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    SMSes to Allison's iPhone

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    iPhone tracking application

    Something for QPS investigators: did Allison's iPhone have the "Find my iphone" APP installed? iTunes would have a record of the subscription.

    It has been previously mentioned in the media that GBC endeared himself with Allison in their early days by helping her with her computer issues. I also recall reading on this forum that GBC has a preference for (Apple) Mac devices.

    If so its a fair bet that he knew of, and possibly installed, the "Find my iPhone" App on Allison's iPhone for the pure reason of security in the event of its accidental loss or theft.

    The App works from one login account (e.g. this App is on my iPhone but installed by my partner using his login details - I can use it if I know his login details...which I do ), and in this scenario for Allison, I suggest it would be GBC's login. The App is installed on all Apple devices under the one account so that the whereabouts of any device (connected to wifi or telephone network) can be checked with any of the others. Checking a device brings up a google street map showing location of the device, including if it's in transit.

    If the App was on Allison's iPhone and not mentioned during the search process, eyebrows would be raised.

    On a more sinister note: such a location-tracking tool could be exploited by a possessive, mistrustful partner. If this were the case, the discovery of this by Allison would be a major catalyst for confrontation. Allison could have thrown or hidden the phone herself - switched on/off, she wouldn't have cared.

    All of the above is purely speculative.

    I posted the above back in Thread #9, and since GBC allegedly declared the existence of this App in his April 20th SMS to Allison it could become an interesting piece of evidence.

    As CaseClosed pointed out, location (GPS) services can be switched off manually which would disable the App on the iPhone. Or the phone itself could be switched off to disable the App.

    Another poster also pointed out that a phone, even when switched off, can still be pinged and triangulated from mobile phone towers. It seems this was the case for Allison's phone (though we don't know if it was switched off) which indicates it wasn't destroyed.

    My guess is that GBC probably divulged the April 20 SMSes to Allison to police on the morning of the search for her, knowing that the search for it using the App would be fruitless because he had either disabled location services or switched her phone off. It would then be imperative for QPS to find Allison's phone to check WHAT TIME it had been switched off. Usage statistics should record this.

    Further, if GBC was in the habit of using the Find My iPhone App to locate Allison, it could weaken a defense argument that her phone might have been wrenched from her hands during an altercation with an attacker/abductor during her walk and tossed into the scrub nearby. In this scenario, one would have to presume the attacker had some clue as to how to turn the phone off, and to stop and take the time to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makara View Post
    If there is a limit of two visitors per visiting session I would have thought that OW would step back so that her mother could visit GBC.
    Just wondering if we assume someone of more than one from the BCs had some knowledge or involvement..maybe EBC is innocent and did not have knowledge..maybe she is in shock with the allegations and or cannot face visiting him in prison.. Just a few alternative thoughts.

    sorry Makara..notice you said similar on the previous page..
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    Funny though that the prosecution have tabled it as a call to NBC.. perhaps they know more than we do as to why they specifically say NBC..MOO
    Most likely because the call was traced to NBC's phone but that doesn't mean to say that he was the one who answered the call. Having said that, I agree UT, there will be so much more revealed about this call and NBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    Nah it was hairy caterpillar plague..
    *** The above comment is my personal opinion and may be based on known facts or just my imagination ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makara View Post
    Most likely because the call was traced to NBC's phone but that doesn't mean to say that he was the one who answered the call. Having said that, I agree UT, there will be so much more revealed about this call and NBC.

    MOO.
    Yes I thought that too of the reason they said it was his phone. I guess I assumed though that they had knowledge that he spoke to NBC to state that he called NBC.. I thought they may actually have more knowledge of went down with that call then has been stated at this point.. but just a guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    Funny though that the prosecution have tabled it as a call to NBC.. perhaps they know more than we do as to why they specifically say NBC..MOO
    Well I hope they know more than we do I just find it hard to believe that there is anyone in that family that is in the dark. jmo

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    It doesn't look there is going to be any midnight media updates. I haven't received any Google alerts. Are there any CM subscribers here at the moment?

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    *** The above comment is my personal opinion and may be based on known facts or just my imagination ***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaes View Post
    Well I hope they know more than we do I just find it hard to believe that there is anyone in that family that is in the dark. jmo
    Ha ha..yes I hope they do too! or they're up the creek..

    Yeah I agree it does seem like at least the parents have some knowledge. I am not sure about anyone else. Not prepared to throw away the key on them..because I guess at this stage we could be wrong on what we think..But it is looking highly suss on at least 1 person and maybe more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    Ha ha..yes I hope they do too! or they're up the creek..

    Yeah I agree it does seem like at least the parents have some knowledge. I am not sure about anyone else. Not prepared to throw away the key on them..because I guess at this stage we could be wrong on what we think..But it is looking highly suss on at least 1 person and maybe more..
    MOO

    I am suss on 3. The other one, who I have never spoke of, I feel is 100% innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnfoldingTruth View Post
    Nah it was hairy caterpillar plague..

    Its not that stupid a thing to suggest really. Here are some pics of caterpillar bites.
    Attached Images Attached Images

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    Its not that stupid a thing to suggest really. Here are some pics of caterpillar bites.
    eww...nasty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    Its not that stupid a thing to suggest really. Here are some pics of caterpillar bites.
    Good snaps/pics............however, there are no self inflicted scratches done by the human that tear through the epidermis to leave deep markings associated.

    Lame search by Peter Davis, his Senior Counsel, as an excuse....for chest scratches lol...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berry View Post
    Good snaps/pics............however, there are no self inflicted scratches done by the human that tear through the epidermis to leave deep markings associated.

    Lame search by Peter Davis, his Senior Counsel, as an excuse....for chest scratches lol...........

    How do you come to the conclusion that one cant tear through their own top layer of skin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limaes View Post
    I am suss on 3. The other one, who I have never spoke of, I feel is 100% innocent.
    Just curious...which 3? NBC, EBc and OW or TM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheekymonkey View Post
    Just curious...which 3? Mama Bear, Papa Bear and Sister Bear or Goldilocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Please use initials of those you are discussing. Name variations are not allowed because the members get confused. Not everyone is here daily.

    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    How do you come to the conclusion that one cant tear through their own top layer of skin?
    Ummmm jubes, I admired your pictures, but in your 4 pics, I observed that no human who had them, had also had any scratches that tore through their top layer of skin.

    Did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheekymonkey View Post
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    Don't worry about it. You are certainly not the first one to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berry View Post
    Ummmm jubes, I admired your pictures, but in your 4 pics, I observed that no human who had them, had also had any scratches that tore through their top layer of skin.

    Did you?
    I'm sorry but I am not following what you mean..

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    P.S Only my friends call me Jubes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ActusReus View Post
    Must be a slow news day at the CM.......
    or they have been reading here again and getting our ideas(tongue in cheek)

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    Dr Watson, I hope you don't mind but we all know most will check your verification.
    I thought I'd post it here to save everyone going looking for it and googling.

    What is a Thoracic Surgeon?
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    What kind of training is required to become a Thoracic Surgeon?
    Thoracic surgeons have to graduate from medical school and most commonly will go on to complete a five-year general surgery residency. After this they must successfully matriculate through an approved cardiothoracic surgery residency program for either two or three years. Some thoracic surgeons choose to do additional training in a sub-specialized area but this training is largely optional, except for congenital heart surgery.


    Very specialized it seems. Welcome. Can I have a loan? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubillee View Post
    P.S Only my friends call me Jubes
    Mwahhh jubes.....GBC HAD huge deep scratches on his chest I mean and I do wonder IF it was the caterpillar sting/bite (as stated) these other pics of bites you gave us don't seem to have those scratches around them....JMO

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