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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    I don't know, and though I know people who knew him (and, actually, a good friend of mine knows those people much better than I), I can't exactly start asking them questions like that. There is a connection there, though, not with pickups or SUVs precisely.
    That referred to the car question. This unsub would drive an American made pickup or SUV, more likely a pickup because the timeline originally indicating some work in landscaping and/or construction.

    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Can you explain that, I'm really not as familiar with the nature of those calls as I should be. I asked my contact if those calls had been recorded and, if so, if they're being played to people who knew whatever suspects the police were coming up with, and he guessed they were.
    He made a number of phone calls to Melissa Barthelmy's sister and her bf/pimp, made some stories up what he did sexually to her sister and so on. But the recurring line appears to be always this thing about where her lifestyle had brought Melissa and where Amanda's lifestyle would bring her. That's a thinking pattern that is often (but not exclusively) ingrained with some kind of at least half religious upbringing. And get me right here, religious includes Christian, but also Muslim or Jewish. Those religions all share this sometimes overly pious disgust for prostitutes. The other thing they share is the use of burlap and hair shirts as a tool for penance and punishment for vanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean62185 View Post
    I am interested in the foot note. Does that mean the killer is short or maybe even an ectomorph? Needing to find small women because they would be easier to over power? Also how would the height of the women effect the motive of the killer? Also, I remember before, you thought the killer was black basically because the victims were so different, other than being white, the appear to have nothing in common.. except they were escorts, white and apparently short women. Does the height effect that theory? Do you still believe he is black?
    Sean, I can't be 100% certain at this point. There is still some variety in height. Now, smaller victims means at first, lighter bodies. He wouldn't need so long arms and that much strength to lift them for example from a truck bed and carry them into those brushes. This reduces his minimum height by a little. On the other hand, normally the small men go easier for the tall girls while the tall men often like the smaller girls. Or as my granddad, himself 6'2" worded it: "Take the small ones, those you can take under the arm and carry away in case of danger" (I admit, it loses in translation).
    Another aspect is, a victimology that wide but in ethnicity consistent and without any other thing in common, indicates an underlying racial motive. I've listed reference cases several times. However, with the appearance of another trait, they have in common, it can be, but it doesn't have to, that this is part of the selection scheme, or part of it as one of several factors. I mean, it can't be too hard to find petite prostitutes of other ethnicities in NYC? So the subject is not off the table, but the door for other options is open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    Note the article shows no indication that Megan was ever taken to New York or Brooklyn or lived anywhere but Maine where she was transported to Long Island. What am I missing?
    When Cruz was interviewed, he said, that MW lived in his place in the Bronx. Also mentioned in several articles and in 48 Hours, they visited LI about twice a months for "serving" the LI customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by :+:MrTT:+: View Post
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...tim-of/1148049

    Last week, authorities identified one of the victims: Megan Waterman from Scarborough, Maine. Two others along with Costello were identified Monday as Maureen Brainard-Barnes of Norwich, Conn., and Melissa Barthelemy of Erie County, N.Y.

    One from Maine, One from Conn. One from New york and one from Florida.


    What started out as a simply missing persons report. Turned into a methodical and calculating murder after they were discovered wrapped in burlap on a beach.


    Jessica Taylor

    And I took a peak at the others found. I wont say for sure she is connected to the 4. But just from looking at her photo and being about a mile east from the 4 she may be related even though she was dismembered. I am just staying concentrated on the four in burlap, but just wanted to through this out there now for a future discussion if we end up going that way for one reason or the other.

    Jessica Taylor (and the other dismembered victims), you can find in the Manorville Butcher thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    We already have a thread for just the GB4. Is there some reason we've started another one?
    Because this is "GB4 ONLY" to make sure, it's not taken over by the SG foul play and thus give an opportunity to discuss the GB4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    I'd like to apologize to Mr. Brendt for hijacking his thread!
    No worries, a POI for the GB4 murders certainly fits the subject of a "GB4 only" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Because this is "GB4 ONLY" to make sure, it's not taken over by the SG foul play and thus give an opportunity to discuss the GB4.
    Exactly! And We don't have a GB-4 only thread (yet it seems like this one already is being hijacked).

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    I think this would help the search for the perp, but would utterly destroy any chance for a conviction. Its not what you know, its what you can prove. If you have a positive voice lineup where MB's sister can positively ID the SK, that's powerful evidence that can be used against the perp. Without any DNA or eyewitnesses, the killer's voice is perhaps the only evidence that we've got. Releasing this would destroy any opportunity for a voice lineup. In this case, we don't have any other evidence like floppy disks, etc. At least not that we're aware of.
    Of course, I'm not sure, which of the following list was already messed up by SCPD, but technically:

    • Traffic cam tapes would show him in the time frame of 72 hours after the disappearance of each victim show entering the islands (passing the causeway) and about two hours later on the way back.
    • Traffic cams would also show him around May 15th of each year and probably around Sept. 30th of each year on the same trip.
    • He would also have drawn (or should have) for occasionally rolling along slow the expressway near to the dump site.
    • Since he is probably still killing and has just a new dump site, not far from the old one, his vehicle could still hold forensic evidence like DNA traces from victims later Amber Lynn Costello.
    • He would have a place either in the outskirts of NYC or LI near NYC, not too far from the Expressway out to the islands, which he uses as kill site. Witnesses would have mentioned he can get pretty upset if someone steps in there.
    • In this place, in a box, a shelf or hidden behind a little drywall, from the entrance seen on the left, there would be a small bag or chest with his souvenirs. Those souvenirs would include maybe jewelry and IDs of the victims but most likely cell phones and stills or video of the act of killing and if he found any way to be in this pictures during the kill, he will be in there.
    • LE didn't release it, but I doubt, the victims were manually strangled. So somewhere would be a cord or belt in this kill site which still holds DNA traces in form of skin cells of several victims.
    • Witnesses would maybe also noticed him to have burned "something" and in the back of his kill site or another place he owns, forensics will find remains of ashes from burned clothes.


    And that's only what comes to my mind on the top of my head. IF they get him, it wouldn't be hard to make a case at all, especially, since there is a good chance, he will talk anyway. The world needs to know his story, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Geez, would they be easier to interest, and do they even have any jurisdiction if no federal investigation has been launched? Probably my "plan", as of right now, it to get back to my contact if some period of time elapses without hearing anything, and try to get his guidance on any next steps. Off-topic, and not to be too "interior", but part of this process for me, over the last few weeks, has been trying to understand what my own motivations might be here, trying to figure out what keeps drawing me to search down obscure avenues to answer questions that only I'm asking. As I get to "know" the POI better, I almost "relate" to him in some way - not to the awfulness of his crimes, of course, but to the ups and downs of his life outside of that; my ex-wife, who has read lots of mysteries, says that's common! What I've pretty much come up with in terms of why I'm spending time on this, besides the obvious altruistic goal of helping to bring closure to the families of victims, is that I'm looking to vindicate myself for sitting on my butt for over a year with too much time on my hands; I'm suing my ex-employer (and believe me, I'll win, and they deserve to lose), and it's been difficult finding new employment while that process goes on. It's somewhat distressing to think I'd like to somehow see myself lauded for helping to solve something so nasty and brutish, and I try to keep perspective on that by my full knowledge that, if ever interviewed, I'd just stammer and stare at the camera like a dolt.
    Once again your story is interesting but off-topic. Maybe start a new discussion topic or move it over here;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    ...overly pious disgust for prostitutes.
    Although I'm unfamiliar with general SK profiles, I can certainly understand how a person who's been indoctrinated with severe dogma may wind up sexually repressed and scornful towards those who flaunt their sexuality. I wonder if there could also be a different kind of SK, though, almost of an opposite nature outwardly than the repressed SK, one who through behavior and occupational choices actively promotes amorality, yet also harbors resentment to women in general; publicly he might seem to be almost celebrating women with uninhibited natures, but privately he objectifies and demeans them (and, potentially, does worse than that). Maybe that type of killer would be an "organized" one, able to efficiently compartmentalize his dual natures so that he can continue to function. And, in that example, perhaps a flash-point for him might be some deep-seated conflict he has about his mother, a conflict he doesn't understand and which tears away at him, and from which he finds some short-term relief through killing. I'd think that if that "type" of SK exists, he could be hard to spot (and catch).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    [*]Traffic cam tapes would show him...
    Covered elsewhere I"m sure but, besides the different schedules that an owner of a home on Oak Beach or along Captree could keep without necessarily appearing on those cam tapes at expected times, what would prevent a boat from making the trip from anywhere along the mainland from, say, Lindenhurst to Bay Shore? It's a short trip, Great South Bay is shallow and usually calm - even a small boat would have no problem with it. Is the impediment that it's unrealistic that bodies could be dragged from the Gilgo (bayside) shore to where they were found?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Although I'm unfamiliar with general SK profiles, I can certainly understand how a person who's been indoctrinated with severe dogma may wind up sexually repressed and scornful towards those who flaunt their sexuality. I wonder if there could also be a different kind of SK, though, almost of an opposite nature outwardly than the repressed SK, one who through behavior and occupational choices actively promotes amorality, yet also harbors resentment to women in general; publicly he might seem to be almost celebrating women with uninhibited natures, but privately he objectifies and demeans them (and, potentially, does worse than that). Maybe that type of killer would be an "organized" one, able to efficiently compartmentalize his dual natures so that he can continue to function. And, in that example, perhaps a flash-point for him might be some deep-seated conflict he has about his mother, a conflict he doesn't understand and which tears away at him, and from which he finds some short-term relief through killing. I'd think that if that "type" of SK exists, he could be hard to spot (and catch).
    Well, in fact, a lot of them has been caught. This description fits for example Bundy (as half-organized variant) or Ridgway (as low organized variant). It's not too rare, kind of garden variety sexual psychopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Covered elsewhere I"m sure but, besides the different schedules that an owner of a home on Oak Beach or along Captree could keep without necessarily appearing on those cam tapes at expected times, what would prevent a boat from making the trip from anywhere along the mainland from, say, Lindenhurst to Bay Shore? It's a short trip, Great South Bay is shallow and usually calm - even a small boat would have no problem with it. Is the impediment that it's unrealistic that bodies could be dragged from the Gilgo (bayside) shore to where they were found?
    If he would have a boat (and keep in mind, money doesn't necessarily mean to be able to use a boat), he would have sunk the bodies off the beach somewhere. His dump site is a drive-by type, means, any defined spot in the ocean would serve as well. Unless the SK has no boat or is for example plagued enough by seasickness to not enjoy those revisits at sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    His dump site is a drive-by type, means, any defined spot in the ocean would serve as well.
    The idea that the SK wanted the bodies found, is that off the table?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    The idea that the SK wanted the bodies found, is that off the table?
    For LISK, as far as I'm concerned, yes, it's off the table. Manorville is a different story.
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