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    ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #21

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    Currently, we are considering Allison's husband to be a suspected person of interest in this case. There is a possible second party involved per MSM and it is okay to discuss that aspect, but please refrain from accusing anyone of murder at this juncture. Speculating is one thing, accusing is another.


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    Pensive

    My avatar is wistful, pensive, reflective....in her field of sunflowers.

    Exactly how I'm feeling thinking about the possible implications of fraud and monetary issues in this case. I've thought from the beginning that money was the issue, but don't like to "go there" because in my view, if that is the motive, there has to be some level of premeditation. Some element of planning, or at the very least, day dreaming about an outcome that eliminates a barrier to fixing a financial disaster.

    How much sadder would this be for the girls?

    People should call out for help, and suppress their pride, when they get into financial difficulty, rather than take a route that has no happy ending. I've had my times...the Smith Family was fabulous! (Long time ago....and there was no way I was going to refuse their help with a kid to support)

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    Good night

    only two of us on...my conference calls have ended...guess i should be sensible and go to bed!!!!

    Good night Australia, Good morning Americas

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    Night Aussie.......xxxx

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    agreed expat

    someone did mention that once the all details were known, they'd be a lot harder to accept, not that i am basing my opinion on that. yet, hey, when money is considered to be more important than human life, it's nauseating...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rational View Post
    Possibility and IMO it is starting to look really messy and much less like a DV gone wrong.

    With all respect to Rudra I am starting to get a feeling that the QPS and DPP have nailed GBC and are trying to nail the accessories. Not just as accessories before or after the fact of a criminal homicide but in relation to a whole lot more. Those company structures from what I could gleam looked incredible suss and IMO everyone involved (including TM) are up to their proverbial ears.

    I believe GBC will be nailed for criminal homicide, crimininal negligence, misuse of public funds due to not providing information whilst 100s are searching, fraud, certain high levels of white-collar crime incl use of trust funds, conflicts of interest, financial corruption and the rest of them will go down like rats on a sinking ship. They will have accessory to criminal homicide before or after the fact charges as well as primary charges relating to all of the above.

    All IMOO

    Time for bed. Goodnight all. The sunflowers are like beacons of justice!!!
    IMO BANG ON. This is where my mind wandering led me to last night after digging around at all the info available on the ATO & ASIC, too many red flags and I thought back to the very little, yet succint, information we've heard directly from those investigating this that I could not wander away from this scenario above. IMO, the possibility of numerous persons being charged with serious high level fraud may just be key for them to get their murder charge that will stand up in any court of appeal. Those red flags, I'm starting to think it alarmed them as soon as they discovered it (possibly before she was found, thinking back to the changes we heard, POI, Missing Person Case, day she was found 'we've been treating this as an unlawful homicide investigation for some time') has told them a lot more than any one witness has yet...excluding possible accessories and evidence.
    IMO of course.
    Last edited by parkerp; 06-12-2012 at 11:05 AM. Reason: a smiley face appeared in a serious sentance, due to a typo, I was nauseated by it

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    Off topic.

    Just a little note to you all regarding the sunflowers,it is an amazing gesture isn't it?
    I truly hope that if something untoward would ever happen to me that people would care enough to do this. I love how people's personalities shine through in their flower choice.(Mine was for all of us)
    May Allison's memory live on through love and happiness. If indeed this is a DV case I believe she will empower many women to take a stand.
    I hope she finds justice soon.

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    imamaze..... Colonel mustard is not really a hidden meaning. It is the husband(GBC)'s nickname. Hence the mystery,Colonel mustard did it in the library eg and also his work jacket is a mustard colour. Just thought I'd clear it up while I saw you on line.


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    Sunflowers will always turn to face the sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curiousasacat View Post
    imamaze..... Colonel mustard is not really a hidden meaning. It is the husband(GBC)'s nickname. Hence the mystery,Colonel mustard did it in the library eg and also his work jacket is a mustard colour. Just thought I'd clear it up while I saw you on line.
    Although this is pretty harmless, it's a WS rule not to use name variations. In order to be consistent with everyone, please don't use this as a description of GBC anymore.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Although this is pretty harmless, it's a WS rule not to use name variations. In order to be consistent with everyone, please don't use this as a description of GBC anymore.

    Cheers!
    Hi Kimster, do you want Gerard referred to as GBC and Allison as ABC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayside View Post
    Hi Kimster, do you want Gerard referred to as GBC and Allison as ABC?
    I was simply trying to clear up a joke someone else made about Colonel mustard to Imamaze from the previous thread.

    I don't think people had actually started using it.

    Good question bayside, seems the safest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayside View Post
    Hi Kimster, do you want Gerard referred to as GBC and Allison as ABC?
    Initials or names are fine. Both are mentioned in the mainstream media, so according to our practices, each can be used.

    The problem with name variations is that it leads to making fun and/or bashing the players, which is a huge problem. And also, people who aren't familiar with the case will read here and not know who in the heck we're talking about. It took me awhile to figure it out and I check in every day!

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