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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    For goodness sakes if people are that paranoid then they're not going to help others very often, if ever.

    One could write or type a note with the tip and mail it with no return address to the TPD. The tip would at least get in the hands of someone in LE where they could evaluate the info. When there's a will there's a way.

    However, if someone is looking for a reason not to provide a tip, then they'll find one. Facebook is not going to be the tool that gives them warm fuzzies when Facebook is KNOWN for their privacy violations and is getting a lot of flack right now, in fact, for releasing yet another feature users don't want, didn't ask for, and violates privacy.
    It is not a popular view, but many of us think there is more at play here than simply a missing girl. Potential witnesses or tipsters may actually be fearful of their lives or the safety of their own families.

    But if that is just looking for excuses, well then, okay.

    Personally I would not risk the safety of my own child to inform LE about potential info if I thought that some very bad people might retaliate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Okay then View Post
    ITA... However, LE or the Media ??? released private info on the tipsters IIRC via the doc. dump, intimidating imo and not proactive in generating leads. jmo imo and moo

    IMO The media requested the reports with witnesses names included as they always do any any high profile case. The media can choose whether or not to redact the witness' names.
    I am certain LE did what they had to do by law. They have been following the law by the letter.

    IMO We don't see any names in the doc dump that were from any anonymous tip line. We see names of those who came into LE's line of vision by proximity or for some other reason or another.
    One of the reports was generated from a caller who claimed a name that was false, claimed an address that was false, and made a claim against SC that was false.

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    Investigative Case Management for
    Missing Children Homicides

    This report discusses the findings of a three year research project that examined the
    investigations of murders of more than 600 abducted children. The research was conducted by
    criminal justice professionals with extensive murder investigation and research backgrounds.
    The report is written for the homicide detective who is confronted with an unsolved case and for
    the uniformed patrol officer who responds to the initial call of a missing or abducted child

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digi...01253NCJRS.pdf

    I hope you will find the time to read this...
    Destiny Renee Brewer-November 2,1999-June 28, 2010. Destiny -I love and miss you, tiny dancer!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIje...feature=fvwrel


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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I would think that the people willing to give their names wouldnt care if anyone knew they were interviewed by LE.

    But if they had called the tip line and didnt want to divulge their name they wouldnt have to. That is how all tip lines work that I have seen.

    It is up to the caller.

    IMO
    Unless they are illegal-and have more to lose by talking to police...
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    It also bothers me with such a large reward that noone has stepped up to collect it. Times are tough, and that is a lot of money...Someone-somewhere has to know what happened to Isabel...
    Destiny Renee Brewer-November 2,1999-June 28, 2010. Destiny -I love and miss you, tiny dancer!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJMAJORGIRL24 View Post
    Smooth Operator-

    You might be right for all I know-but on the "off" chance that they would-wouldn't it be worth the risk if it brought Isabel home?
    Certainly it would IMO.. and as I said in other cases I,too was frustrated that the family/friend fb pages strictly prohibited such.. but for whatever reasons it is the way many of the missing person fb pages are run.. little isa's page is not unusual as far as this issue goes.. most are run this way and they are zero family involvement in the disappearance..so while I certainly agree that I, too have been frustrated by this route taken by other missing family fb pages, my point is that Isabel's page being run this same exact way is not indicative of anything.. it appears as tho for many to be sop..
    The quickest way to become a fool is to argue with one..


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    Quote Originally Posted by CJMAJORGIRL24 View Post
    It also bothers me with such a large reward that noone has stepped up to collect it. Times are tough, and that is a lot of money...Someone-somewhere has to know what happened to Isabel...
    Holly Bobo's case has a record setting reward of several hundred thousand dollars.. yet no one has yet stepped forward with info of her abduction over a year ago April 13, 2011
    The quickest way to become a fool is to argue with one..


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    Quote Originally Posted by CJMAJORGIRL24 View Post
    Investigative Case Management for
    Missing Children Homicides

    This report discusses the findings of a three year research project that examined the
    investigations of murders of more than 600 abducted children. The research was conducted by
    criminal justice professionals with extensive murder investigation and research backgrounds.
    The report is written for the homicide detective who is confronted with an unsolved case and for
    the uniformed patrol officer who responds to the initial call of a missing or abducted child

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digi...01253NCJRS.pdf

    I hope you will find the time to read this...
    That is an great article. Thanks for sharing that link. The first thing that I noticed was this:

    The word "abduction" means different things to different people.
    1) The victim was kidnapped.
    2) The victim was detained and his/her freedom of movement was restricted.
    3) A victim of domestic violence was reported by the family (or someone else) as a missing child.
    4) The police were initially of the opinion that the victim was taken or held against her will, whether or not that turned out to be the case in the end.


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    Here is another interesting fact from the article that CJMAJORGIRL24 posted:

    It was discovered that in 40 percent of the cases there were "unknowing" witnesses.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digi...01253NCJRS.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Here is another interesting fact from the article that CJMAJORGIRL24 posted:

    It was discovered that in 40 percent of the cases there were "unknowing" witnesses.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digi...01253NCJRS.pdf
    Yes, that report linked is from 1997- 15 years old..,,I did find a newer 2007 report was written

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?id=240688


    Here's the abstract for the more recent report.

    The additional 175 solved cases added to the original dataset (N = 800) are reflective and supportive of the original report with several significant and definite differences between the first study and this one. With more killers identified, it is found that the relationships between them and their victims change from strangers to an almost equal likelihood of being friends/acquaintances. Another significant change is the increase of the use of pornography by killers as a trigger. Given the overwhelming sexual motivation of killers in these cases, this should not be surprising. Victims continue to be females and slightly over 11 years of age, leading “normal” lives, typical low-risk victims. The killers remain around 27 years of age and are predominantly unmarried. Half of them are unemployed, and those who are employed work in unskilled or semi-skilled jobs. More than half of the cases are initially reported to a law enforcement agency as a “missing child.” Fast action by law enforcement is an absolute since the vast majority of abducted children who are murdered are dead within 3 hours of the abduction. Importantly, even though child abductions are rare, parents must eliminate, or minimize, the opportunity for their children to become victims. Child abduction murders are very difficult to solve.
    http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc...de_missing.pdf


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    Quote Originally Posted by eileenhawkeye View Post
    I'm pretty sure that's not true. Technology is definitely advanced enough today for LE to find out where someone is posting from. Maybe the LE in your son's college town were not that interested in putting in the resources/money to find the perps? But it's possible for LE to track down anyone who posts online. Also, what tip could someone have where LE cannot know their identity but would solve the case? Is the kidnapper going to post where Isabel is on FB?
    In actual fact, it is not possible for LE to track every online poster, if the poster has the minimal to moderate computer skills needed to post by bouncing the post through several different international servers. If done properly, which includes time delays built into the original packet, it's impossible for LE to trace.

    The reason such services exist is a noble one: it gives dissidents living under repressive regimes a way to send and receive information with the outside world. To serve that goal, the anonymizer services accept that a certain amount of bad use will also occur.

    If you want to learn more, google on "Tor anonymizer" and "Jondo anonymizer". The more people using either service, the more secure they are. They aren't difficult to figure out and there are websites with FAQs that practically take you by the hand to walk you through the installation process and how to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Here is another interesting fact from the article that CJMAJORGIRL24 posted:

    It was discovered that in 40 percent of the cases there were "unknowing" witnesses.
    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digi...01253NCJRS.pdf
    That doesn't surprise me at all.

    Humans see so much that we have to filter out the input in order to be functional. If we didn't, then things like driving a car would be infinitely more dangerous than it already is.

    This is why I get so frustrated when people say "but X couldn't have happened because there were no witnesses!" All too often, X can happen right in front of potential witnesses but none of those people remember what it was they saw. It had no significance to them at the time, so their internal filters excluded it so the potential witness could concentrate on what was important to them at the time.

    It cuts the other way as well. Mistaken eyewitness identification has been a significant factor in over 75% of the exonerated prisoners helped by the Innocence Project.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FrayedKnot View Post
    It is not a popular view, but many of us think there is more at play here than simply a missing girl. Potential witnesses or tipsters may actually be fearful of their lives or the safety of their own families.

    But if that is just looking for excuses, well then, okay.

    Personally I would not risk the safety of my own child to inform LE about potential info if I thought that some very bad people might retaliate.
    And this is why I was personally very relieved that the information I provided was NOT in the doc dump. I submitted lots of names/dates and other specific info that could have fairly readily been extrapolated from the "anonymous" tip system if one were of the mind to do so. No, I NEVER used my name/address/phone number... :-)


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    Isabel Celis still missing 2 months later
    Jun 27th, 2012

    http://lasvegasworldnews.com/isabel-...ths-later/776/

    (note that the article is filed under 'cold cases')


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof View Post
    Yes, that report linked is from 1997- 15 years old..,,I did find a newer 2007 report was written

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio...aspx?id=240688


    Here's the abstract for the more recent report.



    http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/doc...de_missing.pdf
    Thank you. That is very informative.

    I have always felt child abduction cases done by strangers are the hardest cases to solve. When there is no linkage between the victim and the perpretrator it is almost impossible to solve the case unless the perp makes a mistake and leaves evidence of himself behind. But even then he/she has to be in some type of criminal data bank to be indentified.

    IMO
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