried to drag her father into the mix. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    That actually isnt true though, Lark2.

    At first they did say that in Sierra's case but Sheriff Smith was asked that question a few weeks later and clearly stated "NO ONE has been ruled out." When that complete turn was made by SS there was plenty of discussion about it.

    And it really didnt matter to a lot of posters that LE had once stated they were all ruled out. On the MBs the majority were still falsely accusing Marlene of covering up for her boyfriend, Rick.

    IMO
    I am not talking about posters' interpretations of what LE says, I'm talking facts here. The local police stated over and over that Marlene, her boyfriend Rick, and Sierra's Dad were ruleld out - cleared. That was quoted and widely publicized and reaffirmed by LE over and over again as it was released very early on. Yes, on one show, one time, the Sherrif said, "No one has been ruled out" and in the same show it was corrected. So, bringing up that corrected inacuracy isn't fair, IMO.

    But, no worries. You can have this any way you want it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    And as I remember tried to drag her father into the mix. jmo
    Okay, but what about Celina Cass= the stepfather is the key suspect.

    And Ayla Reynolds. = her father and immediate family, labeled as key suspects.

    And Kyron, his stepmother= prime suspect.

    Sky Metalwawa= Mother, the only suspect.

    Joshua Davis= only his family was present when he went missing from the trailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    It has nothing to do with not wanting to believe Isa's parents could harm her..at least not for me anyway. I have been researching true crime for decades and am brutally aware what some parents are capable of doing to their defenseless children.

    BUT........

    i dont think she was killed in her home by someone she knew. If so the K-9 dogs would have alerted to her cadaver scent instead of tracking an unfamiliar scent taken from the scent sample from Isa's bedroom window sill. The dog tracked from Isa's home over to Cooper Street (which is more likely where the perp got into his vehicle with Isa, imo) and left. The scent was so strong that it gave TPD probable cause for a SW on that home. LE doesnt ask the Mexican LE to put up missing fliers in Mexico of a child that they already know has died in their own home.

    And there have also been cases where a stranger took a child from their bedroom and until this case is resolved one way or the other with the real suspect being caught... I have no idea what category to put Isa in. That is like trying to read tealeaves, imo, which I try hard not to do, especially without any facts to support it.

    Until I see some valid evidence pointing to who really did this. I will not jump the gun, and assume who the suspect is when "I' really dont know. That is how I have always based my opinions. If some evidence should come to light in the near or distant future, I certainly can, and do change my opinion, but I am not nearly there yet because no evidence at all has been disclosed.

    Imo, using an unknown and stating it is Isa's parents is not something I do. I also look at each case individually and not lumped together based on statistics nor what happened in the last case or the first..etc.

    Imo, 115 known (and many unknown imo) do kidnap small children Isa's age from their own homes. I have no way of knowing if Isa is or isnt in that 115 who are kidnapped each year.

    Now that is just how "I" base my opinions and it has served me very well over the many years being on MBs.

    Of course what other posters wish to do on any given case is their entitled rights to do and give whatever opinion they wish.

    This only applies to "my" opinions.


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    About the tracking dogs alerting as proof of her " kidnap", I think the cadaver dog findings in the house are redacted in the released documents. But what ever it is was enough to: seal off the house as a crime scene, ask the family to move else where, and have CPS launch a family Safety Plan.

    <<"We have information obtained from the dogs that necessitate our follow-up investigation," Chief Villasenor said at a news conference. "In order to do that, we secured the residence. We've asked the family to leave the residence so we don't have to talk about any other contamination of the scene."

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...zona-home?lite



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    Quote Originally Posted by mck16 View Post
    And as I remember tried to drag her father into the mix. jmo
    Dad ruled out and cleared, annoucned early on in press conference.

    But again, no worries. If you want to think the dad was dragged in, and the parents were never cleared, etc etc, then you can think that. It's not the truth, it's not the facts - but you can think that, it's a free country.

    Heck, there's people out there who still think OJ's innocent. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as they say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark2 View Post
    Dad ruled out and cleared, annoucned early on in press conference.

    But again, no worries. If you want to think the dad was dragged in, and the parents were never cleared, etc etc, then you can think that. It's not the truth, it's not the facts - but you can think that, it's a free country.

    Heck, there's people out there who still think OJ's innocent. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, as they say.
    I really don't want to argue this. Just one more thing and then I will stop. I don't think you read the original post that I was responding to.

    posted by Torresmom003 snipped: Even with all of the missing children cases that we here at WS have seen and followed that turned out to be because of a "parent", it is not something that we want to think happened in every missing child case. Unfortunately, more often than not, that is what it is.

    I simply stated that I could not think of that many I have followed that it turned out to be the parents. Actually only 2 where the parent/s were arrested. jmo
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