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    Penn State Sandusky Trial #12 (GUILTY-post verdict discussion)

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    Mod note: As the fallout from this case ripples on, some of you have suggested that we create a forum for discussion of JS and related cases. We are watching the ongoing developments and will let you know when a decision is made about this. For the time being, please keep up the good work you are doing in this thread.
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    From the last thread, BigCat wrote:
    That's why PSU admins. should have turned the info over to the proper authorities.


    The '"proper authorities" were the PSU Police Department headed by Shultz. PSU has their own police department which is larger than the city's police department. PSU department doesn't report to the city's PD. The DA of that county had previously chosen to not prosecute Sandusky.

    Someone should have reported this to the State Police which are controlled by governor, so....uh....forget that. Someone should have called the FBI.

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    Vitriolic piece by CBS Sports's Gregg Doyel following the CNN report:

    Emails show Paterno legacy, Penn State officials should face reckoning
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    Paterno's statue outside Beaver Stadium has to come down, because otherwise Penn State would be celebrating a man who helped talk school officials into leaving Jerry Sandusky alone in 2001, letting an alleged pedophile escape detection for another decade, giving that alleged pedophile -- and it's not "alleged" anymore -- unfettered access to campus for another decade.

    After the statue comes down, then what? Well, then his statue would be disposed of, possibly melted down into prison bars -- maybe the bars that will hold Sandusky. Or maybe someone could just toss Paterno's statue into a landfill, throw it away as easily as Paterno and his underlings threw away the lives of so many boys in their community.
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    much more at link above, w/link to the CNN story

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    Interesting two paragraphs at the very end of this article BBM:

    Freeh’s investigators are also exploring the circumstances surrounding Paterno’s decision to eventually hire McQueary as an assistant coach, the person familiar with the investigation said. McQueary, a former quarterback for Paterno at Penn State, has testified under oath that when he first contacted Paterno to inform him of what he had seen in the showers, Paterno assumed he was calling to ask for a job, and that Paterno brusquely told him he would not be hired.

    McQueary was ultimately hired over another, more experienced candidate, and investigators are curious about whether that development came as a consequence of what he told Paterno that morning in 2001.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sp...pagewanted=all
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Vitriolic piece by CBS Sports's Gregg Doyel following the CNN report:

    Emails show Paterno legacy, Penn State officials should face reckoning

    much more at link above, w/link to the CNN story
    From the article. This is to me truly the most appalling part of the whole story and Doyel nails it:


    "I am supportive," Spanier wrote in an email obtained by CNN. "The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

    Read that again.

    The only downside for us if the message isn't heard and acted upon is that we become vulnerable for not having reported it.

    Never mind the downside of another boy -- or 10 more boys -- being molested by a pedophile. That wasn't the downside that scared Spanier. What scared Spanier? That Penn State, and Penn State officials, would be "vulnerable."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Interesting two paragraphs at the very end of this article BBM:

    Freeh’s investigators are also exploring the circumstances surrounding Paterno’s decision to eventually hire McQueary as an assistant coach, the person familiar with the investigation said. McQueary, a former quarterback for Paterno at Penn State, has testified under oath that when he first contacted Paterno to inform him of what he had seen in the showers, Paterno assumed he was calling to ask for a job, and that Paterno brusquely told him he would not be hired.

    McQueary was ultimately hired over another, more experienced candidate, and investigators are curious about whether that development came as a consequence of what he told Paterno that morning in 2001.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sp...pagewanted=all
    Here's another interesting tidbit from that same article:

    "To that end, Freeh’s investigation has identified previously undisclosed billing records showing that officials of the university, when deciding what to do in 2001, consulted with the law firm that served as its outside counsel on their legal obligation to report the assault, the person familiar with the inquiry said. It is unclear from the billing records whether the officials disclosed the nature of the accusations against Sandusky or simply made a general inquiry. Several hours were billed, beginning on a Sunday night, the person said. The lawyer who represented the university at the time did not return a phone call requesting comment."

    A poster on a PSU football message board passed along the above information earlier in the week, scooping the New York Times, which leads me to further suspect these leaks are coming from Freeh or persons within the university.

    The question I have is -- did Curley and Schultz contact an attorney on the Sunday night after their initial meeting with Paterno?

    If they were in CYA mode from the beginning, that might explain why it took them 10 days to meet with MM.

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    I really have no doubt that McQueary got that job to keep him quite. He may not think about it that way but I really think that's why he was hired. It is very curious.

    I also don't believe Curley/Schultz were just given "vague" information from McQueary; I think they were straight out told or at the very least it was made clear something sexual happened, hence why they may have sought outside counsel. I mean if McQ only gave a vague statement to them, only said "horseplay", then I doubt they'd have discussed going to the proper authorities or talked about telling Sandusky to get help. They wouldn't have been freaking out over how it would get PSU into trouble. McQueary had to have been clear and rather specific.

    I just hope Joe Pa didn't tell them to back off Sandusky, as is implied. All these people look so bad. So, so, so bad. How do they live with themselves? Even worse? How does Spanier think PSU's reputation being shredded is worse than more young boys being victimized by a predator? Sick. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Vitriolic piece by CBS Sports's Gregg Doyel following the CNN report:

    Emails show Paterno legacy, Penn State officials should face reckoning

    much more at link above, w/link to the CNN story
    I see that you were being polite by terming it "vitriolic," Woofie...

    <respectfully snipped from link above>

    "The civil suits are coming, and they probably will name Spanier along with Curley, Schultz, Paterno's estate and of course Penn State itself. Everyone should pay, but the first check must be written by Graham Spanier. It needs to have a one, followed by a lot of zeroes before he even thinks about writing the decimal. A million dollars? That's a start, but how much does he have? Sell his house. Raid his 401(k). Take the damn dentures out of his mouth and hawk them on eBay."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfgodot View Post
    Vitriolic piece by CBS Sports's Gregg Doyel following the CNN report:

    Emails show Paterno legacy, Penn State officials should face reckoning

    much more at link above, w/link to the CNN story
    Thanks for this article. By far, the very best I've read about this. You can smell and taste his furor and outrage.


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    And then we have 1998.


    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?

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    The stupid thing is, imo, that if they had just called LE and reported Sandusky from the start, it would have been over and done with, no huge taint of shame to take Penn. State down at all. Pathetic decisions all the way around.
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    Sandusky’s Body Language During and After Verdict Shows Shock and Fear
    http://drlillianglass.com/body-langu...hock-and-fear/

    I wonder if anyone here has done a psychological profile on Jerry Sandusky. My thinking is he is a narcissist with obsessive compulsive personality disorder.

    Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001938/

    I think Sandusky is a Bureaucratic Compulsive.
    http://www.millon.net/taxonomy/summary.htm

    Sandusky is very controlling, intrusive, meddling, nosy, petty, and closed-minded. He has traits similar to Osama bin Laden, Lori Drew, and Casey Anthony (don't think she is obsessive compulsive).




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    Can anyone help me with this? How do you research how many people have the same name?

    I'm trying to find out how many people have the name Gerald Arthur Sandusky.

    And to find out where they live/have lived.

    Many thanks for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinktoes View Post
    Can anyone help me with this? How do you research how many people have the same name?

    I'm trying to find out how many people have the name Gerald Arthur Sandusky.

    And to find out where they live/have lived.

    Many thanks for any help.
    Never mind. Someone is apparently filing prank lawsuits all over the country, listing GAS as a party:

    "...The filing is similar to others filed in federal courts during the past two weeks in Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio and Wisconsin under such names as Jonathan Bollinger, Tom N. Jerry, Jonathan Paterno and Gino Romano."

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz1zK3Q7yww

    Must be someone with Histrionic Personality Disorder!

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