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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzmo View Post
    Great find! I am confused, not about the defense of a narcissistic outburst, but about regards to how the diagnosis helped him other then to make his charge a lesser crime? He still was sentenced to life in prison. Would he have faced a death penalty otherwise?
    Not sure because this didn't happen in Canada. There was talk at first that he was going to be charged with second degree murder, LM that is, and then it was changed to first degree. I am wondering if the Crown thought it was prudent to do so to ensure that they could at least get a conviction of second or manslaughter at least depending on what his defense came up regarding mental illness. The Crown wants to ensure, I think, that he does serve jail time versus being remanded to a psychiatric facility. Jmoo

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    At the pre-trial the Crown will present what evidence they have and their witnesses that will be used. The defense will have time to go over the evidence and based on that will discuss with LM if he should continue to plead not guilty or if the Crown brings to the table a plea bargain, lesser sentence, if LM pleads guilty to a lesser charge of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. It may mean the difference of never getting out of prison on a first degree charge versus getting out for sure after 25 years or less. If this happens there will be no trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunday View Post
    You are right, not everyone who was abused becomes a psychopath, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a psychopath who wasn't abused.
    Yes, agreed. I remember reading about Dahmer and was wondering if he was abused. Abuse is kind of a relative term. His parents never
    'abused" him outright but they fought a lot and he maybe was neglected because of the fighting. Apparently he was bullied in school and told to suck it up. I believe he had a brother as well and growing up in the same household, he wasn't a serial killer. Parents fighting and school bullying are so common with so many people, but I'm starting to believe you have to be born a certain way for your defense mechanisms for survival kick in to the point that you've lost all empathy for others.

    He did talk about his mindset and crimes, and he said he was never sexually abused as a child. So how does his history translate to killing and eating his victims? Can people just be born with a screw loose that allows them to let evil enter into their lives? If you look at dogs, for instance, some are naturally dominant and aggressive, but most can be trained to obey if properly trained. But once in a while, there are some that just can't be trained. It begs the question, is this just a natural, but rare phenomenon?

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    @Mbshafeena

    Ah, okay. I'm in the US, so am pretty clueless as to how our neighbors to the north run their legal system? I don't expect you to know England's legal system when I don't know yours. Very interesting article all the same. Do you believe that type of defense could be used in Canada and actually have an impact on reducing LM's sentence? I don't believe the narcissistic outburst defense would work in the US court system...chances are the prisons are saturated with narcissists, antisocials, sociopaths and psychopaths. If they all get reduced sentences for their "fits of rage" the streets would be a lot less safe IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mbshafeena View Post
    Brian Blackwell (born 1986) is an English murderer. He killed his parents - 72-year-old Brian and 61-year-old Jacqueline - at their home in Melling, a village in the northern suburbs of Liverpool, England, on 25 July 2004. Medical experts have since diagnosed Blackwell as having narcissistic personality disorder, which is characterised by extreme feelings of self-importance, a high need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.
    Blackwell was described as an "exemplary student" at Liverpool College and nicknamed "Brains" by his family. He created a web of lies about his life, including claiming he was a professional tennis player. To support his claims of wealth, he applied for thirteen credit cards in his father's name. He killed his parents after they became suspicious about his increasingly lavish lifestyle and began asking him questions about it. [1] He beat both with a claw hammer and stabbed them repeatedly. After the killings, he took his girlfriend Amal on holiday to New York, USA, where he spent £30,000, including the bill for a three night stay in the presidential suite at the Plaza Hotel. A week later he returned to school and found that he had earned As in all of his A-levels, which would have gained him a place at the University of Nottingham to study medicine in October. However, the decomposing bodies of his parents were found in September. The attacks were so severe that investigators initially thought the couple had been shot.
    During an interview, Blackwell claimed he knew nothing of his parents' deaths and was on holiday when they were murdered. After two days of questioning, Blackwell's story began to change. He confessed to the murders and claimed that he had acted in self-defence. According to Blackwell, he was holding a claw hammer for hanging a picture on the wall when his father stood up to hit him. Investigators had previously learned that Blackwell's father had been struck on the back of the head while sitting down, which conflicts with Blackwell's claim of self-defence. Afterwards, according to Blackwell, his mother came in, and he attacked her.
    Blackwell was charged with murder and was due to stand trial; however, that charge was dropped after he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of manslaughter on the ground of diminished responsibility after experts diagnosed him to have narcissistic personality disorder. An episode of narcissistic rage can occur when the narcissist is perceivably being prevented from accomplishing their grandiose fantasies.[2] Blackwell was sentenced to life imprisonment on 29 June 2005. This was the first case in an English court where narcissistic personality disorder had been found to be a defence to murder.
    Manslaughter got him life in prison??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    Yeh, that is where, when, I was asked for proof, regarding drug dealing, there is no proof of escort stuff, massage person, -- but I must say this is a wildly bright place.

    We all, as I have enjoyed experiencing the last week, capable of making and sharing neat stuff without "proof" that quietly, we all know are realities.

    And I do not remember the poster, but it was lifestyle out on fringes, that is what I was saying the word fringes were IT! –

    Porn, sex fetish, posting killer junk, slaughtering animals, cats, humans ,credit card fraud, Michael Jackson surgeries (!) -- for anyone IMO to possibly think , that no matter how mentally disturbed any one might be, one might not need a beer prior to slaughtering a human being , just to me sounds kind of silly

    This dude’s life was not 9-5 at Wall Mart – with a 401K thrown in. Come on guys!
    So my, without PROOF suggesting drug dealing as a viable component of LMs possible history just did not strike me as OUT THERE, or me throwing stuff at some wall to see if it sticks – just my O!!
    There is proof of the escorting. There were ads he allegedly placed that are probably still on the net...I don't think I'm the only one that saw them. He advertised himself as a twink and used a couple of different names.

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    [quote=Mbshafeena;8089926]

    I just finished watching "The Good Son" Has anyone seen this movie?[/quote
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    Long long time ago - bad kid kills stuff if i recall - !!!!!! I think that little kid from home alone was the killer --not sure tho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousRus View Post
    Yes, agreed. I remember reading about Dahmer and was wondering if he was abused. Abuse is kind of a relative term. His parents never
    'abused" him outright but they fought a lot and he maybe was neglected because of the fighting. Apparently he was bullied in school and told to suck it up. I believe he had a brother as well and growing up in the same household, he wasn't a serial killer. Parents fighting and school bullying are so common with so many people, but I'm starting to believe you have to be born a certain way for your defense mechanisms for survival kick in to the point that you've lost all empathy for others.

    He did talk about his mindset and crimes, and he said he was never sexually abused as a child. So how does his history translate to killing and eating his victims? Can people just be born with a screw loose that allows them to let evil enter into their lives? If you look at dogs, for instance, some are naturally dominant and aggressive, but most can be trained to obey if properly trained. But once in a while, there are some that just can't be trained. It begs the question, is this just a natural, but rare phenomenon?
    I believe there are genetic predispositions to mental illness, and then there are also degrees of illness.

    There is so much complexity to development. Brain chemistry plays a huge role and we are still just learning the nuances. For example, for years Drs have been prescribing antidepressants to patients with the same diagnosis but getting dramatically different results. Now they (research community) realize that you just can't carpet bomb the brain with certain medications and get the desired result. What calms and comforts 90% of individuals agitates and harms the other 10%. They are working on developing custom meds that target specific areas of the brain in each individual depending upon their specific needs/deficiencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    My third personality just logged in and now has to get caught up! Even with three of us sometimes just cant keep up !!!!!!!!!!!!

    God awefu,l but funny, i just thought boy I would be a lot of trips to the post office for LM! I know I know but a little leviity on occ is ok !
    LOL, please make sure your most coherent and good-speller self logs in most frequently! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    JMO,
    Hey I am consistent - I think, because of imo his horrible abuse , he has been thinking about killing since he was a kid. And he had been posting awful stuff for many years they - escalated as noone paid attn to any of his pain...........
    IDK... When I was an angry and angst ridden teen I thought about killing A LOT, but I can honestly say I never really entertained the thought. It was always a fleeting fantasy in a moment of extreme rage. Very similar to those times where I tossed around the idea of killing myself. I always snapped out of it like, "WTF is wrong w/you? What are you thinking?" I try to imagine what would have made me continue entertaining those thoughts and ideas. All I can cone up with is rage, anger, and hatred - towards others but more towards myself. I'd have to hate myself to harm someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    At this point the FACTS are: We know of no history of mental illness in his family. We have no proof that Magnotta is mentally ill.


    Not really sure what proof , in mental health , looks like (no xray/blood labs) - but we have thousands of interviews, in fact not one story since it broke does include mental illiness

    o is Luka Rocco Magnotta? - Canada - CBC News





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    As most of you are aware, Luka Magnotta created a snuff video containing murder, dismemberment and necrophilia and posted it online.





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    There are reasons for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Cariis, you are way off here. In the absence of proof there is more than enough evidence.

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    Technical: Does everyone have to refresh before thanking or is it something on my end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    At this point the FACTS are: We know of no history of mental illness in his family. We have no proof that Magnotta is mentally ill.


    Not really sure what proof , in mental health , looks like (no xray/blood labs) - but we have thousands of interviews, in fact not one story since it broke does include mental illiness


    There are reasons for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Regarding the information you shared, it is critically important to note that none of the talking head shrinks quoted in the various articles have evaluated or met Magnotta; therefore void of anything resembling proof.

    While I saw you posted something allegedly written by Magnotta in a internet forum it is important to consider how many of the posts that have been proven to be written by him have also been proven to be full of false information.


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    Dahmers father wrote a book -- it was decent (not great!)
    A Father's Story
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    True, however clusters of symptoms generally tend to allow for educated notions - even from afar.....and I wonder what has been "proven false" if we are going to use the notion of "proven" on both sides!
    It's been discussed and noted in previous threads. I'd suggest starting on general thread one page one and reading until the current posts if you want the most accurate, educated answer to your question.

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    [quote=CuriousRus;8090413]There is proof of the escorting.

    That is true! I stand corrected and TY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunday View Post
    Cariis, you are way off here. In the absence of proof there is more than enough evidence.
    That is what I was saying -- IMO- there is severe mental illiness in this family system!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    That is what I was saying -- IMO- there is severe mental illiness in this family system!
    No, you said there was no history of mental illness in his family and no proof that LRM is mentally ill.

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    Okay, it's getting late and SB is getting a bit cranky, but

    In the interests of general forum posting etiquette, I would respectfully request and really appreciate if posters could please do a bit more by way of <snips> of relevant information when quoting long posts by others; and take the time to preview their posts a bit to see how they look before hitting the submit button.

    One example, post #888 contains a couple of small sentences, a couple of links, yet is filled with large amounts of blank space. Then the full post gets quoted as opposed to a <snip>, and ends up causing a lot of wasted space within the threads with redundant info. The purpose of the little blue arrow beside the quoted poster is there for others to review what the original post said if they wish to do so.

    I'm not the forum police here, but I don't believe i'm alone in finding this thread particularly exhausting. Maybe we should have a psyche profile on cranky posters.
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    I cut paste wrong that was cut and paste from another poster but i pasted wrong ! - Sorry about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by sillybilly View Post
    Okay, it's getting late and SB is getting a bit cranky, but

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    I'm not the forum police here, but I don't believe i'm alone in finding this thread particularly exhausting. Maybe we should have a psyche profile on cranky posters.
    Thanx, I did not know that and wondered how some of you all got it to be shorter!

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    Well, folks, I think that there are a lot of folks much more in need of psychoanalysis than Luka. Looks like Justin Beiber is old news: http://lukamagnottaobsession.wordpre...elmed-by-luka/

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    Yes Sunday ... so sad that we have so many young peeps admiring LRM when Lin Jun would have been such a better role model for them. I had to step into parenting my own grandchildren who arrived with a lot of emotional baggage. As teens, they had a passing fancy with goth, vampires, and the like, but fortunately have matured into young adults who have developed more humanitarian interests such poverty, homelessness, environment, animal rights, etc.

    I would have loved for them to have had a Lin Jun in their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HastingsChi View Post
    First and foremost on this day of observation, I'd like to wish you and all citizens of Quebec a very happy belated Saint Jean Baptiste Day.

    Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply ~n/t~, it is much appreciated.

    To clarify the question regarding the apartment in Point St. Charles that Magnotta lived from December 2011 until February 2012 which apparently was less than a kilometre from the convenience store where Lin worked as a part-time cashier:
    Would the convenience store Lin worked at be the closest convenience store to Magnotta's Point St. Charles apartment; the one Magnotta would be most likely to use?

    Thanks, in advance, for your thoughts!
    Not knowing the accused killer's address, I would guess yes. Less than a km would be the closest one to him and the one he used the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunday View Post
    Well, folks, I think that there are a lot of folks much more in need of psychoanalysis than Luka. Looks like Justin Beiber is old news: http://lukamagnottaobsession.wordpre...elmed-by-luka/
    That is very disturbing.

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