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    CT - Hartford, WhtFem UP8909, 18-30, JNHS 1917 Class Ring, May'74

    I ran across this NamUs Casefile and had not seen it before. There are some interesting clues shown in the images section:

    NamUs UP # 8909 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/8909



    Unidentified White Female
    Found May 30, 1974 in Hartford Connecticut

    Vital Stats
    Age 18 - 30 years
    Weight (pounds) Cannot Estimate
    Height (inches) Cannot Estimate

    Condition
    Body Parts Inventory: Skull only
    Body condition: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton

    Clothing and Accessories
    tan leather "wet look" vest, gold/tan sweater, brown tweed skirt, Brown Grannie Boots, Yellow Rain Coat, Lady Clairol Roller set,


    Jewelry: Class-like ring with letters JNHS (or JHNS) 1917 and ILN above initials observed on side.

    Circumstances of death
    Found in a wooded area wrappped in a blanket. Had been known to have been driving around in a 1964 Green Oldsmobile with either MA or ME plates Vehicle was found dumped in Hartford with a ME inspection sticker.

    She was last seen with escaped fugitive Gustavous Lee Carmichael.

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    Dental Comments: No maxilla due to gun shot. #30 has two separate occlusal amalgams. #17 is mesially inclined
    DNA: Not Available
    Last edited by Kimster; 12-22-2013 at 12:06 PM. Reason: featured cold case from 12/22/2013 to 12/29/2013


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    When I first saw this, I immediately thought of Lynn Catherine Schulze



    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...lze_lynne.html

    Anyone think this sounds plausible that she would be hanging out with an escaped fugitive? Perhaps she was held prisoner.

    Obviously the ring with the 1917 grad year on it did not belong to the Jane Doe. It might have been an heirloom.
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    I found this newspaper article detailing the murder trial against Donald DeFreitas. DeFreitas was accused of murdering Carmichael and the Jane Doe, and the two bodies were found behind DeFreitas' home.

    The murder allegedly occurred on December 31, 1970. If that's true, it would rule-out Lynn Schulze.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5049,1396095
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    Ilonka Cann resembles the Jane Doe somewhat.


    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cann_ilonka.html

    Any chance that she would leave a husband and child to hang-out with Carmichael?
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    ... So does Helen Frost



    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/254dfbc.html

    ... but Vancouver is a long way from Hartford CT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    ...

    Obviously the ring with the 1917 grad year on it did not belong to the Jane Doe. It might have been an heirloom.
    BBM. JNHS could be J_____ N______ High School. I looked at Junior National Honor Society, but that began in 1921. Also...if she was hanging out with or captive with a fugitive, it is possible the ring was just an item stolen during a robbery, etc.

    I also looked at the phone numbers on the phone bills from the link provided. Is there anyway to trace those? Just curious.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 07-04-2012 at 07:53 PM. Reason: Removing info about Schulze

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    Saint John Neumann High School?

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    I found an article about Gustavous' body being pulled out of a swamp along with an unidentified female body. This article states that she had red hair:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=1390,212981

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    I'm a little surprised at the lack of info on NamUs. Found an article that has more vital stats for the female:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...vcZNNuUYx4To2g

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    Quote Originally Posted by taramarie View Post
    I found an article about Gustavous' body being pulled out of a swamp along with an unidentified female body. This article states that she had red hair:

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=1390,212981
    Quote Originally Posted by CCJD View Post
    I'm a little surprised at the lack of info on NamUs. Found an article that has more vital stats for the female:
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...vcZNNuUYx4To2g
    Compiling the key info regarding the woman from the two articles:

    Age: 20's according to one article, 25-30 according to the other.
    Height: About 5'1" according to one article; 5'4" to 5'5" according to the other.
    Weight: About 110-115 lbs. according to one article, 100-110, according to the other.
    Hair: Red or Brownish Red
    Other Info: She was believed to have lived in the New York City area. May have relatives in Tennessee, West Virginia, or the Carolinas.

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    I noticed several phone calls made to numbers in Pennsylvania on the phone logs. I think Patricia Jane Seelbaugh bears a resemblance. The hair length and color on the unidentified remains is unknown.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3009dfpa.html

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Patricia was last seen on Friday, October 26, 1973 in the company of friends at the Barkeyville truck stop in Barkeyville, PA. The truck stop is located off of Interstate 80 just east of Interstate 79.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Harmony2 View Post
    I noticed several phone calls made to numbers in Pennsylvania on the phone logs. I think Patricia Jane Seelbaugh bears a resemblance. The hair length and color on the unidentified remains is unknown.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3009dfpa.html

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Patricia was last seen on Friday, October 26, 1973 in the company of friends at the Barkeyville truck stop in Barkeyville, PA. The truck stop is located off of Interstate 80 just east of Interstate 79.


    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I found this newspaper article detailing the murder trial against Donald DeFreitas. DeFreitas was accused of murdering Carmichael and the Jane Doe, and the two bodies were found behind DeFreitas' home.

    The murder allegedly occurred on December 31, 1970. If that's true, it would rule-out Lynn Schulze.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5049,1396095
    If the December 31, 1970 murder date is correct (as alleged in DeFreitas' trial), then it could not be Patricia.

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    the only high school I found with those letters is Jim Ned HS in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I found this newspaper article detailing the murder trial against Donald DeFreitas. DeFreitas was accused of murdering Carmichael and the Jane Doe, and the two bodies were found behind DeFreitas' home.

    The murder allegedly occurred on December 31, 1970. If that's true, it would rule-out Lynn Schulze.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5049,1396095
    I was working on my post and researching so I didn't see alot of the information being posted. Patricia Jane Seelbaugh would also be ruled out if the murder occurred on December 31, 1970.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    the only high school I found with those letters is Jim Ned HS in Texas.
    ... but the school wasn't named Jim Ned High School until 1957. Prior to 1957, it was called South Taylor High School, and before 1948, it was Tuscola High School.

    jimned.region14.net/webs/jnhome/history.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by FrayedKnot View Post
    Saint John Neumann High School?
    St. John Neumann HS was founded in 1980.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Joh...es,_Florida%29

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    maybe it's not a high school at all but the Junior National Honor Society. strange they'd make a big deal of that and make a ring for it.

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    St. John Neumann HS was founded in 1980.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Joh...es,_Florida%29
    ... That's the one in Naples FL.

    The John Neumann Regional Academy HS in Williamsport PA has been there for 130 years.

    http://www.sjnra.org/index.php


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    Any chance the red hair is colored from the elements? For example there are 'bog bodies ' in Ireland of people that are completely preserved from hundreds upon hundreds of years ago but their skin is tanned and hair red because of the chemical makeup in the peat. Just throwing it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    the only high school I found with those letters is Jim Ned HS in Texas.
    Wow. Good Job. Jim Ned HS consolidated in 1957...before it was 31 small schools.

    The only other thing I could think was perhaps...It was some strange popular ring design...where certain things were "backwards". If that was the case...NJ...New Jersey High School. Class of 1971? I can imagine a strange fad of mirror like or reverse images. I guess...if we could see the pictures reaslly well on the ring...to see if it is dated. But...the lettering on it looks pretty dated...1917 seems about right.

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    it is possible there was a smaller HS called Jim Ned before they consolidated but they would have been tiny schools.

    the N might stand for North so any town back in 1917 that had a north and south HS could be in the running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    maybe it's not a high school at all but the Junior National Honor Society. strange they'd make a big deal of that and make a ring for it.
    National Honor society was established in 1921. JNHS was started in 1929...

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Honor_Society"]National Honor Society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    it is possible there was a smaller HS called Jim Ned before they consolidated but they would have been tiny schools.

    the N might stand for North so any town back in 1917 that had a north and south HS could be in the running.
    This is what I found on Jim Ned HS... http://www.jimned.esc14.net/preview....=historyjimned

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    The only thing I could think of with the ring was perhaps it was a momento or something taken by the fugitive she was with. It is possible they were engaging in petty theft or home robbery to get money. So...the ring could be a item stolen. Perhaps, she wore it in a wedding ring fashion to make them seem like a married couple...

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    This might be it - the description at the Namus profile says this:

    The letters are J H N S or J N H S


    so it could be the Johns Hopkins Nursing School or Johns Hopkins School of Nursing (depending on how one reads the fancy letters)


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    if I am not mistaken, here is the class of 1917 from the Johns Hopkins School of Nursing. the women are named but I have no idea what order they appear:



    [ame="http://www.flickr.com/photos/medical_archives/4686088540/"][Church Home and Hospital School of Nursing, class of 1917] | Flickr - Photo Sharing![/ame]

    ETA: trying to fix the link

    once you view the picture it says it is the property of Johns Hopkins Medical Archives so I don't want any problems posting the link.

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