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    At 3:24, right before LM pans to the Casablanca poster, JLs hands are free, when it cuts back to JL, there is still the string or rope around his wrist and hanging from his right arm. Don't know why it caught my eye but it seemed strange.

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    this was posted in the other thread.. in response to how he got thru the bone..

    "He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I


    looking back it does somewhat look like an angle grinder, but it definitely has an electrical cord of sorts dangling from it.. its the same object he picks up from the side of the bed, as you get a frame or 2 where parts of the cord are visible..

    edit: does anyone have a real good screen capture of the ice pick itself? is it an actual icepick? or a knife at is jsut similar.. reason being, an actual icepick would make a rather small puncture wound, especially on a dead victim. the holes on JL stomach seem to large for an actual icepick, could he have been attempting to aim his stabs into centralized areas to make them larger and more visible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinwonderland View Post
    At 3:24, right before LM pans to the Casablanca poster, JLs hands are free, when it cuts back to JL, there is still the string or rope around his wrist and hanging from his right arm. Don't know why it caught my eye but it seemed strange.
    Yep.. I caught that too...

    another really odd thing I noticed at 3:34 (in my initial viewing still not wanting to believe it was real) is that JL's hand is MUCH darker than his arm and body (under his hand so it isn't the result of the lighting). It looked like a mannequin.

    Also in this same frame (3:34) it is well after the pick because his left arm has been amputated but there are absolutely NO visible wounds on his trunk... further lending to my speculation that LRM photoshopped some of the frames; maybe he goofed up and didn't correct the coloring of his hand as there is an obvious line?

    Perhaps he photoshopped some of the frames to lead us to question whether or not there was more than one victim?

    It's just a small snippet to show the coloring it is not graphic but I will remove it if anyone thinks it should not be shown.
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    I only watched 2 minutes of the video and I remember seeing something that looked like an icepick and I stopped the video. It was a long and thin instrument so the context led me to believe it was an icepick.

    I need some help with my memory. I thought I saw body hair on the victim. Did I imagine this? I thought I saw hair on the tummy area. TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballMom View Post
    Yep.. I caught that too...

    another really odd thing I noticed at 3:34 (in my initial viewing still not wanting to believe it was real) is that JL's hand is MUCH darker than his arm and body (under his hand so it isn't the result of the lighting). It looked like a mannequin.

    Also in this same frame (3:34) it is well after the pick because his left arm has been amputated but there are absolutely NO visible wounds on his trunk... further lending to my speculation that LRM photoshopped some of the frames; maybe he goofed up and didn't correct the coloring of his hand as there is an obvious line?

    Perhaps he photoshopped some of the frames to lead us to question whether or not there was more than one victim?

    It's just a small snippet to show the coloring it is not graphic but I will remove it if anyone thinks it should not be shown.
    I'm not sure but it doesn't look like a knife. Looks like an ice pick (or maybe a screwdriver??)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DD_bwest View Post
    "He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I

    edit: does anyone have a real good screen capture of the ice pick itself?

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    see images for "pick", knife and angle grinder attached...

    ETA: the more I think about it I wonder if he used a screwdriver before the ice pick or instead of due to the size of the trunk wounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I only watched 2 minutes of the video and I remember seeing something that looked like an icepick and I stopped the video. It was a long and thin instrument so the context led me to believe it was an icepick.

    I need some help with my memory. I thought I saw body hair on the victim. Did I imagine this? I thought I saw hair on the tummy area. TIA.

    Yes, there was pubic hair in the beginning... not later (see attached composite I created).
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    Quote Originally Posted by FootballMom View Post
    {RSBM}

    see images for "pick", knife and angle grinder attached...

    ETA: the more I think about it I wonder if he used a screwdriver before the ice pick or instead of due to the size of the trunk wounds.
    I agree. I just found the video again and got up the nerve to watch it in 'full screen' mode. I noticed things I did not notice before. For one thing, the first wounds you see are from the knife I believe - or definitely a much larger object than the ice pick. You see him repeatedly stab the victim with the ice pick, but you do NOT see wounds appearing for the most part. There are also wounds of different sizes on the chest. I wonder if some of the wounds are repeated stabs into the same place??? In any case, I am posting a close up of the original wounds, and a closes up of the chest wounds. Mods, if this is too much, please remove, and I will rephrase without the pictures. I find the pictures really helpful in understanding, but I understand that some people may not be up to seeing this nightmare. I certainly mean no disrespect to JL... quiet the opposite. I want LM put away for life. I cannnot bear another Casey Anthony situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jujercu View Post
    No I don't think so. You can see the hand strap for the hand held cam in the kill vid on more than one occasion. I am 99% sure it was a cam like the one I just posted a link for.
    Is this the camera strap or something from the hoodie he was wearing? You see this item swinging in and out of view as the camera is moved around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DD_bwest View Post
    this was posted in the other thread.. in response to how he got thru the bone..

    "He used an angle grinder you can see him holding it in his right hand in the first 40 seconds of the video. " By, Justice P.I


    looking back it does somewhat look like an angle grinder, but it definitely has an electrical cord of sorts dangling from it.. its the same object he picks up from the side of the bed, as you get a frame or 2 where parts of the cord are visible..
    SBM - I agree that the weapon that was probably used to dismember was something like an angle grinder. Here is a screen shot of the weapon as seen 0:04 into the video, as well as a picture of an angle grinder. In addition, I searched for "angle grinder murder weapon" and found a horrible story on that horrible Bestgore site about a woman who decapitated her son and killed her infant daughter with an angle grinder. I am going to bed now.... this is just all too much. My family was upset with me tonight for even looking at this stuff. I want evidence to be found, documented, and for it to be above reproach in court. Please God, let this case see justice!!!
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    It's interesting that people are finding descrepancies with the video (i.e. disappearing wounds, ties around LM's wrists, the darker coloured hand). Why would LM edit the video this way? We know he was handy with editing photographs. I'm wondering if he thought it would confuse LE and make a conviction more difficult? After all, LM did think himself pretty crafty (even though we all know now that he's not).

    One thing other thing I've been wondering - how long would it take someone to do this kind of editing? I just have trouble imagining LM sitting in his apartment with JL's body parts scattered around, meticulously editing video. And does anyone know what program he might have used?

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    When Bernardo and Homolka were arrested for their horrible crimes, there were so many rumours going around via email about the details in the case. One of the rumours was that Homolka was using the hand from a dead victim to masturbate with and that it was filmed. That escalated to even worse and more shocking rumours of her using a severed hand from one of the victims to masturbate with (at the time, we knew that Leslie Mahaffy, one of the victims, was found dismembered). This rumour is STILL out there on the internet. It turned out that Homolka did use the hand of an unconscious victim (I can't remember who, maybe it was "Jane Doe") I have to wonder if LM's obsession with Karla helped with his sick ideas of what to do with Lin Jun's body parts. Just throwing that out there.

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    As far the bloodless wounds go, the victim had probably already bled out. When the body is flipped over it seems that remaining blood had already begun to settle to his back, so the icepick wounds wouldn't have welled up due to lack of circulation (and gravity).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingpattern View Post
    As far the bloodless wounds go, the victim had probably already bled out. When the body is flipped over it seems that remaining blood had already begun to settle to his back, so the icepick wounds wouldn't have welled up due to lack of circulation (and gravity).
    I think this is called LIVOR MORTIS. Blood congeals in the capillaries due to gravity in about 4-5 hours (from wikipidia). Does the back have a black and blue colour? This could indicate some time between the actual death and when the body was flipped over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matou View Post
    I think this is called LIVOR MORTIS. Blood congeals in the capillaries due to gravity in about 4-5 hours (from wikipidia). Does the back have a black and blue colour? This could indicate some time between the actual death and when the body was flipped over.
    There is discoloration, but not as much as google images links to livor mortis, so it might be early in the onset, or something else altogether. It's just something I noticed at the time.

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