What must we all learn about both functions - to control them until approp to let go of control. Being out of control with both is, generally, negative.
So, with LM are we all back to control pathology.
Also, I would deeply suspect that very bad things (abuse / household) happened, when he was, little and had an accident. Might wanting to play with feces be a acting out regarding potty training
In addition, most think either urine or feces are full of germs. He described mom as a germaphobic -- more acting out, defiance, rage and F*** you mom??
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Did LM really kill J?
IMO, unless the jury is on LSD(!) or something there is NO other avenue here.
ALso does anyone know of any other case, wherein video of an actual killing was in the prosecutions hands BEFORE any proceedings?
You know, you and I are on the same page on this theme!
Shoot, in this case I have not even heard anything akin to -- It’s not enough to say: “I told so-and-so that a child was at risk. I did my part.”
Well, maybe one person, the reporter ( I think Joe Warmington) who asked him if needed help after the interview.
I think by not doing eval now, look how it worked out - NOTHING is happening for 9 months as it stands now! We all know in March more dancing.
Buying time legally.
Hey, you got me on tape mutulating another human being - not really sure if I would have anything in my closet that could quite outshock that , no?
Just legal buying time. Media in a year and half the trial ,in AMerica, IMO, page 4 blurb from day one of the trial (and remember guys IMO, I do not think he will be alive (suicide or killed in jail- JMO!)
He went from being labelled a "porn star" to "porn actor" and now...."small-time porn actor".
That just cracked me up. You are NOTHING, Eric.
http://www.intelligencer.ca/2012/06/...constant-watchThe 29-year-old former small-time porn actor was moved to the R.D.P. jail on Tuesday afternoon.
I disagree with your first paragraph. Ultimately, the accused decides.
As for your theory that he will kill himself, I don't see how considering he's being watched 24/7 but hey, maybe someone will turn their backs for a couple of hours and slip him a cord or something. I wish.
One scenario that you may not have thought of is that perhaps the prescribed medication is something fairly new. Perhaps during his incarceration in Germany his lawyer had him see a psychiatrist who is the one that prescribed the meds for depression, etc. We do not know the dosage which could very well be extremely low. This could me a very calculated move by the defense. This may be the only venue they have to fight the Crowns allegations.
Also many of you, when you saw the word "dysfunctional " , thought that what LM posted about abuse was true. My definition of dysfunctional is much broader, and having read a lot of lies from LM, I am starting to think that what the aunt meant was not what LM alluded to. I can't trust his words at all at this point.
In regards to this article http://blogs.canada.com/2012/06/23/s...t-is-our-duty/, I couldn't help wondering about some things.
In the past he clearly made some acquaintances and/or friends. Even relationships, not long ones, but still. All those stories discribe "red flag moments". But the stories never revealed whether or not someone took action after those "red flag moments". They simply state " he made jokes about killing animals" or " He suffered from mood swings " (I just took 2 examples, matou contributed a whole list about what has been said, thanks for that ), but there is no word about how the interviewed has reacted on those occassions, other then " yes I found it disdurbing ", " I stopped seeing him ".
A natural reaction when noticing red flags or even danger is: omg, I need to get out of this ASAP. But if you are acquaintances and/or friends with someone for a certain timespan, also a normal reaction is, that you develop a certain feeling of "caring " or
" well-being " for this person, otherwise you wouldn't hang out with them. I keep wondering whether his former acquaintances or friends, reached out a hand. Asking why he felt a certain way or crave fame for example. Or did they simply turned their backs on him, just for their own sake.
Now I don't try to put the blame on anyone here, just some things I was wondering about. Just food for thought basicly.
MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE CRIMINAL CODE
Section 16(1) of the Canadian Criminal Code explains the defence of mental disorder as “No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the quality and nature of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.”
Not Criminally Responsible On Account Of Mental Disorder (NCRMD)
To be found NCRMD the accused must go through a court-ordered psychiatric assessment by a certified expert. It must be shown that the accused was suffering from a mental disorder at the time of the offence and therefore was incapable of appreciating the nature or quality of the act/omission and did not understand that it was wrong. *If the accused is found not criminally responsible, he/she is neither convicted nor acquitted and therefore not sentenced. Instead, the Court Review Board will decide on the most appropriate arrangement which may be 1)*absolute discharge 2)*discharge with conditions or 3)*detention in a hospital based on a set of criteria that have been set out by the Criminal Code.
Fitness to Stand Trial
The criminal justice system of Canada presumes fitness, however if the accused unable to understand the proceedings or communicate with counsel then he/she will be deemed unfit to stand trial. The Canadian Criminal Code defines ‘unfit to stand trial’ as, “unable on account of mental disorder to conduct a defence at any stage of the proceedings before a verdict is rendered or to instruct counsel to do so.” *If an individual is found to be unfit then he/she is dealt with by the Court Review Board until he/she is considered to be fit and tried. An inquiry will be held two years after the initial finding to determine if there is adequate information, this process will continue every two years until the accused is either acquitted or tried. If there is sufficient evidence that treatment will render the accused fit without causing any harm to the accused, the court may order medical treatment. This treatment, however, may not exceed a period of 60 days.
I'm a bit confused on the bolded part. In the case of Allan Schoenborn, he was found Guilty but NCR:
In February, 2010, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Robert Powers, who heard the three-month trial in Kamloops without a jury, found that the killings were deliberate and planned by Allen Dwayne Schoenborn, and found him guilty of first-degree murder in their deaths BUT that he was not sane at the time. Guilty but not criminally responsible was the verdict. That’s right, deliberate and premeditated murders, and a subsequent ten-day flight from police, but he’s not responsible.
I believe it meant that he was guilty of the killing (meaning no question he killed the person based on the evidence) but found to be insane at the time of the killing based on evidence. Therefore he would appear before a Board who would decide treatment, review, and decision as to how best to treat his insanity and decide how long he would be held in a psychiatric facility and if his condition was treatable. If his condition was deemed to not be treatable he would be kept in the psychiatric facility indefinitely and if treatable a decision would be made at multiple board hearings if and when he could be released.I'm a bit confused on the bolded part. In the case of Allan Schoenborn, he was found Guilty but NCR:
Additional information re that case, we may not like it or agree with it. LM's defense may be going to try and use the same to get their client ......
I've asked about it in the thread #10 when other posters where saying that LM could be an hermaphrodite. here goes what I wrote:
"This is just speculation from my part but there is always a possibility that he planned for his future to have a sex change and get a new identity before being found by the police. I came up with this theory because when he promoted the 1lunatic 1ice pick video on youtube, he used an account called "alexisvaloranreich". And according to wikipedia:
"Alexis Valoran Reich (born December 11, 1964) is an American trans woman formerly known as John Mark Karr who in 2006 falsely confessed to the unsolved murder of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey."
Now this is no evidence and is probably unrelated since he had so many aliases, but I found interesting the youtube nickname choice. "
A conviction is only given I believe at the sentencing which did not happen. You can not sentence in this case. The so called "sentence"' for lack of a better word, in this case because of insanity or not criminally .... gives all rights to the Board only and not the court or judge.
Seems most of the MSM got it wrong. I think the Globe & Mail got it right by quoting the judge as follows:
full article at:"I find that Mr. Schoenborn did commit the first-degree murder for each of his children ... but is not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder," Mr. Justice Robert Powers of B.C. Supreme Court ruled.
So no finding of GUILT per se. Good job by G&M !!
It's interesting that in several posts Magnotta claims to dream about being gang raped in prison or ask to be raped by a stranger but at the same time he wrote one long post whining that he was raped in a foreign country and had to go to the ER and his mother left him there alone. Do you guys remember those posts? It's so confusing to me because he asks to be raped and then when he is raped he complains... so it could be that when he lacks control, he freaks out. IDK...
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I forgot to mention this when we found out that LM was apparently on prescribed medication...that one of the many side-effects of at least one of these is weight gain. That is something I do know happens because of my brother-in-law and his meds for his schizophrenia and he put on a lot of weight very quickly. Perhaps my theory that LM was only recently prescribed these drugs by the Geman psychiatrist may prove true or he was not taking them. I do however reiterate that schizophrenics not on meds are VERY agitated and can not function and LM seemed to be able to premeditated by announcing this vid on line two weeks before the actual murder, dispose of body very methologically and purchase an air ticket and make his escape. If that is someone that is not in control of his faculties.....