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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    These are not all the same case--they just all have CR-201100587 as part of the case number. The full case numbers are, e.g.:

    S-1100-CR-201100587 (Pinal County Superior Court)
    J-1401-CR-201100587 (Yuma Justice Court)
    M-0844-CR-201100587 (Lake Havasu Municipal Court)
    J-0801-CR-201100587 (Kingman Justice Court)
    etc.
    etc.

    They are unrelated cases.
    But wouldn't it be odd that they all share the same charges?

    I dunno. Just asking.
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    SC is still Isabel's father. RC is uncomfortable in front of the cameras, is SC too? It is still bothering me that LE says they have encouraged them to go to the media yet neither of them do. Nobody in the family, no friends, asking for help. Unless LE changed their minds and told them not to talk to the media, I can't understand why they aren't.
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    Maybe they don't ask for help because they don't really need help and/or don't want help. Is it possible this isn't even a crime (if one or both parents know where she is and are certain she's fine)? WE assume she is missing. Maybe she's not missing at all. Missing implies no one knows where she is. If one parent knows, then she's not "missing." If she was taken with the permission of a parent and she is safe, then it's not even a crime, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Maybe they don't ask for help because they don't really need help and/or don't want help. Is it possible this isn't even a crime (if one or both parents know where she is and are certain she's fine)? WE assume she is missing. Maybe she's not missing at all. Missing implies no one knows where she is. If one parent knows, then she's not "missing."
    I can't decide if I think only SC knows or they both know..
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    When I think about how Sergio sounded on the 911 call, I have to believe he knew what was happening. He did not sound like a frantic, surprised father who just found out his baby girl was missing.

    I think he was pressured into moving her secretly somewhere as insurance for something or as a way to protect her? I am not sure how thew puzzle goes together, but I believe that JM and his antics in Douglas are somehow part of the puzzle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    Maybe they don't ask for help because they don't really need help and/or don't want help. Is it possible this isn't even a crime (if one or both parents know where she is and are certain she's fine)? WE assume she is missing. Maybe she's not missing at all. Missing implies no one knows where she is. If one parent knows, then she's not "missing." If she was taken with the permission of a parent and she is safe, then it's not even a crime, right?
    Madeleine74, If one or both parents do know where Isabel is, I guess it's a crime to solicit funds to aid in "the search " for her ? JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    When I think about how Sergio sounded on the 911 call, I have to believe he knew what was happening. He did not sound like a frantic, surprised father who just found out his baby girl was missing.

    I think he was pressured into moving her secretly somewhere as insurance for something or as a way to protect her? I am not sure how thew puzzle goes together, but I believe that JM and his antics in Douglas are somehow part of the puzzle.
    I agree, it was as if he was calling because he knew he had to. Then he tells RC "maybe she left"..RC sounded genuine to me, he did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    Madeleine74, If one or both parents do know where Isabel is, I guess it's a crime to solicit funds to aid in "the search " for her ? JMO
    I'll rephrase. If Isa was taken by someone with the permission of at least one parent, then it wasn't a kidnapping. The crime I refer to is the crime of "kidnapping."

    If the Celis family is fraudulently soliciting funds that's a different matter. Yes, that would be a crime too, but obviously less serious than someone being charged with kidnapping a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    Madeleine74, If one or both parents do know where Isabel is, I guess it's a crime to solicit funds to aid in "the search " for her ? JMO
    Let alone the $1 million plus LE expense racked up to date trying to find Isabel. Dad *did* call 911 about an "abduction"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pieper4 View Post
    Let alone the $1 million plus LE expense racked up to date trying to find Isabel. Dad *did* call 911 about an "abduction"...
    Yep, those were his exact words..this case has gone too quiet.
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    Thank you for posting the video of RC... http://www.kpho.com/story/19018668/v...command-center I thought it was interesting how the cameraman focused a closeup of her earrings in the one ear. I don't suppose those are all real diamonds, are they? It's at around 5:11 on the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winterrose View Post
    Thank you for posting the video of RC... http://www.kpho.com/story/19018668/v...command-center I thought it was interesting how the cameraman focused a closeup of her earrings in the one ear. I don't suppose those are all real diamonds, are they? It's at around 5:11 on the video.
    Thank you for this link. I still check in often, just not everyday anymore. What struck me about that video was when RC said after being questioned by the reporter about how often or when she would speak to the media concerning Isa was "the least I can do the better" I guess at least she is being honest. It was in reference to HER feeling uncomfortable in front of the camera. So she is only going to be praying - as she feels that is the only thing that is really going to bring her back.

    I dunno, it doesn't make me feel as though I should really be all that concerned about their predicament. JMO

    I do hope you come home Isa!!

    MOO though - this is a cold case and pretty soon this will be moved to missing but not forgotten section and we will never know what happened. Such a sad case.
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    I dunno, it doesn't make me feel as though I should really be all that concerned about their predicament.
    bingo!

    They're not really worried, they're not looking. It might not even be a kidnapping afterall. Parents whose kids are away at summer camp show more concern and worry.

    This occurred to me: the children and families being gunned down in other parts of the world (Sudan, etc) have fewer people worried about their fate and fewer prayers and even less resources sent to them than one (possibly not even missing) U.S. child and her family. It's a sobering thought.

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    "The least I do the better"?? For who? Not for Isabel!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pieper4 View Post
    But wouldn't it be odd that they all share the same charges?

    I dunno. Just asking.

    As AZ Lawyer so nicely pointed out, one must know the entire case number to get to a specific case.

    I will add that if there are related cases, the docket references that there are related cases. An example of this can be found on the dockets for the animals at large for SC.

    Case numbers are longer and unique, not only 9 digits in AZ. The 9 digits only provide the year, and type of case, so it would reflect the similar type of cases (but not related cases) in AZ.

    Here is one of JM's charges (for a full discussion of JM's charges, one can review the first five threads on this case).


    J-0202-CR-201100587

    The J is for Justice court
    (cases in AZ might start with S for Superior or M for Municipal, and JM has two others that are Municipal --traffic)

    The 0202 (is for JM's particular case)

    The CR stands for criminal
    (this case was a traffic case that shot up into the CR realm when there was a marijuana possession added; although, that part of the case was later completely dismissed by the court)

    The 201100587 is a filing number for the type of case...
    2011 (is the year) and 00587 stands for the type of charge (marijuana possession)

    To test this out, search CR 201200587
    or CR 201000587 or any other year...all same types of charges/cases, but different years...

    HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by txanmom View Post
    Thank you for this link. I still check in often, just not everyday anymore. What struck me about that video was when RC said after being questioned by the reporter about how often or when she would speak to the media concerning Isa was "the least I can do the better" I guess at least she is being honest. It was in reference to HER feeling uncomfortable in front of the camera. So she is only going to be praying - as she feels that is the only thing that is really going to bring her back.

    I dunno, it doesn't make me feel as though I should really be all that concerned about their predicament. JMO

    I do hope you come home Isa!!

    MOO though - this is a cold case and pretty soon this will be moved to missing but not forgotten section and we will never know what happened. Such a sad case.
    RBBM, txanmom. When I heard this statement in context, it made me understand that she really is not good at communicating publicly and that's why it is so difficult for her and she avoids it. I actually thought it even underscored her point as being truthful.
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    Where's Sergio?

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    It is interesting to note that there have been NO warnings issued by Tuscon LE...no "be on the lookout", no information requested from the public in regards to strange vehicles, or strange faces. Often they will request someone or other get in touch if they suspect that person to be a witness, but there has been ZERO appeals for information, or warnings about a child abductor.

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    If RC really cared, she'd just speak from the heart. Situations like this demand that you rise above your fears and ACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Know? View Post
    Where's Sergio?
    good question. and we're coming up on 90 days.

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing...162437166.html

    "Celis did not mention her husband, Sergio, who agreed to a request by authorities to keep away from the couple's other children.

    No explanation for that request has ever been made, and Sergio Celis is neither a person of interest, nor a suspect in his daughter's disappearance."

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    just fyi, i've been 'thanking' certain posts and it doesn't show up. all you have to do is click 'thanks', right?

    grrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireSteel View Post
    It is interesting to note that there have been NO warnings issued by Tuscon LE...no "be on the lookout", no information requested from the public in regards to strange vehicles, or strange faces. Often they will request someone or other get in touch if they suspect that person to be a witness, but there has been ZERO appeals for information, or warnings about a child abductor.

    LE has asked citizens to be on the lookout
    LE has asked for information from the public in regards to strange vehicles and strangers
    LE has asked all of Tucson to get in touch with any information

    It simply is false that there have been zero appeals for information.

    As of May 14th, 1600 neighbors had been questioned at home!
    [B]Chief Villaseñor: "Don't read too much into this" - KGUN9.com
    www.kgun9.com/news/local/151452075.html
    "More than 1600 surveys have been canvassed in the neighborhood. On Friday, Tucson Police told the media ..."

    Here is the NINE PAGE questionairre
    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crim...9bb2963f4.html

    In addition to the massive neighborhood questioning and appeals for information, every LE presser called for information.

    On May 21th TPD created a shorter flyer for anyone visiting or having business in the general area.

    "In a continuing effort to utilize all investigative methods of acquiring information regarding the investigation of missing
    6-year old, Isabel Celis, personnel from the Tucson Police Department will be distributing a new flyer"
    [snipped for space]
    " encouraging
    citizens to review it fully and answer any of the questions that they may be able to answer as soon as possible."

    Roberto A. Villaseñor
    Chief of Police


    "1. Did you observe anything that struck you as unusual or out of the ordinary at anytime prior to the incident or since
    the incident?
    2. Were there any delivery people or solicitors in your area two weeks prior to this incident or since the incident?
    3. Has there been any construction in your area prior to or since the incident?
    4. Were there any yard sales, parties or other large gatherings prior to the incident?
    5. Did you notice any unusual vehicles or vehicles that you did not recognize in your area prior to the incident?
    6. Do you have surveillance cameras in use at your home?
    7. Do you know if any of your neighbors have surveillance cameras in use?"


    http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/files/polic...elis_flyer.pdf

    LE has gone great lengths to ask for the public's help in this case.
    LE is still working on this.
    Cases like this are not easily solved.
    I personally am not in the habit of using the lack of evidence as evidence. I am confident LE is not in that habit either.

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    the next event, paper our streets, has been moved to august 3rd.

    august? IMO it's creepy how far out the calendar goes. JMO.

    http://www.facebook.com/FindIsabelCelis

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    Quote Originally Posted by white rabbit View Post
    good question. and we're coming up on 90 days.

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing...162437166.html

    "Celis did not mention her husband, Sergio, who agreed to a request by authorities to keep away from the couple's other children.

    No explanation for that request has ever been made, and Sergio Celis is neither a person of interest, nor a suspect in his daughter's disappearance."
    Hmmm ... is this new? Cause I thought both the parents would be considered persons of interest in this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by white rabbit View Post
    just fyi, i've been 'thanking' certain posts and it doesn't show up. all you have to do is click 'thanks', right?

    grrr.
    Try refreshing the page after you click the Thanks button. Works for me

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