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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothOperator View Post
    Above in red by me! ..my God this monster did this same thing to his eex girlfriends dog.. what he's done to precious Carnel!!
    Jaimee I pray you get help to rise above and beyond what you've been involved in. Your son is gone but you may live to have more children someday. Please please please don't allow yourself to fall into this kind of lifestyle again. Get enrolled in school and set your sights on something higher. Have a vision of a normal family absent of abuse. You are better than this!


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    I believe it was just learned on NG last night that Carnel was outside alone! in a yard with a POOL! The 'mom' didn't say or act like that wasn't "allowed" so I'm gonna assume it was? NG may have made a comment like "there's a POOL"? but never asked that important Q..She did, however, make a disgusted looking face as if she also assumed? it was..That alone shows what kind of 'protection' this poor child did NOT have by the 'adults' around him!

    The great-aunt reported she took JC in as a "foster child" when she was 8 yrs old..She admits in an interview she only saw this child a "few xs" even tho she lives right next door to JC..That reeks of some type of 'estrangement' between these 2 does it not to you?

    That 'grandmother' said this POS "killed & burned" her granddaughter's dog..It seems they did nothing about it but we don't know that for sure..IF they had he would've been charged with a CRIME (cruelty to animals) & I didn't see that any place..I don't know what the punishment is for that but with his lengthy history it's possible he was on 'probation' at that time=jail time? None of this helps that poor innocent child now & I seriously doubt his 'mom' (had she known about it) would even care!

    I will NEVER get any of this..No matter how many xs it happens, which lately is far too often
    RIP TERRI (tfrohning)


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    Quote Originally Posted by doubt View Post
    ya know...i get the frustration with this mom. really, i do.

    but imo, it's disturbing to see so many pile on with the accusations regarding ''stupid'' women, ''reckless'' women, the terrible mothers who don't protect their children etc.....without seeing anyone, once, get to the heart of the matter, here.

    the heart of the matter in what i agree seems to be an epidemic of children dying at the hands of the SO of their mothers is this: what kind of a society have we become when so many of our young women lack the slightest bit of self-worth? where and why and how did so many daughters grow up to believe that they were a failure without a man, and that any man would do? why? why?

    while this is not the case all the time, i believe this mother loved her child and had she understood what sort of devil she was sleeping with, she never would have done so. i heard that her brother introduced the two of them. likely, she trusted him even more because of this. when she claimed "he said he loved me,'' personally, my heart broke more for this young woman. because the truth is, i would bet all of you that she absolutely believed it. yes, it clouded her judgment. yes, it cost her her beautiful son.

    i don't think any criminal charge is warranted, nor do i think it would help. she has lost her child. now, what i want to know is....who is going to teach this young woman that real love doesn't leave bruises on child or mother, real love doesn't invoke fear, and that she deserves better than a monster who merely poses as a man from time to time.

    i wonder what her relationship with her father was like.

    poor carnell. his eyes are haunting. my heart breaks.

    This is an absolutely wonderful post.. and I truly understand what you are saying and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for reminding a lot of folks about this, including my own self.

    I do have something to add. What you say and what you remind of us is absolutely true.. and it is the reason why we all need to have compassion and empathy with this young woman for her heartbreak and the bad choices she has made, which in all honesty.. I had made as well in my past.

    However,

    Empathy and compassion for her.. does not give her a free pass for her actions. She did not just see this child bruised slightly and couldn't pinpoint exactly how it happened and know for sure it was her boyfriend. She SEEN it.. she WITNESSED it. Not once.. not twice.. but several times.

    I can completely understand how you rationalize things to yourself and how you can be taken in by the monster who promises you it will never happen again because he loves you and is trying to straighten up his life. I DO get it.. he**.. I have lived it also and made the same choices she has. The issue here is not that we cannot understand her choices and feel her pain with her.. but rather that she DID put this child in danger and continued to do so and as such, she should be charged. She did wrong and she knows she did wrong. She needs to learn that those type of choices end NOW. She needs (within herself as well) .. to pay for the horrible decisions she made so that she will never ever make them again.

    IMO,,, THAT is how people learn..by understanding and being shown, that in life .. good people can sometimes do very bad things. Showing our young people, our own children, showing society.. that there are consequences to every action, does not have to be done with anger and blame.. but should be done with compassion and sorrow.. for their own good and the good of others. Its called tuff love and it WORKS.

    IMO. She should be charged with SOMETHING at least. Do I think she should be tossed into prison for years? NO. Do I think she should be charged with something that holds her accountable for the choices she made at the expense of her beautiful son, so that she can hopefully learn to be strong and and break this damn cycle of abuse? YES. A resounding heartfelt, compassionate, caring and loving .. YES.

    Pat (who but for the grace of god.. could have lost her own child at the hands of someone she"loved")


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    I'd like to bring up the fact that she herself may have been being abused by this man. There are many forms of abuse and just because she wasn't covered in bruises doesn't mean she's not hurting too. I've heard mention of a domestic violence shelter but if you look at his behavior how do you think he would have reacted if she broke up with him?

    I'm not excusing her or justifying, I'm just saying there could be far more than we'll ever know because we weren't there.
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    An article about how/why AB could face the death penalty.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012062...sey=nav%7Chead

    I hope I'm doing this right... sorry if how I'm posting is wrong. Still a bit new.
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    Horrific!

    Bennett was charged in federal court Friday after the boy's mother told FBI agents that Bennett assaulted the boy three times in the weeks before he was reported missing, according to an FBI affidavit unsealed Friday. Bennett is jailed pending a detention hearing next week.

    The affidavit did not say whether Carnel's mother, Jaimee Chamberlain, reported the alleged abuse to authorities. According to the affidavit, Chamberlain came home from work in late May or early June and Bennett, who lived with her, asked her to sit down. He asked her to tell him that she loved him, the affidavit said.

    Chamberlain then entered a bedroom and saw her son on a bed with a bruised and swollen face and a cut on the inside of his lip, documents state. A few days later, the mother observed a 6- to 8-inch bruise along the boy's ribcage.

    Bennett told Chamberlain he had backhanded Carnel, but the boy told his mother that Bennett had punched him, the affidavit said. It took place in the family's home on the Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe reservation.

    A few days after that, another assault took place, the affidavit said, and this time, Chamberlain witnessed it. She told authorities Bennett picked Carnel up by his neck, dropped him and then dragged him by his right foot to his bedroom, which bruised his buttocks, according to the affidavit.
    http://www.freep.com/article/2012063...t-Pleasant-boy
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    As u can see from my 'thanks' I'm very torn about JC..I do feel strongly tho that she's guilty (without a doubt) of "child neglect"..The reasons for it can be explained (but still makes me SICK!) and none of it does or ever will excuse her role in her son's abuse & ultimate death..I hope this makes sense to some others.
    RIP TERRI (tfrohning)


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    Quote Originally Posted by pianokiller View Post
    An article about how/why AB could face the death penalty.

    http://www.freep.com/article/2012062...sey=nav%7Chead

    I hope I'm doing this right... sorry if how I'm posting is wrong. Still a bit new.
    You did it right & welcome to WS

    One indication that prosecutors may seek the death penalty: the lawyer assigned to the case is Anthony Chambers, a prominent local defense attorney who has handled more than handful of federal death penalty cases in the last 20 years.

    Chambers, who was assigned to the case today, declined comment. He said he has to review the evidence and meet with the client.


    ubm

    Is this POS getting the BEST atty possible for FREE? It looks that way & that's just WRONG! I don't care what 'rights' a perp has it just IS!

    eta..From same link: there's a pix (that can be enlarged) of JC at the vigil..She looks really young here..Just an observation, nothing more!
    RIP TERRI (tfrohning)


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    I have trouble differentiating between a mother or father committing abuse against their child - any form of abuse - and that mother or father watching another person commit abuse against their child.

    I don't see the difference when the parent chooses to take no action and allow it to happen again and again, to the point the child is hospitalized or is deceased. They could stop it the first time, couldn't they? That would be a choice as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfieTX View Post
    Makes me sick. What a damned bully (and sociopath...). Picking on dogs and an innocent young child. WHY???

    I'm wondering if Carnel's mom wasn't in mortal fear of this monster--I think that can happen to women who are abused mentally or physically. She might have desperately wanted to do something to save her and her child, but fear of AB had her frozen? I don't know...seeing her little boy all beaten up by this guy, it seems like her instinct to protect him would have kicked in and she would have taken him and run !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbo View Post
    Makes me sick. What a damned bully (and sociopath...). Picking on dogs and an innocent young child. WHY???
    sbm

    Cos he's just what you said he is! My sincere hope is every BULLY in prison gives him a taste of his own medicine..Over&Over&Over! For the rest of his miserable life!
    RIP TERRI (tfrohning)


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    Quote Originally Posted by amysmom View Post
    You did it right & welcome to WS

    One indication that prosecutors may seek the death penalty: the lawyer assigned to the case is Anthony Chambers, a prominent local defense attorney who has handled more than handful of federal death penalty cases in the last 20 years.

    Chambers, who was assigned to the case today, declined comment. He said he has to review the evidence and meet with the client.


    ubm

    Is this POS getting the BEST atty possible for FREE? It looks that way & that's just WRONG! I don't care what 'rights' a perp has it just IS!

    eta..From same link: there's a pix (that can be enlarged) of JC at the vigil..She looks really young here..Just an observation, nothing more!
    Sorry if this has already been discussed, but didn't this happen on tribal land? If so, isn't it outside federal jurisdiction--doesn't the tribe handle the trial? (my question really has nothing to do with your post, but since it has to do with a trial, I quoted you, amysmom! )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Then she should not go on NG tomorrow. NG is relentless. If JC is distraught before appearing on NG, I'm afraid of what NG might do to her.

    They are better to let only a family spokesperson speak, such as how Shelia Bradley-Smith has spoken on NG on behalf of Diamond and Tionda, missing since 2001.


    What happened to the FB page Kevin set up for Carnel? It is different than the hope one just linked.
    Hi Cubby, Southside Cubs fan here. Just wanted you to know I often think of Diamond and Tionda and send a prayer up to Heaven in their name. This case is breaking my heart today as theirs did so many years ago.


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    I assume the family who lost their dog to AB was terrified he would come back and do the same to them.

    I assume JC was afraid, until now, to speak out about his abuse. According to the relationship she had with the great aunt who raised her, maybe she didn't know how much was too much...

    I assume AB had a horrible childhood and never attached emotionally to anyone on a healthy level.

    The cycle never ends.

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