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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    When detectives investigating Gricar's disappearance questioned Gricar's assistants (Yes, I did read that one was never questioned, but there were others in his office) do you believe Gricar's assistants really didn't tell the detectives about Gricar's knowledge of the Sandusky allegation?
    Yes, in 2005; I believe that Sandusky never came up in regard to RFG. It wasn't an issue. The Sandusky case was a 3 1/2 weeks just under years before. There was no further investigation and no charges were brought. There was no indication, in 2005, that Sandusky had done anything to interest LE since that point. RFG wasn't working on it.

    RFG dealt with 100's (if not 1000's) of cases as DA, and as an ADA prosecuted additional cases in both Centre and Cuyahoga Counties. Sandusky wasn't exactly on the radar in 2005. It wasn't current or the most violent case he handled.

    There were interviews of of some of the ADA's from the period in the summer of 2010. That was after the grand jury had started looking at Sandusky. One said that the detectives said he told them things they never knew about RFG.

    From what I have read, Gricar was respected and liked. I believe his assistants would have shared with the detectives everyone who had an interest in Gricar disappearing. Having a DA go "poof" in your state is very serious and threatening to all prosecutors. Corbett would have wanted to know the details the detectives gathered. (no link, just common sense)
    Corbett had a hands off policy with the case. The local DA's declined to turn it over to him. I wasn't even calling for it to be turned over until 11/2011, because of the jurisdictional problem.

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    What happened to former Centre County DA Ray Gricar?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    Unless Sandusky shared the true name of the 2001 victim with admins, how could anyone check on this child? I seriously doubt Sandusky would have shared this child's real name.
    A phone call to Second Mile would have been a good place to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    A phone call to Second Mile would have been a good place to start.
    ITA. Raykovitz or his wife would have likely stated "Gee. We just don't know. Jerry has LOTS of little boys that he is interested in" because Jerry did and they had to witness this for decades. As a PH.D psychiatrist and a school guidance counselor they had to suspect something too, IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    ITA. Raykovitz or his wife would have likely stated "Gee. We just don't know. Jerry has LOTS of little boys that he is interested in" because Jerry did and they had to witness this for decades. As a PH.D psychiatrist and a school guidance counselor they had to suspect something too, IMO.
    Maybe they would have dodged the question, but someone had to have known who Jerry was hanging out with on that particular day. The child didn't just materialize out of nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Maybe they would have dodged the question, but someone had to have known who Jerry was hanging out with on that particular day. The child didn't just materialize out of nowhere.
    It should not have been too hard to figure out, at the time.

    Second Mile had records of who was in the program. Sandusky claimed he'd identified the child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    And, as always:

    Central Pennsylvania Gothic.

    It keeps on getting worse. Even if the Three Stooges were acting out of completely altruistic purposes, really thought they were being "humane," it blew up in their faces. Good Lord, even saying that they wanted Sandusky to get help doesn't mean anything if he doesn't get any help.

    Maybe, this could be at least partly justifiable if someone would have forced him to get help, and made sure he wasn't around young boys.

    (Yes, I'm in full rant today!)
    What gets me is that these 3 men all knew about 1998 and 2001, and Paterno we know knew about 2001 and maybe 1998, but until 2009, I believe, when Sandusky found out he was being investigated, for 8 years, they still saw him around boys at the school, the hotels, the games, even out of state games, and never stopped to think what was going on, never asked, never got involved again, knowing what they knew about him.

    What happened to the follow up they emailed about? Why did they take no action all those 8 years when they saw he was still behaving the same way with boys? Where was their concern for the children? Where was their concern for their own jobs if this came out? Where were their brains? Where was their thinking? Surely they had all realized if the situation became public this would be against them and the school...they acknowledged this before so why did they just stop being concerned about it after 2001? It's like they just put it in the back of their minds and used some magical thinking to dismiss it.

    2002 - no more complaints about JS, we got by another year
    2003 - ditto
    2004 - ditto
    2005 - ditto
    2006 - ditto
    2007 - ditto
    2008 - ditto
    2009 - oops, holy cow!
    2010 - I'd love to see the emails for that year as they prepared to testity

    No, they are not stupid men, in fact, very smart and well educated, but they made a very, very stupid decision and then stupidly stuck with it all those years without any concern about what JS was still doing with the boys, or even for their own jobs and school. Just frickin' unbelievable and they deserve whatever happens to them AFAIC.


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    Jerry Sandusky evaluation will aid judge in sentencing

    http://www.centredaily.com/2012/06/2...valuation.html

    BELLEFONTE — Centre County Office of Probation workers soon will begin putting together Jerry Sandusky’s presentence investigation, a report that will aid the judge in sentencing the former Penn State defensive coach.

    Thomas Young, the office’s director, said the report will include information on the range of prison time that each count carries, charging documents such as the grand jury’s presentment, any restitution owed, any psychological or psychiatric reports, Sandusky’s version of events if he chooses to offer one, and statements from the victims if they choose to offer them.

    The office has 90 days to compile the presentence investigation report.
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    “I expect to see a majority of the young men who testified at trial present again at sentencing,” said Tom Kline, the Philadelphia attorney representing a 23-year-old man known as victim 5.

    “The commitment of the victims has been exemplar. I expect my client to participate in the sentencing phase.”

    Sandusky was also ordered to be evaluated by the state Sexual Offenders Assessment Board to determine if he’s a sexually violent predator.

    Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/06/2...#storylink=cpy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    What gets me is that these 3 men all knew about 1998 and 2001, and Paterno we know knew about 2001 and maybe 1998, but until 2009, I believe, when Sandusky found out he was being investigated, for 8 years, they still saw him around boys at the school, the hotels, the games, even out of state games, and never stopped to think what was going on, never asked, never got involved again, knowing what they knew about him.
    I don't know if Curley knew about 1998 in 1998. He knew about by 2001. Paterno obviously knew about 2001, and knew that Sandusky was involved in a children's charity. And if Raykovitz knew, my God!

    How many failures were there?


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    "As The Second Mile’s CEO Jack Raykovitz testified to the grand jury, he was informed in 2002 by Pennsylvania State University Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Mr. Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Jerry Sandusky in the locker room shower with a youth. Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing. At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the grand jury report."
    Second Mile's Press release
    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ses_a_sta.html
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    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/09/0.../why-july.html

    I wrote that blog last September. I'm wondering if we'll see some additional fireworks this July.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post
    "As The Second Mile’s CEO Jack Raykovitz testified to the grand jury, he was informed in 2002 by Pennsylvania State University Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Mr. Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Jerry Sandusky in the locker room shower with a youth. Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing. At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the grand jury report."
    Second Mile's Press release
    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...ses_a_sta.html
    Nov 7, 2011
    Well, that could be all that was reported. "No wrongdoing" is the key.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    http://www.centredaily.com/2011/09/0.../why-july.html

    I wrote that blog last September. I'm wondering if we'll see some additional fireworks this July.
    Isn't there a grand jury meeting right now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
    Isn't there a grand jury meeting right now?
    They are still in session.

    I'm sort of expecting something on TSM (Courtney) or Spanier.

    I really am not sure of the extent that they are investigating Gricar. They obviously were looking at his 1998 decision, but they may have looked and found no illegality.


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    “The man who served as attorney for both Penn State and The Second Mile said that, contrary to a state grand jury report, he was never aware of a 1998 investigation into possible allegations of sexual misconduct by Jerry Sandusky.

    State College lawyer Wendell Courtney said he also never knew that then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary had told former Nittany Lions head football coach Joe Paterno about witnessing Sandusky allegedly sexually assault a boy in a Penn State shower in 2002. Paterno, according to the grand jury, in turn notified Athletic Director Tim Curley. Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business, spoke with McQueary one week later.

    Courtney served as counsel for Penn State from the time he passed the bar in 1980 until 2008, all while working with the McQuaide Blasko law firm. He said in an interview he never was asked by Penn State whether police should be notified about any allegations of sexual abuse involving Sandusky.
    “Had I ever been asked, my response would have been, ‘Absolutely and immediately,’ ” Courtney said. “Had I ever had any inkling that Sandusky was engaging in behavior with children that was even remotely improper, nothing on God’s green earth would have kept me from making certain that the allegations were reported to the police authorities and thoroughly investigated.” According to the grand jury presentment: “Schultz testified that the 1998 incident was reviewed by university police and ‘the child protection agency’ with the blessing of then-university counsel Wendell Courtney. Courtney was then and remains counsel for The Second Mile.” Courtney also disputes the last sentence, saying he did not begin work for The Second Mile until April 2009.”

    So who was the lawyer who billed for consulting at the “three hour meeting” in 2001?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StellarsJay View Post

    So who was the lawyer who billed for consulting at the “three hour meeting” in 2001?
    Could it be Cynthia Baldwin?


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