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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I don't like to make judgments without evidence, but there is now evidence that Paterno did the follow up, and it was a recommendation not to go to C&YS or DPW.
    Am I being stupid?

    Because if I am interpreting today's news stories correctly, they strongly suggest that JP quashed his higher-ups' instincts to do the right thing by reporting JS's activities to the Second Mile and child welfare authorities.

    How does that equate to JP doing the follow up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I don't like to make judgments without evidence, but there is now evidence that Paterno did the follow up, and it was a recommendation not to go to C&YS or DPW.
    Just flabbergasting, J. J.!

    I criticized Paterno because he did not report directly to police or CPS after the report from MM, because the way I read Pa. reporting law, he had that responsibility. After that was shown incorrect, I still criticized him for not reporting as a moral duty to protect the children, and because of his high stature and influence. Even considered some of the excuses given for his not having done so...but being from Fl. and not used to 'gothic PA', I still considered it a failing that he did not 'follow up', as did a lot of others.

    But, I have to admit, never did I conceive that he would be the force behind a conspiracy to not report the abuse and to cover up for JS, to not regard how this would affect the boy and other children at risk, or even the school if it was discovered.

    How could a man who preached 'doing the right thing' let himself even consider this decision for any reason? (not really a question)


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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Am I being stupid?

    Because if I am interpreting today's news stories correctly, they strongly suggest that JP quashed his higher-ups' instincts to do the right thing by reporting JS's activities to the Second Mile and child welfare authorities.

    How does that equate to JP doing the follow up?
    I think, if I read JJ correctly, he means that the follow-up JP did was that he quashed a follow up with C&YS and DPW. In other words, JJ is acknowledging that there is now evidence that Paterno did not do the right thing by the children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Am I being stupid?

    Because if I am interpreting today's news stories correctly, they strongly suggest that JP quashed his higher-ups' instincts to do the right thing by reporting JS's activities to the Second Mile and child welfare authorities.

    How does that equate to JP doing the follow up?
    My understanding of the emails was Curley had a 3 step plan in place (1. Talk to JS; 2. Report it to 2nd Mile; 3. Report it to authorities). However, after Schultz (and Curley?) spoke with Joe, they decided to do nothing. Hence, the thought would be Joe persuaded them to keep it "in house" and not go further with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reader View Post
    Just flabbergasting, J. J.!

    I criticized Paterno because he did not report directly to police or CPS after the report from MM, because the way I read Pa. reporting law, he had that responsibility. After that was shown incorrect, I still criticized him for not reporting as a moral duty to protect the children, and because of his high stature and influence. Even considered some of the excuses given for his not having done so...but being from Fl. and not used to 'gothic PA', I still considered it a failing that he did not 'follow up', as did a lot of others.

    But, I have to admit, never did I conceive that he would be the force behind a conspiracy to not report the abuse and to cover up for JS, to not regard how this would affect the boy and other children at risk, or even the school if it was discovered.

    How could a man who preached 'doing the right thing' let himself even consider this decision for any reason? (not really a question)
    I have to say I'm really not surprised. To me it's always seemed that the "higher ups" were probably taking direction from Paterno, not the other way around.

    And we sort of knew there had to be a conspiracy of some kind involving Paterno, since McQueary got a job and Jerry was still around campus involved with Second Mile and getting tickets to take boys to games with him. It always smelled like a cover-up, but with this new information it seems worse.

    My only problem is that now J.J. and I don't have anything to argue about. Just kidding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Bah. (Not intended at you, WFGODOT, just jumping off from your post).

    IMO the NCAA has about as much credibility as that man behind the curtain that Dorothy wasn't supposed to pay any attention to.

    It only now butts in after the conviction?

    Again I say bah.
    Honestly, I don't think the NCAA will anything to Penn State, unless the Freeh report uncovers NCAA violations. I really don't think they will touch the Sandusky stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    The stupid thing is, imo, that if they had just called LE and reported Sandusky from the start, it would have been over and done with, no huge taint of shame to take Penn. State down at all. Pathetic decisions all the way around.

    Yes. This gets to the heart of the matter. It seems that's exactly what the administrators were inclined to do when they were just talking to each other about the problem. They were going to do the right thing, for whatever reason, it doesnt matter. IMO because they realized the potential liability they might face if they did the wrong thing, but it doesn't matter why. Fact is they were going to come clean, report jer and get right with the law.

    Then spannier talked to. Joe. You know, the old man who had never heard of a man havin sex with a boy---not to mention, raping a boy in the Penn state showers.

    And that was the end of it. Joe squashed everything.

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    Th absolute power. It corrupts absolutely, to borrow an over used cliche.
    IF I PUT IT HERE ITS MY OPINION. apparently i have no idea when i need to say that in a post, so this should cover it....IN MY OPINION anyways,

    welcome to the gates of hell JVDS.




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    Here's a repeat of the link to the Vicky Triponey vs Paterno story.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-triponey.html
    I have no surprise at all that Paterno was the core validator of an instinctive desire to make Sandusky mess go away. His "I don't know about man-boy sex" was such a blatant lie, that I've never believed he was honest.
    Somewhere I read that Spanier describes himself as an abused child- how could he ignore others?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoughtFox View Post
    I have to say I'm really not surprised. To me it's always seemed that the "higher ups" were probably taking direction from Paterno, not the other way around.

    And we sort of knew there had to be a conspiracy of some kind involving Paterno, since McQueary got a job and Jerry was still around campus involved with Second Mile and getting tickets to take boys to games with him. It always smelled like a cover-up, but with this new information it seems worse.

    My only problem is that now J.J. and I don't have anything to argue about. Just kidding!
    Well, I'm still not convinced that Paterno knew about 1998 (though it is clear Curley did in 2001 and that Schultz did in 1998), or that McQueary's career development had anything to do with 2001 (I think the timing is against it).

    I don't move without evidence, but, unless Curley decided to lie on that one detail in private e-mails in 2001 (and there is no apparent reason for it), Paterno was involved after he reported and encouraged not reporting Sandusky to LE.

    That is damning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Am I being stupid?

    Because if I am interpreting today's news stories correctly, they strongly suggest that JP quashed his higher-ups' instincts to do the right thing by reporting JS's activities to the Second Mile and child welfare authorities.

    How does that equate to JP doing the follow up?
    I had been mildly critical of Paterno for not checking with Curley and Spanier after the 2001 incident was reported and checking to see if there was a proper investigation; I'd often ask if he would have gotten a straight answer.

    Now it turns out that Paterno did talk with Curley, after the fact, according to that e-mail. The "followup" that he did was suggesting that it not be reported to LE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Bah. (Not intended at you, WFGODOT, just jumping off from your post).

    IMO the NCAA has about as much credibility as that man behind the curtain that Dorothy wasn't supposed to pay any attention to.

    It only now butts in after the conviction?

    Again I say bah.

    (and O/T, I can't believe I just now figured out what WFGODOT refers to. And my degree is in English!
    the ncaa sent the letter in November, iirc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrownRice View Post
    My understanding of the emails was Curley had a 3 step plan in place (1. Talk to JS; 2. Report it to 2nd Mile; 3. Report it to authorities). However, after Schultz (and Curley?) spoke with Joe, they decided to do nothing. Hence, the thought would be Joe persuaded them to keep it "in house" and not go further with it.
    OK, if that's what J.J. meant, then I was being dumb. I interpreted J. J. as saying Curley, not Paterno, was the driving force behind changing the plan.
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