06-25-2012, 10:36 AM #16
Further research into this 'Treasure hunt" my suspect is into:
I discovered that Ochoco Forest (this particular area of interest to me near Steens Pillar) is in Crook County...just another link to Parad(ice)(ae) through the Crook(ed) shoes(souls) and Crook(ed) cues(q's) (susie cues)
also, the crooked river is near there. Look up the word KEN in hierogliphics...
look at that crooked river...
STILL NO RETURN CALL FROM COLD CASE! ALMOST 1 WEEK (I may have to do this on my own)
I have an area of interest(an area specifically shown to me on his map by him, my POI)
that vould be using steens pillar as a compass needle with the suns shadow...
It is an interesting search.
I am continuously trying to remember everey word that ever came from this mans mouth...
" A message for Zodiac---'The Bunny Hides Eggs because the Chic/ken layed them' (eggs hate being layed)
notice citricula is the 'YOLK"?
I feel like I am chasing Satan.
06-25-2012, 11:00 AM #17
I wish I had more to add TimeCop. People may not be posting, but for sure they care. You can take a look at how many hits your thread has had. 377 as of this post.email me
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06-25-2012, 11:46 AM #18
06-25-2012, 03:28 PM #19
I appreciate the comments. I guess it is best I just stay anonymous(I have family and friends I worry about. I am 100% God has my back, so I will continue cracking the code:
I do worry about family and friends. I also am leary to speak to the local police, because there is something about the way this guy has a (BS) cover and credentials to back his past and my past is not spotless ( he is apparently a good figure here)-I am probably not a reliable witness by police standards. But I am no dumb ass either, and my antennae has gone up and stayed up. There are habits this guy displays that lead me to believe he could easily have a habit of killing:
He is a sexual sadist (from comments about him by others and discussions about his divorces)
He has a cover (the treasure hunt)to travel to the area which would be a perfect dumping grounds for not only Zodiac, but I-5 and Highways of Tears killer. I have linked the area to the zodiac clues in several ways
SOme weird things surround the past of the OCHOCO forest connection(his fascination he has called PARADISE on several occasions) that lead me to believe he was giving me clues , not only to the Zodiac killings, but others possibly as well...such as his speaking of Genies and accidentally lettung one out, his deep fascination with the number 14 and PINES in his treasure hunt, his fixation on a 1960's mustang in the book ( I noticed the make of car in the Zodiac movie of the killer looked to be a mustang)( I wonder how the movie maker came to that conclusion?)
(a horse like the one on his Ranger District/forest service map(older than available maps) looks to be a mustang(wild horse)
A weird link to the area of steens pillar (a phalic looking rock) and Ochoco forest that led him to telling me a purposefull LIE when I asked the location of STeens pillar in reference to a spring in the area ( I later discovered it was not miles away but within a mile)
Now that I see where the lines are on his MAPS of the treasure hunt of my POI in my mind and how they cross a certain area, I think I can solve some of his riddles.
One just came to mind as I was trying to think of how to connect eggs,easter, and a bunny beyond what I already have:
One of the Zodiac letters uses FRY(like as to FRY an EGG) as friday several times and uses 'dozen' as a descriptive word (referemce to a dozen eggs?) when saying how many people he will kill on his ram-Page (Map Rage?) (The eater bunny usually makes a map of wher ehis eggs are hidden)
I wonder if FRY(sun) is NOON and DOZEN is as well(12)
A noon sun points Steens pillar at the 'eye' of bunny on his old map if I see this in my minds eye correctly.(I still cannot find a copy of that map online like I once did, but continue to seek it to share what I see there)
06-25-2012, 08:00 PM #20
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06-25-2012, 08:36 PM #21
I had my neighbor look at the enlarged enelope the zodiac sent to the editor SAn Francisco Paper and she see a face also wish I knew how to print it that larger .
06-26-2012, 04:25 AM #22
I found the eye of the rabbit and it is the only spring on the whole map that was hand drawn in (right eye of rabbit is the spring and, I found the horse and the place he is researching(ta-da, It took 2 days)
I then zoomed in with google maps and then the weirdest thing. I found a mans face in the satellite view as if someone has done some fine art in the soil...its very weird.
I noticed when I found the map top at topomaps.com that oregon is the only state that clearly has the zodiacs CROSS HAIRS in the green area (oregon) top upper portion of oregon. THE ONLY STATE WITH THAT ZODIAC SYMBOL NATURALY
So i used this zodiac cross hairs and zoommed in, using the points as 12-3-6-9 to represnt NESW
The bottom left quarter of the Zodiac looking natural markings *rivers*
is the area between 6-8 and 6-9 (zodiac killed in 68(i believe) and 69)
Sure enough, when you zoom in to this location, there is the rabbit on Big Mowich Mountian in the Ochoco forrest,
When you look at topomaps.com and see oregon state, look how that area of the 6-9 on that ZODIAC looking symbol how it is precicely the center of the state,
USGS Map Name: Big Mowich Mountain, OR Map MRC: 43119H5
I have saved zoom shots as photos and can outline the horse and rabbit and heart that so interests my POI
I am not sure if I can legally share the photos here, as they are copyrighted. ANy ideas? I have also copied the zodiac symbol and not sure if I can share that. I am going into paint to size up some photos.
@PAt: save photo to your photos. click open photo, right click it, open with paint(in stretch /skew you can enlarge the photo(set setting of 100(both of them) to a new setting of 200, you can then increase in increments of 50 for best resolution outcome. I will try to do this with the face I found as well within the Zodiac sign in Oregon State.
I have drawn a quick sketch of Oregon and what you will see on the oregon map(while it is still green at topomaps.com) (the ZODIAC SIGN)
06-26-2012, 04:50 AM #23
Steens pillar it turns out, is farther away than a mile as I suggested, I was looking at a wrong area on the maps. Also, the face I fiund is in Crook county near a plateu north of Prineville. These two locations are almost identical. The reason it took so long to find the horse and rabbit is because they are not upright on the maps.
But todays find of the Zodiac symbol precicely where my suspect hunts his treasure is another coincidence maybe, but like I have been saying, this POI of mine is a sneaky game player, he like to encode things and the chances he used this area and spotted the things I mentioned from his MAP makes me think this OLDER version of the OCHOCO forest map is old enough to match the crimes(not sure, but one version was printed in 1964-this version unsure)
Something else! Cues, q's and the RCC CCR link(song susue q): as a 'Q' =Question marks? Susie Q's????. Maybe someone into cyphers might get something from this .
06-27-2012, 01:43 AM #24
I have found a natural radian like I mentioned above that lies in oregon. I marked with an X where his location is at. After matching this with the compass rose color chart, I found an interesting link to my POI's fixation on the nimber 27.
27 is cobalt
cobalt is approximately at 8 oclock on the compas rose color chart
If this SCOPE of the Zidiac is playing on cobalt and the numer 27, then I see it as this:
2+3+4+5+6+7 = 27
or 2 oclock, 3 oclock,4 oclock, etc, leving the next number at 8 o'clock
My suspects location in the natural radian in oregon matches this Zodiac letter(see photos and compare)
PS. I can not add this photo(so compare photo at this link
with my photo below)
A PERFECT MATCH
06-28-2012, 04:13 PM #25
I am amazed by all the great deciphering work you've done, Time Cop! I noticed a few words and thought I'd throw these translations out there:
Ken-to an English speaker, this is what the Hebrew word for "yes" sounds like.
Ass-in Luxembourgish (yes-that's a real language) this word means "is". The German word for the English version of ass is "arsch".
Val-I don't have any foreign language translations for this word, but it reminded me of something. I grew up a few hours south of the Bay Area, but I have a lot of family members who live in the Bay. My father and aunts used to refer to the town of Vallejo as "Valley Joe".
This may not help at all, but I just thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone's suspect had Jewish/Luxembourg connections. The Luxembourgish language is somewhat of a hybrid of German and French. Yiddish is related to Hebrew, and Yiddish has a lot of similarities with German.Do you have language questions or letters/documents that you'd like to have examined in order to determine the language background of the writer? I can help!
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07-17-2012, 06:10 PM #28
He is engrossed in a treasure hunt that ended in 82 I think
The cryptology and his methods , not to mention his name gave me a huge advantage, but this guy is a strong upstanding citizen here for 30 years and he is a step above me, I was convicted of burglary 25 years ago.
I am not a criminal, but I do not trust the police a whole lot, even cold case never called me in the 2 weeks I still had a cell phone.
I am compiling these within these threads:
The paradise key
the cypher naming KEN
several meanings that lead to KEN
The exorcist letter spells KEN and my POI kens last name (left over few staveless runes make his middle initial as well)
I see an A+ B code embedded in the letters but have still to solve the key there, as he used VAC and three dots and ALT and three dots to encrypt those from another letter i do believe, but still find no text to go by that seems like a cypher key. After(A) and Before(B) is so vast, it could be about time as he suggests in embedding his story in the confession letter, but still, he loses me when he speaks of a bus bomb and the +'s become words,not letters, so i get lost. I wish I had 2 computers.
I have found alot to link my guy:
First he repeats word for word the Zodiac poem header(first suspected Zodiac writting)making me suspicious to beggin with.
Then, I recognized that and found he went to a high school in Pleasanton (probably a 67 graduate) where one of the Zodiac letters came from.
His photo is a DEAD ON match to the sketch and from there I became real suspicious of his treasure hunt activity(a long ended treasure at that, in OREGON). I suspect he is the real Zodiac, but you would think I would draw attention to the threads I am posting by those who can help if I am cracking the halloween codes and the paradice slaves keys.
He would have been the exact age of the first victim, as his confession suggests and contrary to the opinion that sabotaged this case, The age description was WRONG and the letters prove that, so, in reality, this guy is healthy and still probably killing and not even worried because they think he is dead. My poi has some creds, I don't. He is not a named suspect, but in reality, he should have been one of the names they came across if the did their homework back in the day and looked through area yearbooks.
I can also overlay the staveless runes of my POI's Full name and it matches, even highth and pitch, the stick signature left behind by the Zodiac. I am still uncovering things. Even the AMADOR VALLEY HIGHSCHOOL DONS SCHOOL EMBLEM can overlay the zodiac stick figure and show the symetry he used.
The letter he sent using the SLA as a suggestion was the MAIN KEY to solving what I have so far, not to mention I had a name to work with and cryptosolvers to enterpret my findings(something cops did not even have in the day).
I only hope some detective out there looks over my 6 or seven threads on this and want to explore farther with me. I would love to hear from a retired cop or something that has some suggestions on how to get him in the eye of the law system. I have a strong feeling he has a killing grounds in central oregon and he could be tied to many disappearances in the Washington,Oregon,Idaho areas. ALot of women have gone missing within a 150 mile area of here since the beggining of this year. I suspect that this one girl about 20 ir so that was staying with him a few months back may be a victim, as she just up and disappered one day and he only said that she was gone. She supposedly went up to the oregon area with him, where they were pulled over together. He said the road to his HOLE he dug that is supposedly 16 feet deep was closed. From his gossip, he dug it back in the day looking for the golden horse.
Only thing is, I fear retaliation from his family and the locals , etc, for my story and what I have on this guy if at all in anyway, any of my things can be shot down. Doubt and skepticism ruled this case for over 40 years and the case is closed, so I really dont want to be liable if I do not have the proper means to expoit the full name as I found in the Halloween card and the excorcist letter, not to mention the anagram. I hope someone reads all of my posts (the top six,seven,maybe eight threads on the zodiac in this forum. Thanks Steely Dan for looking at this one. Please look at the other posts and let me know if you have any ideas. I wish I could form a team. I am creating S.C.A.L.P (Search,Capture And Lock in Prison) at facebook, since I found 'scalp' in the paradise key(the zodiac sign forged in letters).
I wish there were more detectives here on the WebSleuths forum, I sort of like this place.
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07-17-2012, 08:05 PM #29
Wow! I have been reading all of your posts. I was a crypto in the Navy, but what you are doing is amazing! Looking forward to what you have to say next.Bless the beasts and the children
For in this world they have no voice,
They have no choice.
I’ve gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, keep me here.
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