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    At 2:58 into the 48hours program, it was said about when SG was seen for the last time:

    "...and is not seen again by anyone who is credible"

    Does that mean that LE or somone else have information that somone NOT credible, have claimed they saw SG at a later time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    At 2:58 into the 48hours program, it was said about when SG was seen for the last time:

    "...and is not seen again by anyone who is credible"

    Does that mean that LE or somone else have information that somone NOT credible, have claimed they saw SG at a later time?
    I took it as a hint to CPH. LE would have to given Mr. Ray that info, and for sure he would have stated that that came from LE. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaslug44 View Post
    Thank you!

    I love that a fresh set of eyes can see the obvious so clearly.

    Common sense right?
    I was not swayed by the eerie music.
    That something more sinister may be at hand.

    But looking at the video, I would say your looking at 2 independent killers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    At 2:58 into the 48hours program, it was said about when SG was seen for the last time:

    "...and is not seen again by anyone who is credible"

    Does that mean that LE or somone else have information that somone NOT credible, have claimed they saw SG at a later time?
    Yes Theforeigner I heard that too and thought the same thing. In fact my mind did go the Dr since he had told Mari he had seen her and taken her to his house for rehab! Even tho he is a physician I don't think he is very credible and is in fact an out and out liar IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    I was not swayed by the eerie music.
    That something more sinister may be at hand.

    But looking at the video, I would say your looking at 2 independent killers here.
    It is good to see you here MrTT

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    I watched the 48 Hrs again and took notes this time. One thing I have not heard was:
    The SK asked ALC to meet him at the Holliday Inn Express where he had met with MW just 3 months before. But ALC refused.
    I find this interesting. What was it about this Hotel? Was the MW murder so "clean" that he knew he could easily do it again? Heck, 1000 questions.
    *** As a side note*** I counted in my notes the amount of times the word Hotel appeared. MBB, MW, and AC (asked to go to a hotel). Is there a hotel connection? Or just that the girls were from out of town.
    I have a feeling the SK lives not too far from the Holiday Inn Express. This could explain why he requested ALC to meet him there, so he wouldn't have to drive too far?

    Next big thing in my notes: MB calls
    Moriarti said " The Police learned a lot about him (SK) based on his voice"
    LE began tracing the calls AFTER call# 3. There were 8 total calls. That Leaves 5 traced and I hope recorded calls. Lets speculate and say each call was only 1 min. Thatís 5 mins. of good hard material to work with. Even if the voice is altered or loud back ground noise, thatís a treasure trove. So if thatís the case, when the Lawyer said, "based on the information from the sister and the data I have, the killer is a white male in his 20's- 30's. Thatís HARD stuff. (If the CPH info was this good, I'd be on the CPH band wagon, but it is not)
    These calls "should" be what gets this killer caught. I bet LE will someday release the calls when they are out of all other options. MOO
    Since they are not 911 calls, would they fall under this strange NY 911 call law?

    Next- DS, ALC's (Roommate)
    He claims the killer called 3-4 times "very persistent" and that the calls were lengthy. He offered $1500. 6x the going rate.

    Thatís all, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    I watched the 48 Hrs again and took notes this time. One thing I have not heard was:
    The SK asked ALC to meet him at the Holliday Inn Express where he had met with MW just 3 months before. But ALC refused.
    I find this interesting. What was it about this Hotel? Was the MW murder so "clean" that he knew he could easily do it again? Heck, 1000 questions.
    *** As a side note*** I counted in my notes the amount of times the word Hotel appeared. MBB, MW, and AC (asked to go to a hotel). Is there a hotel connection? Or just that the girls were from out of town.
    I have a feeling the SK lives not too far from the Holiday Inn Express. This could explain why he requested ALC to meet him there, so he wouldn't have to drive too far?

    Next big thing in my notes: MB calls
    Moriarti said " The Police learned a lot about him (SK) based on his voice"
    LE began tracing the calls AFTER call# 3. There were 8 total calls. That Leaves 5 traced and I hope recorded calls. Lets speculate and say each call was only 1 min. Thatís 5 mins. of good hard material to work with. Even if the voice is altered or loud back ground noise, thatís a treasure trove. So if thatís the case, when the Lawyer said, "based on the information from the sister and the data I have, the killer is a white male in his 20's- 30's. Thatís HARD stuff. (If the CPH info was this good, I'd be on the CPH band wagon, but it is not)
    These calls "should" be what gets this killer caught. I bet LE will someday release the calls when they are out of all other options. MOO
    Since they are not 911 calls, would they fall under this strange NY 911 call law?

    Next- DS, ALC's (Roommate)
    He claims the killer called 3-4 times "very persistent" and that the calls were lengthy. He offered $1500. 6x the going rate.

    Thatís all, I guess.
    Well regarding hotels- just a reminder that Akeem Cruz's co-defendent/neighbor Robert Blake was arrested at the same Massapequa motel 4 months before MB went there the nite she disappeared.

    And Cruz (Vybe), Robert Blake, Khalil (Remi), Tanya Rush (and Dave Schaler nowadays) all lived in Brooklyn. Do we know if Terry lived there as well to complete the circle of having all the pimps living in Brooklyn at some point? I hear Terry's a bit of a nervous nellie and moves around a lot tho.

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    It's been discussed before that this hotel is known for being a place to take prostitutes and protects both the prostitutes and their pimps and clients. Why rent a room for $60 or so a night when they can rent it 8 or so times a day/night for the same price. It may also protect high profile clients. JMO from rumors on various forums. If anyone has any other info to support this I would love to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    It's been discussed before that this hotel is known for being a place to take prostitutes and protects both the prostitutes and their pimps and clients. Why rent a room for $60 or so a night when they can rent it 8 or so times a day/night for the same price. It may also protect high profile clients. JMO from rumors on various forums. If anyone has any other info to support this I would love to hear it.
    Exactly!!!! So lets assume the SK knows this after meeting MW. He asks ALC to meet him there. She says no. Why did she say no? She must have known it was one of those "spots".
    Now on the other hand, MW and the SK never met INSIDE the HIE. So why would he request ALC meet him there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    I watched the 48 Hrs again and took notes this time. One thing I have not heard was:
    The SK asked ALC to meet him at the Holliday Inn Express where he had met with MW just 3 months before. But ALC refused.
    I find this interesting. What was it about this Hotel? Was the MW murder so "clean" that he knew he could easily do it again? Heck, 1000 questions.
    *** As a side note*** I counted in my notes the amount of times the word Hotel appeared. MBB, MW, and AC (asked to go to a hotel). Is there a hotel connection? Or just that the girls were from out of town.
    I have a feeling the SK lives not too far from the Holiday Inn Express. This could explain why he requested ALC to meet him there, so he wouldn't have to drive too far?

    Next big thing in my notes: MB calls
    Moriarti said " The Police learned a lot about him (SK) based on his voice"
    LE began tracing the calls AFTER call# 3. There were 8 total calls. That Leaves 5 traced and I hope recorded calls. Lets speculate and say each call was only 1 min. Thatís 5 mins. of good hard material to work with. Even if the voice is altered or loud back ground noise, thatís a treasure trove. So if thatís the case, when the Lawyer said, "based on the information from the sister and the data I have, the killer is a white male in his 20's- 30's. Thatís HARD stuff. (If the CPH info was this good, I'd be on the CPH band wagon, but it is not)
    These calls "should" be what gets this killer caught. I bet LE will someday release the calls when they are out of all other options. MOO
    Since they are not 911 calls, would they fall under this strange NY 911 call law?

    Next- DS, ALC's (Roommate)
    He claims the killer called 3-4 times "very persistent" and that the calls were lengthy. He offered $1500. 6x the going rate.

    Thatís all, I guess.
    Well....the show was about what I expected. I was underwhelmed like most of you. Mostly rehashing the original show with perhaps 5 minutes of new footage and interviews. The walk retracing Shannan's path in marsh to where she was found was interesting, however they cut it too much. The link that Adler posted on the Shannan #2 thread (thank you!) has more footage of it:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...d+(CBSNews.com

    (I wish they could've shown the entire walk)

    I, too, was struck by the water level in the puddles around her site. Ray made mention that it was the same time of year and the conditions were close to what she encountered. I agree with Peter, there was enough water there for her to have drowned. I still believe there is a possibility of the paradoxical undressing, along with her highly paranoid/agitated and confused state of mind contributing to her pants being so far away from her body. As to Ray's contention that she couldn't have run through the marsh with bare feet--she thought she was running for her LIFE!! With that kind of adrenaline surging through her system and the fear she was feeling, I doubt she noticed until later on in the marsh. She could've passed out into one of the puddles. I often wonder what position her remains were found in, that'd be very telling. Of course since she'd been out there so long, could've been moved by animals or the incliment weather.

    Or...there is a chance that she was chased to that location. Could someone have attempted to rape her and pulled her pants off? Then she escaped and ran further into the marsh? I agree that it's a shame that so much of the focus was on Shannan and the other women were pushed aside. If she was murdered, I doubt it was by the LISK. It does get some attention on the case again however.

    nutzger-excellent post! Thanks for pointing out the SK wanting to meet ALC at the Holiday Inn Express and she refused, I didn't catch that. Yes, I would think that being so successful with MW would have given him alot of confidence in that location. What I've found strange is they had great footage of her in the hallway IN the hotel, but once she left the building she vanished without a trace. I'm wondering how many cameras they have, were they functioning that night and/or how soon is the footage erased? I would think there would be some traffic cams somewhere along that stretch of road...really a lost opportunity there. I think you're right, the LISK probably lives close to the hotel-somewhere on Manhattan.

    Now to the calls from the LISK to Amanda, MB's sister. A "treasure trove" indeed! I hope that the Suffolk PD has played these tapes for all the victim's families, friends and acquaintances-it's such an important lead! Someone's memory could be jogged with that key clue. I have a feeling that they haven't, can't say I have much confidence in that PD department. I know this question has been brought up before, why don't they release these tapes to the media/AMW?! They aren't like 911 calls and can be released. I would say that the Suffolk PD has reached that point of being out of other options-get them out there! That being said, I hope that it'd be more successful than when they released calls of the Zodiac in California and the BTK. Neither bore any fruit. Dennis Rader even had a public service video on the air about animal control for awhile and that didn't get him caught.


    A sidenote on the Suffolk PD: I had no idea they were still
    searching for a replacement for Dormer over 6 months after he stepped down! If it takes this long to do that, what great strides are they making in the LISK investigation?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLlOX04ojo"]New Suffolk Commissioner Could Be Named Soon - YouTube[/ame]


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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    I watched the 48 Hrs again and took notes this time. One thing I have not heard was:
    The SK asked ALC to meet him at the Holliday Inn Express where he had met with MW just 3 months before. But ALC refused.
    I find this interesting. What was it about this Hotel? Was the MW murder so "clean" that he knew he could easily do it again? Heck, 1000 questions.
    *** As a side note*** I counted in my notes the amount of times the word Hotel appeared. MBB, MW, and AC (asked to go to a hotel). Is there a hotel connection? Or just that the girls were from out of town.
    I have a feeling the SK lives not too far from the Holiday Inn Express. This could explain why he requested ALC to meet him there, so he wouldn't have to drive too far?

    Next big thing in my notes: MB calls
    Moriarti said " The Police learned a lot about him (SK) based on his voice"
    LE began tracing the calls AFTER call# 3. There were 8 total calls. That Leaves 5 traced and I hope recorded calls. Lets speculate and say each call was only 1 min. Thatís 5 mins. of good hard material to work with. Even if the voice is altered or loud back ground noise, thatís a treasure trove. So if thatís the case, when the Lawyer said, "based on the information from the sister and the data I have, the killer is a white male in his 20's- 30's. Thatís HARD stuff. (If the CPH info was this good, I'd be on the CPH band wagon, but it is not)
    These calls "should" be what gets this killer caught. I bet LE will someday release the calls when they are out of all other options. MOO
    Since they are not 911 calls, would they fall under this strange NY 911 call law?

    Next- DS, ALC's (Roommate)
    He claims the killer called 3-4 times "very persistent" and that the calls were lengthy. He offered $1500. 6x the going rate.

    Thatís all, I guess.
    BBM... Just wondering if it is/was true that the drifter's mother lived in Massapequa??

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    A sidenote on the Suffolk PD: I had no idea they were still
    searching for a replacement for Dormer over 6 months after he stepped down! If it takes this long to do that, what great strides are they making in the LISK investigation?


    New Suffolk Commissioner Could Be Named Soon - YouTube

    LOL. Maybe it is because no legitimate person would take the job if he/she is a token commissioner that will take orders from the very 'interesting' Chief of Dept, James Burke.

    LOL . Bellone had picked Burke even before he took office.

    These people are a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    I watched the 48 Hrs again and took notes this time. One thing I have not heard was:
    The SK asked ALC to meet him at the Holliday Inn Express where he had met with MW just 3 months before. But ALC refused.
    I find this interesting. What was it about this Hotel? Was the MW murder so "clean" that he knew he could easily do it again? Heck, 1000 questions.
    *** As a side note*** I counted in my notes the amount of times the word Hotel appeared. MBB, MW, and AC (asked to go to a hotel). Is there a hotel connection? Or just that the girls were from out of town.
    I have a feeling the SK lives not too far from the Holiday Inn Express. This could explain why he requested ALC to meet him there, so he wouldn't have to drive too far?
    MW went twice a moth to LI to meet with clients. ALC was at her home in LI when she received the calls. Nothing with hotel. I think, that is one of those wobbly wordings in that 48 Hours.

    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    Next big thing in my notes: MB calls
    Moriarti said " The Police learned a lot about him (SK) based on his voice"
    LE began tracing the calls AFTER call# 3. There were 8 total calls. That Leaves 5 traced and I hope recorded calls. Lets speculate and say each call was only 1 min. Thatís 5 mins. of good hard material to work with. Even if the voice is altered or loud back ground noise, thatís a treasure trove. So if thatís the case, when the Lawyer said, "based on the information from the sister and the data I have, the killer is a white male in his 20's- 30's. Thatís HARD stuff. (If the CPH info was this good, I'd be on the CPH band wagon, but it is not)
    These calls "should" be what gets this killer caught. I bet LE will someday release the calls when they are out of all other options. MOO
    Since they are not 911 calls, would they fall under this strange NY 911 call law?
    A treasure trove, they will not publish, I think. SCPD keeps everything a secret even if they should know, they're stuck.
    The line of the lawyer (Cohen or so) is basically, what LE said, they would think after those calls. This is in a way consistent with the FBI rubber stamp profile of a white loner 20-50 thing. They were not very good with that over the last decade. LISK is too high organized to be in his early 20s, that moves the bracket to 25-35, rather around 30 when he started. But since the lawyer also stated, those calls were calm and controlled, the possibility of an altered voice or altered speech patterns is more than ever a possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    Next- DS, ALC's (Roommate)
    He claims the killer called 3-4 times "very persistent" and that the calls were lengthy. He offered $1500. 6x the going rate.

    Thatís all, I guess.
    In fact, a john called. Whether he was the killer would depend whether the last john connections of all four GB4 could be traced back to the same john. Since it appears to me as if they found different johns already, we can be pretty sure, ALC's last john wasn't her killer.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    It's been discussed before that this hotel is known for being a place to take prostitutes and protects both the prostitutes and their pimps and clients. Why rent a room for $60 or so a night when they can rent it 8 or so times a day/night for the same price. It may also protect high profile clients. JMO from rumors on various forums. If anyone has any other info to support this I would love to hear it.
    It's quite circumstantial, but the same hotel chain is known for the same thing at least in parts of Europe. Long ago, in Cebit fair times in Hannover, I had to book there (if you book less than 4 months ahead for the fair times, you will get no rooms but in those hotels, Hannover is loaded at that time of the year) and lets say, it was wild there.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nugzter View Post
    Exactly!!!! So lets assume the SK knows this after meeting MW. He asks ALC to meet him there. She says no. Why did she say no? She must have known it was one of those "spots".
    Now on the other hand, MW and the SK never met INSIDE the HIE. So why would he request ALC meet him there?
    Because she didn't. Listen closely at what they really say in this 48 Hours. It's just one of those tricks. In the written form, you would see a comma there.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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