ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #22

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Just reposting from previous thread:
I'm surprised Alison Sandy has just said on twitter that GBC is applying for bail in court today. My understanding is this isn't correct - this needs to be done next week in the supreme court. Wish they'd get their reporting right, especially at this important time in the case.
 
GBC appearing in Court at 9:00 am this morning (reported on Channel 9)

He has been charged with MURDER AND INTERFERING WITH A CORPSE!
 
With the new information we now have, I think it would be reasonable to consider that Allison's murder was planned, and the earlier rumour that it was supposed to be carried out a month later makes sense.
Does anyone think its possible that Allison stumbled upon these plans, or something close to it, of a financial nature, and she was silenced and killed that very night? It would explain that although it was supposed to be premeditated, it was rather clumsy in the end. something happened that forced the hand of GBC and any other accomplices and they had to do it that night?

As for NBC sitting at the bus stop...his guilt rings out loud and clear, in my eyes anyway.

Even on the off chance that he was dragged into it afterwards and wasnt aware (which I dont believe especially after looking through ASIC yesterday, as it highlighted for me the importance this man places on money) then he still covered up and protected GBC for 8 long weeks of hell for his grandchildren. So did EBC. That is a shocking and disgraceful crime in my opinion, to say nothing at all.

I still wonder about the roundabout and the bins in particular
 
ellou said:
That then may mean ,her hand was missing?
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yes, it could be, or could it mean moving her? maybe the chain rumour has some substance, which brings me back to the car park at Kenmore.
 
ellou said:
That then may mean ,her hand was missing?
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I was thinking maybe the relocation of Allison's body would justify this second charge, but from a quick look, this type of charge doesn't appear to include the disposal of a body. But it DOES include removal of body parts.

Actually, just read a bit more and it seems there could be justification for this charge in terms of the MANNER in which her body was handled after her death.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data...proper-interference-with-a-corpse-s-236-b.pdf
 
Re: Bail:

"CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 15AA
Bail not to be granted in certain cases
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(i) the death of a person is alleged to have been caused by conduct that is a physical element of the offence; or

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According to QLD Law for the charge of Improper Interference With A Corpse,
Sections 236 (b) of the Criminal Code Queensland states:

Any person who, without lawful justification or excuse, the proof of which lies with the person-

Improperly or indecently interferes with, or offers any indignity to, any dead human body or human remains, whether buried or not; is guilty of a misdemeanour.

http://www.australiancriminallawyers.com.au/web/page/QLD_Law_Improper_Interference_With_A_Corpse
 
I really hope that he DOESN'T get bail! I wonder if the COD will now be revealed (after his Court appearance.)

A question for any of our legal minds: When he appears in Court, are his lawyers then entitled to read/see all the evidence against him?
 
Possible defences to this offence include but are not limited to

1. Lawful excuse i.e. body donated to medical research, organ transplant or the victim of a crime

2. Insanity

3. Identification i.e. not the accused

4. That the body was not dead

5. Duress

6. Necessity
 
ellou said:
That then may mean ,her hand was missing?
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I believe it means that she was NOT murdered at the place she was found but rather murdered elsewhere and dumped (for want of a better term). Hence "interfering with a corpse".
 
Strangeworld said:
I was thinking maybe the relocation of Allison's body would justify this second charge, but from a quick look, this type of charge doesn't appear to include the disposal of a body. But it DOES include removal of body parts.

Actually, just read a bit more and it seems there could be justification for this charge in terms of the MANNER in which her body was handled after her death.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data...proper-interference-with-a-corpse-s-236-b.pdf
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Interfering with a corpse is touching it in any way....which includes moving it....

He may have hit her, and she fell and he was angry so he left her where she fell, then walked off. When he returned, he knew she was dead, and just touching her is enough to be charged with interference....according to what I was taught.

basically, your not allowed to touch a dead body....

and fair-enough

PS....UNLESS YOU HAVE LAWFUL REASON TO TOUCH IT...i.e your a doctor, or something
 
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