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    The Extradition

    Someone yesterday posted an article from National Post (?) have to go to work or I would find it. Few things since I won't be able to post rest of day:
    1.Article said way L.M. was brought back to Canada was unprecedented and probably illegal under international law that the correct extradition process as not followed.

    2. But IMO Canada could not leave him in Germany though had to get in home could not take risk he would talk.

    3. IMO I think much more chance of him being found criminally not responsible they do not like what he is going to say, who he says he has links to (for example has slept with and if there are other government contacts say as an informant).

    4. I don't believe (entirely) the story about Quebec wanting to avoid a media circus. Slightly exaggerating here to make my point but it is like LM is being internally renditioned and sent into a black prison. They won't be able to allow him to talk.

    5. Don't forget the "pull" factor of the psychiatric establishment which will want to get their hooks in him for study and, if I am right and he is "the man who knows too much" they will have to blast that out of him as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chorley8 View Post
    Someone yesterday posted an article from National Post (?) have to go to work or I would find it. Few things since I won't be able to post rest of day:
    1.Article said way L.M. was brought back to Canada was unprecedented and probably illegal under international law that the correct extradition process as not followed.

    2. But IMO Canada could not leave him in Germany though had to get in home could not take risk he would talk.

    3. IMO I think much more chance of him being found criminally not responsible they do not like what he is going to say, who he says he has links to (for example has slept with and if there are other government contacts say as an informant).

    4. I don't believe (entirely) the story about Quebec wanting to avoid a media circus. Slightly exaggerating here to make my point but it is like LM is being internally renditioned and sent into a black prison. They won't be able to allow him to talk.
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    A few responses.

    First, there was nothing "illegal" or "unprecedented" about how LRM was extradited. Generally speaking, extradition is a matter of international relations between two states; there are no specific requirements about how extradition must be carried out. The only time where international law becomes an issue, is when a state refuses to extradition but also refuses to prosecute a suspect. This becomes a matter of "safe harbours".

    I think what you're thinking of is the process of extraordinary rendition, an extra-judicial process, which is entirely different. This is where, say, State A secretly renders or removes a criminal suspect from the territory of State A, in order to have him interrogated in State B, which has more lax laws or legal protections. That is not what happened here-- this was a fugitive being quickly returned to face justice. In fact, the process was flawlessly done, with judicial input from a German Court; diplomatic exchanges, etc. Nothing "extra judicial" about it.

    The news articles describing the extradition as "exceptional" was because it was exceptional for a suspect to be transported not in a commercial airline, but in a military plane. There is nothing illegal about that; obviously, it just means LE was taking this more seriously.

    Source: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...canada-reports


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    And furthermore .... that RCAF Air Bus is used REGULARLY to transport Canadian officials, diplomats, etc all around the world, who could easily take commercial flights. If people gripe about the costs they should dig into all those flights. This was extremely delicate and handled the best it possibly could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunted82 View Post
    And furthermore .... that RCAF Air Bus is used REGULARLY to transport Canadian officials, diplomats, etc all around the world, who could easily take commercial flights. If people gripe about the costs they should dig into all those flights. This was extremely delicate and handled the best it possibly could.
    exactly and how much did it cost each of us anyway? like .05 CENTS each?

    well-worth it IMO

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    Luka Magnotta’s ‘ridiculous Hannibal Lecter treatment’ a waste of taxpayers’ money: prison union

    He’s not an international terrorist and he’s not a gangster with accomplices on the outside, we’re going to transport him by standard means,” Stephane Lemaire, head of the provincial jail guards’ union, said.

    “It’s ridiculous the amount of money that was wasted to give the media a show…. To see that much security, it feels like we’re dealing with Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs.”
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...-prison-union/


    Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Luka Magnotta’s ‘ridiculous Hannibal Lecter treatment’ a waste of taxpayers’ money: prison union



    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06...-prison-union/


    Amen!

    They erred on the side of over caution for many reasons, but mostly...

    1) they had no idea the amount of media / other people that might have showed up for a circus like atmosphere. Even though they tried to keep it secret, I knew he was landing at Mirabel at least 2 hours before he landed.

    2) it was of utmost importance that his safety be observed so they had the ability to process him, and importantly for LE, question him on some pressing matters (the head). they couldn't take any chance of some nutjob lunging up and shooting him, Lee Harvey Oswald style.

    As it turned, the media was well behaved and followed orders on where they could be, and there wasn't the turnout they expected. In this day or age, everyone just piggybacks off others broadcasts, so the world press just let CBC, and TVA Nouvelles do all the labour. And I agree, that amount of vehicles in the escort was ridicolous and un-necessary, but overall, procedurally, I thought it was a good high security operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haunted82 View Post
    They erred on the side of over caution for many reasons, but mostly...

    1) they had no idea the amount of media / other people that might have showed up for a circus like atmosphere. Even though they tried to keep it secret, I knew he was landing at Mirabel at least 2 hours before he landed.

    2) it was of utmost importance that his safety be observed so they had the ability to process him, and importantly for LE, question him on some pressing matters (the head). they couldn't take any chance of some nutjob lunging up and shooting him, Lee Harvey Oswald style.

    As it turned, the media was well behaved and followed orders on where they could be, and there wasn't the turnout they expected. In this day or age, everyone just piggybacks off others broadcasts, so the world press just let CBC, and TVA Nouvelles do all the labour. And I agree, that amount of vehicles in the escort was ridicolous and un-necessary, but overall, procedurally, I thought it was a good high security operation.
    Sadly, he won't and never will reveal where the head is especially now that he has an attorney and pleaded not guilty.

    The over protectiveness is beyond ridiculous. He's an accused murderer. Period. So what he commits suicide. It would save us and his family from having to relive this horrific murder every single day for the next few years (or however long it takes for this trial to get going and completed).

    I want justice but eh, if it can be avoided because he decided to off himself, so be it.


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    Cost of Airbus

    according to TVA nouvelles, it is estimated to have cost $263 500 just for the flight - it has not yet been determined who will foot the bill...most likely Ottawa because it's international. The plane was stationed in Cold Lake, Alberta and traveled Alberta-Montreal -Berlin-Montreal taking approximately 17 hours @ $15 000/hour

    http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/judiciair...20-195212.html

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    Did anyone find it strange that when he was flown back to Canada, he was cuffed with hands in front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellybeanz View Post
    Did anyone find it strange that when he was flown back to Canada, he was cuffed with hands in front?
    I don't think they would have had him sit on his hands for the duration of the flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellybeanz View Post
    Did anyone find it strange that when he was flown back to Canada, he was cuffed with hands in front?
    nope.....ive told the story in other LM threads about the convicted sexual molestor (of his own daughter) that was flown via commerical airline....
    cuffed in front with a chain around his waste....
    dum spiro, spero

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    The four plain clothed police, were they all from the same force or two teams of two, do we know?

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