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    Quote Originally Posted by Nads View Post
    Do you mean his clothes? Cos possibly A's clothes too.
    Yes his and her clothes, not the fake walking clothes he out her n after. IMO
    Shopping is a woman thing. It's a contact sport like football. Women enjoy the scrimmage, the noisy crowds, the danger of being trampled to death, and the ecstasy of the purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJsleuth View Post
    Believe me we've tried, her kids and friends have tried, the Counsellor at the Women's Centre tried, her GP has tried, the mental health team and hospital have tried to get her out. We know what he's capable of. Everyone has done everything they can. We and other family members at various times had her living with us for a few months but she keeps going back.
    Oh, this really doesn't sound good at all. I'm hoping for the best outcome.

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    The cleaning of the cars.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_99 View Post
    Interestingly, that was a local rumour I heard very early on in the piece & I was surprised it was never posted here!
    As someone has now said it certainly WAS posted here as a 'local rumour' (I tragically have read every post, albeit often with eyes glazed over as I should have been aleep!) and the person way back when who mentioned it said that GBC and NBC were busily vacuuming and cleaning car/s when the police arrived! I think that was only mentioned the once, however (amongst SO many other things, yet to be proven correct!) I didn't give it much thought at the time, however now that we've seen the photographic evidence of blood in the Captiva, it puts a slightly different complexion on things, doesn't it? It has also been rumoured that NBC refused to hand over a vacuum cleaner bag to the police.

    While I'm here, I loved your suggestion Hawkins about sending a little something 'directly' to the Dickies, and I'd like to do this too. Even just the thought of contributing a cheese stick, yoghurt and apple in the girls' lunch boxes gives me a warm fuzzy (even though you're probably thinking 'hot chips'!), and I'd like to pen a few words to those wonderful people. Can we consider 'White Pages' as MSM?! If the Dickies live on the Gold Coast and there is only one G and P that pops up when you search, can we assume that that is the 'correct' address? And that if someone was to post a little something to there, that it would get to the right place? Please advise Hawkins....I trust your judgement in everything else!! (And no, I don't mean I'm going to send FOOD...I just read back over that!! )

    Nevermind the adulation for Hawkie, WI (despite the Latin!) and now Dr Dubbya (think: George 'Dubbya'....if I'm being a little obscure!)...big shout out to my fave Gregsykins. (Best laugh ever: IMO WAN KER OK, you had to be there at the time!) Can I ask what the preoccupation with a certain female BC is? Do you know something WE don't?? Someone said not to get you 'started'.....but please do!! I'm fascinated....everytime you mention her I think OW CH !!! It was a very, very anguished OW that someone posted a pic of earlier, wasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nads View Post
    Grannie might be too but just hiding it under a bushel.
    Anything is possible ... more of a techno type I think.
    *** The above comment is my personal opinion and may be based on known facts or just my imagination ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJsleuth View Post
    Yeah, that's the thing i'm talking about!

    There were some items recovered by divers at the creek, that could have been one of them? It wasn't reported what the items were just that several items were found.
    Ooh yes I remember that...GBC was asked to go into police station to identify whether or not they belonged to Allison??

    Was this the several items you mentioned??

    April 30, 2012

    Yesterday, SES members say they found "several personal items".

    The items have been taken away for testing to determine if they belong to Mrs Baden-Clay.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-2...mother/3978146
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeArtichoke View Post
    I'm way, way, way behind in this thread but have a thought about source/cause for the positive luminol stains & drip marks found on the wheel arches inside the Captiva.

    Bleach based cleaners cause a positive luminol reaction too. Perhaps the majority of the marks are from leakage from cloths used to mop up a smaller more localized blood pool. Testing of the substance traces would still reveal Allison's blood, but perhaps diluted and spread out.

    Faced with mopping up blood in a carpeted area, one might place clean-up rags on the nearest plastic coated object - oh looky here, a convenient shelf on the wheel arch....oh, and there's another one close at hand too.

    http://www.hartnell.edu/faculty/jhug...Inhibition.pdf

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    When I first saw these images I thought OMG why so much blood. I have since been calmed when told it would mostly be bleach showing up, somwhat I thought were big drip marks of blood are not.

    Pretty confronting image tho geez.
    Shopping is a woman thing. It's a contact sport like football. Women enjoy the scrimmage, the noisy crowds, the danger of being trampled to death, and the ecstasy of the purchase.

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    Seeing two people putting something in the back of a car

    All of a sudden the posters username came to me.

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    Hi everyone, last night I had dinner with a friend who I only see once a year. She told me one of her good friends spoke to Allison B-C at the school on the Thursday 19th April, during the cross country. That night she drove past the B-C house and looked up the driveway and saw 2 people putting something into the back of the white Prado. She did wonder what they were doing at 11 pm at night. When she heard the reports on the Friday morning of Allison going missing she contacted the police straight away. I know this is second-hand info but I was pretty shocked! Wonder if it is true?
    Also spoke to the person who told me the lawyer was there on the Friday morning when the police arrived, asked him how the lawyer would get there from the gold coast as such a long way. Turns out it was a local lawyer, a friend of GB-C, the gold coast lawyer was hired later in the day.
    GB-C normally wears his sunnies when he is at the school and puts his head down and texts/reads his mobile, Thursday and Friday he had no sunnies on, didn't see his phone and he was chatting and smiling. I guess it is better for the girls if GB-C starts acting "normally". The Brookie Show has lifted the communities spirit, the kids are all so excited. It doesn't mean anyone is forgetting about Allison, it is just good to not have so much tension around for a few days.
    That's the last post they've made on this website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaes View Post
    I'm sure everyone has already seen these photos. Does anyone think it looks like the areas have been wiped clean at all? It isn't blood splatter. If it was found in her car, then it's probable it was found at the home too yeah? How upsetting for her family.
    Scary.. But thanks for contributing the photos. To me, it looks more like nose or lip bleeding. May be an epidural head injury. I do not think it was too much blood there at all. It's spread widely but it looks rather sparse to me.

    In this light, GBC's midnight call could have been about a car. May be he asked NBC to lend him his car, NBC did not agree, so GBC had to use one of his. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    Ooh yes I remember that...GBC was asked to go into police station to identify whether or not they belonged to Allison??

    Was this the several items you mentioned??

    April 30, 2012

    Yesterday, SES members say they found "several personal items".

    The items have been taken away for testing to determine if they belong to Mrs Baden-Clay.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-2...mother/3978146
    How far is Divers Creek from where she was found?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseClosed View Post
    But perhaps after 11 days there are no traces left?
    I'm pretty sure the traces can remain for a long long time - remember how bodies are sometimes exhumed after information comes to light a long time after burial, and 'viola' evidence is found in the body? Has brought a number of murderers to justice. It is often the case where murder has occurred, but not discovered, the body is cremated, (usually where the murderer is a spouse), to destroy evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marlywings View Post
    Ooh yes I remember that...GBC was asked to go into police station to identify whether or not they belonged to Allison??

    Was this the several items you mentioned??

    April 30, 2012

    Yesterday, SES members say they found "several personal items".

    The items have been taken away for testing to determine if they belong to Mrs Baden-Clay.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-2...mother/3978146
    Yes, that's it. I don't specifically remember that it said personal items but it probably did (sleep deprived at the time I was reading it!)

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    Perhaps they smelt bleach and cleaning products?
    Yep, that was my initial thought way back at the beginning of all of this.

    There might still be truth in the "all doors seen to be open on the car" rumour...to air out the bleach smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeArtichoke View Post
    I'm way, way, way behind in this thread but have a thought about source/cause for the positive luminol stains & drip marks found on the wheel arches inside the Captiva.

    Bleach based cleaners cause a positive luminol reaction too. Perhaps the majority of the marks are from leakage from cloths used to mop up a smaller more localized blood pool. Testing of the substance traces would still reveal Allison's blood, but perhaps diluted and spread out.

    Faced with mopping up blood in a carpeted area, one might place clean-up rags on the nearest plastic coated object - oh looky here, a convenient shelf on the wheel arch....oh, and there's another one close at hand too.

    http://www.hartnell.edu/faculty/jhug...Inhibition.pdf
    http://www.imprimus.net/PDF%20Files/...20Analysis.pdf

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    I thought about that too. Or maybe the person placing her in and out of the car was wearing bloodstained gloves and used the wheel arches to lean on. Looks like an attempt to clean off a smaller amount of blood actually ended up smearing it further. Hmmm wonder who that sounds like. jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeArtichoke View Post
    Yep, that was my initial thought way back at the beginning of all of this.

    There might still be truth in the "all doors seen to be open on the car" rumour...to air out the bleach smell.
    It didnt happen in the prado.
    Shopping is a woman thing. It's a contact sport like football. Women enjoy the scrimmage, the noisy crowds, the danger of being trampled to death, and the ecstasy of the purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayside View Post
    When I first saw these images I thought OMG why so much blood. I have since been calmed when told it would mostly be bleach showing up, somwhat I thought were big drip marks of blood are not.

    Pretty confronting image tho geez.
    I also thought the same.. I felt sick on the stomach when I saw the pic on the news.. I said..'thats not...is it?' with this horrible feeling coming over me.. thank you for also informing me that it may not all be blood..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KG1 View Post
    I'm pretty sure the traces can remain for a long long time - remember how bodies are sometimes exhumed after information comes to light a long time after burial, and 'viola' evidence is found in the body? Has brought a number of murderers to justice. It is often the case where murder has occurred, but not discovered, the body is cremated, (usually where the murderer is a spouse), to destroy evidence.
    Yes, and I suppose it depends on the substance, because some only stay in the system for a day or a few days. In exhumed bodies sometimes the substance is detected in the nails and hair.
    *** The above comment is my personal opinion and may be based on known facts or just my imagination ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detect View Post
    Do you have an iphone? They display a little differently that other phones.
    NO..I don't. I do have a smart phone if you can call it smart..sometimes I curse it for being dumb.. but maybe its operator error!

    what do you mean they display differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    I also thought the same.. I felt sick on the stomach when I saw the pic on the news.. I said..'thats not...is it?' with this horrible feeling coming over me.. thank you for also informing me that it may not all be blood..
    I think it shows how much he cleaned the area with bleach.
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    You know even after being told bleach can show up in the luminol testing.. I still look at those pics and feel off.. it just makes me sick..it brings the reality up right there that that may be Allisons blood. I wondered why against the door like that as well as in the boot area.. This is the Captiva isn't it? I assume so as it seems to have remained impounded.. Do the seats fold right forward in this model car? would the side of the door been accessable(touched by something in the back) if the seats are folded forward?? Anyone know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayside View Post
    I think it shows how much he cleaned the area with bleach.
    Thank you..It still makes me feel sick.. It was not made clear on the news this could be bleach as well.. I just don't even want to think about it anymore..

    time for bed I think..
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    I also thought the same.. I felt sick on the stomach when I saw the pic on the news.. I said..'thats not...is it?' with this horrible feeling coming over me.. thank you for also informing me that it may not all be blood..
    And there it is - the known shock value these images present to anyone without the knowledge of how the marks may have come about. The QPS know full well it would illicit strong responses. In combination with GBC's saccharine SMSes to Allison, they are baiting further informants to come forward, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeArtichoke View Post
    Yep, that was my initial thought way back at the beginning of all of this.

    There might still be truth in the "all doors seen to be open on the car" rumour...to air out the bleach smell.
    Bleach is a hard smell to get rid of.

    I have got some domestos on my hand while cleaning and washed it over and over and could still smell it on my skin the next day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlobeArtichoke View Post
    And there it is - the known shock value these images present to anyone without the knowledge of how the marks may have come about. The QPS know full well it would illicit strong responses. In combination with GBC's saccharine SMSes to Allison, they are baiting further informants to come forward, IMO.
    I think the media is doing that because there are hundreds of pages of new info they now have in front of them and they chose to run with that story tonight/today.
    Shopping is a woman thing. It's a contact sport like football. Women enjoy the scrimmage, the noisy crowds, the danger of being trampled to death, and the ecstasy of the purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linette View Post
    How far is Divers Creek from where she was found?
    The items were found in the creek where she was discovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    You know even after being told bleach can show up in the luminol testing.. I still look at those pics and feel off.. it just makes me sick..it brings the reality up right there that that may be Allisons blood. I wondered why against the door like that as well as in the boot area.. This is the Captiva isn't it? I assume so as it seems to have remained impounded.. Do the seats fold right forward in this model car? would the side of the door been accessable(touched by something in the back) if the seats are folded forward?? Anyone know?
    Apparently the Captiva has 3 rows of seats. I could be wrong, but it looks as though only the back row of seats has been folded down in the Crime Scene photos (still can't believe they were published).

    These are pics of the interior of a Holden Captiva.
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