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    Is there any sign of drug abuse here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    Is there any sign of drug abuse here?
    That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

    Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angels_Not_Forgotten View Post
    That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

    Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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    LOL No Worries!
    I hear what your saying!

    See to me it sounds like drugs are the center of this the weight loss etc etc.
    anxiety , And maybe the parents didnt want to say rehab so they say she had a slight breakdown...
    So she did the rehab but now wanted some drugs so she runs off to find them!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angels_Not_Forgotten View Post
    Ah my mistake a suicide related website...same feeling for me though. If you weren't suicidal, why be on the webpage? Unless it was for a paper at school which imo only, it doesn't sound like.

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    Maybe to help yourself. It doesn't say it is a website for how to commit suicide. But I can see if I was really depressed, I might look to see if others felt like I did and if anyone said how they helped themselves. I doubt she was going to commit suicide via ibuprofen, but I guess it's possible. There could be other info on such pages like that, like what if you took too much of something?

    None of this means the parents aren't well meaning, but maybe they never had this kind of thing to deal with before and came in too upset and heavy handed. People will often turn away when they think you are being unreasonable and trying to force your will instead of listening to what they want and need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    LOL No Worries!
    I hear what your saying!

    See to me it sounds like drugs are the center of this the weight loss etc etc.
    anxiety , And maybe the parents didnt want to say rehab so they say she had a slight breakdown...
    So she did the rehab but now wanted some drugs so she runs off to find them!
    That's insightful and very possible.

    I think it's also possible that whatever caused her weight loss led to further anxiety, a viscous cycle - anxiety or a sleep disorder/insomnia can make one almost completely lose their appetite. I've had that happen a couple of times in my life and once because I had a virus that hung around for over a month. I'm not sure they would know though if she had gradually lost some pounds or the amount she weighed pre and post was off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angels_Not_Forgotten View Post
    That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

    Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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    I think if she was an inpatient they would draw blood and run tests?


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    Is it possible that perhaps she is questioning her sexuality? Given some of the family dynamics, it is possible that an issue such as that might be a difficult one. The only reason I mention it is because she might reach out to others who have had similar experiences and would likely help her with food, shelter, acceptance, "counseling," etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by la_cavalière View Post
    Hi Quiche,

    While I've only been in Sacramento for a month, I live near the American River and have already biked and walked several parts of the bike trail all the way to Folsom. The trail is definitely a highlight of living in Sactown!

    The reason I said she's in a limited area is that the sightings (if accurate) have all been within a fairly compact area by the river in or near the central city. It would take eight hours to walk to Folsom -- longer if she avoided the bike trail, which wouldn't be easy -- and remember, she's in flip flops.

    There are many bikers and fairly few walkers along the river trail, so I'm sure someone would spot her. If she's living on the river somewhere, the homeless regulars would surely notice a new young woman in their midst and word would get out. Disheveled or not, she does not look like your typical homeless person.

    So... while I'm really hoping she's still nearby and safe, I'm beginning to wonder if the sightings are false and either she has fled the area or (worse) something has happened to her.
    Actually, at this time of the year, I feel the river community (aka homeless encampments) are probably much much safer than the streets. I think it's highly possible she's being looked after by well meaning folk. jmo

    Quote Originally Posted by nikb View Post
    Hopefully if so, you won't be able to tell! I'm sure you'd notice increased foot/bike traffic, though.

    I just thought of this too... I know down closer to Folsom Lake there's quite a bit of horseback riding along the trail and river. Haven't seen as many horses further to the West, but I do see them as far up as Ancil Hoffman park. Is there anywhere that would be useful to post pictures / info? Maybe a stable like Shadow Glenn (I don't know of any others locally but there may be some), or I've also seen arenas where people meet up to head out riding. Any thoughts? Physical limitations prevent me from doing much actual "on the ground" searching but I'm trying to think of anything I can do to help.
    Actually, it's entirely possible she could have hopped light rail into Folsom, started up on the trails again, and is heading into her home territories along the south fork and Salmon Falls Road. I mean, this girl was raised in the river rafting community, I'm sure she knows it like the back of her hand.

    It's also possible she obtained a bike.

    There is no way that she'd be in want of money-- if she wanted some, she'd get enough to do whatever she needed to do. That's mo. (I know if a young woman like herself approached me and said she needed ten bucks to get home, I'd probably give her twenty-- just sayin')


    Quote Originally Posted by justwannahelp View Post
    well, if she is with a homeless encampment type situation. her parents need to find her and force her to leave so she doesn't become a victim of human trafficking. they can work out their differences later, but she's not safe on the streets.

    i hope she is with an unknown friend and not on the streets
    I think this is VERY likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by handyman916 View Post
    Ok back from searching didn't see anyone handing out flyers or searching for her. I was able to start on the north side of the river from Howe to watt no sign of her or any camps tomorrow will search north side from howe down past arden. Someone just texted me they confirmed yesterdays sighting and word is she is living with homeless along the river.
    Charity and goodwill can come from the unlikeliest of places-- from what I know of "the homeless along the river" is that many are a brand of people who are sensitive to another's suffering and will ease it where they can. jmo

    Quote Originally Posted by nikb View Post
    Thanks for the update. Sorry you didn't see her. Is the story true that there are flyers posted all around that area, even though you didn't see anyone handing them out? At this point I'm hesitant to even hand them out because I think it might push her further into hiding, but IF it seems like it'd be helpful I can do some of that tomorrow. Argh wish I could help more with the physical searching but unfortunately I just can't because of my own limitations.

    I'm glad to hear the sighting is confirmed and at least some guidance that the theory/theories about where she is may be correct. In that area it seems like there are a lot more individual 'camps' or very small groups of people as opposed to the larger homeless camps/areas. Also seems to be where we run into people (homeless) who aren't very threatening and have been nice if they're around. We tend to 'beach it' in our small boat at several spots along there, and almost always there's a makeshift tent or two nearby, mostly lived in by people who either want some food or to be left alone. We've shared food quite a few times and they've always been grateful and friendly. I totally agree it's not a GOOD environment for her and she's hugely at risk, but I do hope she's with people like that. Depending on who she's with and what they've heard or what she's told them, they might be trying to help 'protect' her from searchers.

    (as before, total speculation other than the stuff handyman916 has confirmed)
    My sentiments exactly. I think she's safer down there than, let's say, the Del Paso Blvd. areas, or Broadway, or C Street. I'm far more comfortable knowing she gravitated toward the river.


    Quote Originally Posted by shefner View Post
    Interesting new article here that gives us a description of what Linnea was experiencing that caused her parents' concerns....

    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...lief-with.html
    From the article: The climax came a few weeks ago, when Linnea's worried parents showed up at her dorm room to find her in what Craig Lomax described as a "terrible, terrible state" – literally pulling out her hair, a bottle of ibuprofen open, a suicide-related website on her computer screen.

    Her parents and a nurse persuaded her to admit herself to a mental health facility, but she remained steadfast that she did not have a problem and did not need all the medications they were recommending, her father said.
    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...#storylink=cpy

    Okay, from the horse's mouth, so to speak-- Mom and Dad persuaded her to go in for treatment, but she did not, in the end, agree with the assessment-- anxiety and OCD? That sounds like the condition of every A student I know!!

    It's odd to me that they admit she was well enough to call the shots regarding her treatment, but now that she's been through it, they are dissatisfied?

    Also, I want to say that if she had a substance abuse problem (which they didn't cite) she would be the cleanest the day she took off, which means to me, she made a clear choice. moo


    Quote Originally Posted by Angels_Not_Forgotten View Post
    Ah my mistake a suicide related website...same feeling for me though. If you weren't suicidal, why be on the webpage? Unless it was for a paper at school which imo only, it doesn't sound like.

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    She was a freshman, so she was probably taking Psyche 1, lol. It's entirely probable that website was related to her final exams-- it could have been any number of subjects, really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    Is there any sign of drug abuse here?
    As I noted above, even if so, she was CLEAN the day she decided to ditch out on the treatment she didn't agree with.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Angels_Not_Forgotten View Post
    That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

    Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.
    I'm almost sure they do check for that. Also one of my early thoughts in all this was wondering if it was drug related, especially when the woman on Facebook was commenting about her son being treated for Oxycontin abuse. And the place she was at does do drug treatment as far as I know. I've seen nothing that suggests she had a drug problem but being inpatient for 10 days (maybe 3 day detox/7 day treatment was all insurance would cover?) and then put into outpatient would not be surprising timing wise.

    I didn't feel you were talking down to anyone at all. Honestly I'm uncomfortable having questionable thoughts about the motives and even more uncomfortable posting about them but like you said, different theories all come into play. And when I had enough things in a row make me think "woah back up!" in some ways I wanted to see if I was over-reacting or if others felt that way too. I always try to think the best about people and hope I haven't come off sounding like I'm 'bashing' the family or their search site. The whole idea of the search getting really overbearing (in my opinion) well... I guess I am coming down on that.


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    Oh, and it couldn't be better that it's the Fourth-- there will be a lot of eyes on the waterways. If she's down there she might get a message to her folks... (I wish she would make a statement so people could relax about her well being).

    Btw, Happy 4th my WS friends!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiche View Post
    My sentiments exactly. I think she's safer down there than, let's say, the Del Paso Blvd. areas, or Broadway, or C Street. I'm far more comfortable knowing she gravitated toward the river.
    Same here! I know that "homeless by the river" could come across sounding like a horrible thing but truly, if I were in desparate circumstances or wanted to disappear around here, that's where I'd go. And I didn't even know this til last night, but it's also where my husband went many years ago when he was in desparate circumstances. I was relieved when I heard that might be where she headed.

    I won't deny it YES there are some scary people along there but the majority aren't (at least not the ones who talk to the people out boating/rafting). Down on their luck, dropped out of 'normal' life, drug problems, mental health problems, yes... but usually they don't seem very dangerous. Some I've met actually WANT to live that way, simpler, but surviving. Even the scary ones I've run across were usually so drunk or high on who-knows-what that they still weren't exactly dangerous at least not to others. If she is in fact headed towards Folsom as some have speculated, it gets more and more safe as she goes upriver, too.

    It's all speculation but I'm glad several of us who live locally are thinking the same scenario is likely. I so hope that's what's happening.
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    Not sure what to make of this case. Without knowing what's going on inside her mind, just don't know....
    I don't think she is very safe, though, living on the run or with homeless as she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSteve View Post
    Not sure what to make of this case. Without knowing what's going on inside her mind, just don't know....
    I don't think she is very safe, though, living on the run or with homeless as she is.
    Where she's living is only an assumption, and at best an educated guess. She may very well be in a nice home with friends her parents aren't aware of. mo


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    It's extremely dangerous for young people living on the "streets" or near the river in my opinion.

    Did you know what happens to young people that are homeless who try to survive on the streets?

    Young people who are too old for foster care and too young to apply for social services face devastating short- and long-term consequences from being forced to survive on the streets.
    Nearly 43% of homeless young men and 39% of homeless young women say they were assaulted with a weapon while living on the streets.
    Homeless youth suffer significant mental health problems that include depression, anxiety disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, substance abuse, and suicidal thoughts.
    Young people living on the streets are highly likely to be engaged in substance abuse (approximately 75%), as a means to self-medicate to deal with traumatic experiences and abuse they face while trying to survive.
    Every year, approximately 5,000 homeless young people will die because of assault, illness, or suicide while on the street.
    http://www.sacramentodreamcenter.org...l#.T_R5CvWqaQg


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSteve View Post
    Not sure what to make of this case. Without knowing what's going on inside her mind, just don't know....
    I don't think she is very safe, though, living on the run or with homeless as she is.
    VERY true and who knows if that's even where she is. I for sure didn't mean to say or imply she's safe, just a little bit safer by the river than on the streets where she was originally spotted, and I think it's more likely she could find somoene sympathetic and helpful there.

    Much better scenario is the thought posted that maybe she's with a friend/friends and safe in someone's home.


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