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    I think it got established in these threads on this forum that Amber Costello refused to meet with this guy a few weeks before she finally agreed to. So she had the "creep factor" (MOO) going with him. He also called her three times that day before she agreed to meet with him, despite any "creep factor" (IMO) she felt.

    Part of it was the $1,500 he promised her, and maybe part of it was the promise of drugs (MOO) but I'm still stuck on WHAT he could have said to her that would convince her to leave without her cell phone. She was dressed in jeans and a hoodie and left at 10:30 pm, so she wasn't expecting some fancy soiree (IMO). Short of an event that was celebrity filled or politically filled, what could have been said to her to leave her phone behind????

    ETA: Any ideas about this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajay View Post
    I think it got established in these threads on this forum that Amber Costello refused to meet with this guy a few weeks before she finally agreed to. So she had the "creep factor" (MOO) going with him. He also called her three times that day before she agreed to meet with him, despite any "creep factor" (IMO) she felt.

    Part of it was the $1,500 he promised her, and maybe part of it was the promise of drugs (MOO) but I'm still stuck on WHAT he could have said to her that would convince her to leave without her cell phone. She was dressed in jeans and a hoodie and left at 10:30 pm, so she wasn't expecting some fancy soiree (IMO). Short of an event that was celebrity filled or politically filled, what could have been said to her to leave her phone behind????

    ETA: Any ideas about this??
    The first problem is, we only have David Schaller's word for that and when he described that for the first time, I think, the statement of Akeem Cruz in the Megan Waterman case was already in the media.
    The second problem is, it appears as if Amber Lynn Costello had no cell phone. The one in her name was usually handled by David Schaller, who made the appointments for her. Which essentially is the same situation, I would also expect in the case of Megan Waterman.
    See, what is the problem of a pimp, whose girls get killed? Reputation loss. It makes it harder to replace those girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    The idea that the SK wanted the bodies found, is that off the table?
    Just another question: We don't talk here about a guy with a certain affinity to aquariums and fish tanks? Because if so, we went through this rumor mill already a while ago. Just to make sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Just another question: We don't talk here about a guy with a certain affinity to aquariums and fish tanks? Because if so, we went through this rumor mill already a while ago. Just to make sure!
    Egads, no; I was familiar with that particular story a few weeks back, probably on the first day I started looking into who was being touted as potential suspects. The only place I've found where my POI was implicated was a blogger's guess that my POI is the SK, which I ran across within a half hour of starting searches. And, since I forwarded that link to my contact (who, in turn, forwarded it to LE), I'm waiting for a nasty email from that blogger, or to be roasted on his blog (it was an old entry and I doubt anyone else would have written him about it recently, so I'm sure he'd guess I was the blabbermouth). It does make me wonder that I haven't heard something from that blogger by now, as you'd think (or, at least, I'd think) that LE could easily do the same thing I did, i.e. write him and ask what he's talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Egads, no; I was familiar with that particular story a few weeks back, probably on the first day I started looking into who was being touted as potential suspects. The only place I've found where my POI was implicated was a blogger's guess that my POI is the SK, which I ran across within a half hour of starting searches. And, since I forwarded that link to my contact (who, in turn, forwarded it to LE), I'm waiting for a nasty email from that blogger, or to be roasted on his blog (it was an old entry and I doubt anyone else would have written him about it recently, so I'm sure he'd guess I was the blabbermouth). It does make me wonder that I haven't heard something from that blogger by now, as you'd think (or, at least, I'd think) that LE could easily do the same thing I did, i.e. write him and ask what he's talking about.
    Thanks, just wanted to make sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    I don't know if there are sex scene raves, but that doesn't mean there aren't. Merely that I don't know.
    The problem I have with the "homicidal john" theory is, it doesn't fit on any level. As soon, as you have two different last johns or one of the girls "off-duty", you need to construct a lot to hold upright that theory. For example, Maureen was last heard off from that bus terminal. To make the homicidal john happen, you need to construct, she decided, against what was already her outspoken intention, to take on another client. This client had to happen by chance a serial killer in the making, who has already developed a fully blown signature, which means, also his hunting behavior was fully developed ... only, this one night, he had to be for unknown reasons under way in a car to meet by chance Maureen. You see, how far this construction has to go to bring all four under one hat. So I don't believe in a homicidal john. And if it would be one, we would have heard since a while from other Craigslist escorts, who had this strange wannabe john, they rejected, the whole works as usual in similar cases.
    Thus, their appointment book wouldn't help us. However, you can bet on him making video or stills not only while killing them but also before.
    BBM

    ... and another girl was last heard from when she was at the hotel along the same stretch of road as another body. In fact, two women were last heard from at that hotel. There's no explanation for what happened to them other than one was picked up at the hotel and the other was picked up hitchhiking outside the hotel (perhaps she figured it out too late and accidentally stepped into a hitchhiking vehicle driven by the guy). Perhaps he asks them to phone him from public places just before he picks them up, kind of seduces them to cast caution to the wind and meet him (like the one that left her purse and cell phone at home), ... perhaps he promises to wine, dine and pamper them for life - sort of rags to riches tale. Perhaps he moved the abductions closer to home because he got away with it for so long, and then became more cautious and moved them away from home, again. Perhaps he experimented with a young family with one child - posing as a transvestite. Maybe the man in that scenario is someone he knew.

    I think he's homicidal and that he has presented himself as a "john", or even a transvestite, but I suspect that he's actually a sexual sadist with a strong sociopathic history that schemes to trap women and torment them for as long as it pleases him. His "anonymous calls" from highly populated areas in NYC are like the last calls from the call-girls - populated places (like hotels and bus terminals) and no way to remember one person from another.

    One person ... but probably one that has a normal routine and isn't even suspected. I think he's probably educated and smooth with a convincing voice and caring demeanor. I think he's a con man with sociopathic tendencies ... his friends probably see him for who he is, but assume that he's harmless and wouldn't challenge him without care (possible position of authority).

    One of the sisters had to endure a description of everything he did to her, called from the sister's cell phone (something like 7-8 calls in total) ... which leads me to believe that there is a sexual toture component.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
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    ... and another girl was last heard from when she was at the hotel along the same stretch of road as another body. In fact, two women were last heard from at that hotel. There's no explanation for what happened to them other than one was picked up at the hotel and the other was picked up hitchhiking outside the hotel (perhaps she figured it out too late and accidentally stepped into a hitchhiking vehicle driven by the guy). Perhaps he asks them to phone him from public places just before he picks them up, kind of seduces them to cast caution to the wind and meet him (like the one that left her purse and cell phone at home), ... perhaps he promises to wine, dine and pamper them for life - sort of rags to riches tale. Perhaps he moved the abductions closer to home because he got away with it for so long, and then became more cautious and moved them away from home, again. Perhaps he experimented with a young family with one child - posing as a transvestite. Maybe the man in that scenario is someone he knew.

    I think he's homicidal and that he has presented himself as a "john", or even a transvestite, but I suspect that he's actually a sexual sadist with a strong sociopathic history that schemes to trap women and torment them for as long as it pleases him. His "anonymous calls" from highly populated areas in NYC are like the last calls from the call-girls - populated places (like hotels and bus terminals) and no way to remember one person from another.

    One person ... but probably one that has a normal routine and isn't even suspected. I think he's probably educated and smooth with a convincing voice and caring demeanor. I think he's a con man with sociopathic tendencies ... his friends probably see him for who he is, but assume that he's harmless and wouldn't challenge him without care (possible position of authority).

    Just my 2 cents.
    I'm not sure, but this sounds as if you mean psychopath every time, you say sociopath. And of course, a position of power or authority in the area would mean, he would be there all year - which is contradictory to the concentration of the known murders in the summer months. If he would be there all year, there would be more bodies and all around the year.
    By the way, you are aware, that Holiday Inn in Hauppauge has at least a fifteen year history as operation base for prostitutes serving customers in the Long Island area? So a certain fluctuation is inevitable. And to hope LISK gets sloppy is exactly that, mere hope. He is meticulous, he thinks things through. Because that is, how he has organized his life, not only his murders. He is well aware, he got away because he is smarter than SCPD. So the last thing he is doing now, is to relax. Because he considers his qualities of thinking things through as the reason, he is smarter. His way of thinking is what gives him his arrogance, what he is proud of. So why give that up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    I'm not sure, but this sounds as if you mean psychopath every time, you say sociopath. And of course, a position of power or authority in the area would mean, he would be there all year - which is contradictory to the concentration of the known murders in the summer months. If he would be there all year, there would be more bodies and all around the year.

    By the way, you are aware, that Holiday Inn in Hauppauge has at least a fifteen year history as operation base for prostitutes serving customers in the Long Island area? So a certain fluctuation is inevitable. And to hope LISK gets sloppy is exactly that, mere hope. He is meticulous, he thinks things through. Because that is, how he has organized his life, not only his murders. He is well aware, he got away because he is smarter than SCPD. So the last thing he is doing now, is to relax. Because he considers his qualities of thinking things through as the reason, he is smarter. His way of thinking is what gives him his arrogance, what he is proud of. So why give that up?
    I mean sociopath. There's a film called The Vanishing. It's by a Dutch film producer (don't waste your time with the US version) and portrays the sociopath that I mean. The psychopath is typically publically violent, not a man in power. Men in power can be sociopaths. They are cruel, but they succeed in management. I think the perp here is a sociopath that conducts a normal life around his obsession with torturing victims.

    Sociopath and psychopath were put under the same umbrella of antisocial personality disorder about 15 years ago, but in my mind, they are still separate.

    A position of power and authoriity does not mean that LI is his primary home, only that he has ties to the area ... just like he apparently has ties to NYC.

    I suggest that he moved the murders close to home only for a short time, and the last body to be discovered - 1-300 yards from the road - was an urgent decision, not a planeed one. I think he got too close to being caught more than once. I think he enoys a bohemian lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    I mean sociopath. There's a film called The Vanishing. It's by a Dutch film producer (don't waste your time with the US version) and portrays the sociopath that I mean. The psychopath is typically publically violent, not a man in power. Men in power can be sociopaths. They are cruel, but they succeed in management. I think the perp here is a sociopath that conducts a normal life around his obsession with torturing victims.

    Sociopath and psychopath were put under the same umbrella of antisocial personality disorder about 15 years ago, but in my mind, they are still separate.
    Well, at least the separation thing is a good thing. My problem is, a psychopath is fueled by rage and an feeling of entitlement while the sociopath is just emotionally distanced and has no emotional understanding of social behavior. So in a way,

    psychopath=sociopath+rage.

    The reason, why I thought, you meant actually psychopath is, those murders indicate underlying rage. Which is quite not the sociopath's but the psychopath's trait.

    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    A position of power and authoriity does not mean that LI is his primary home, only that he has ties to the area ... just like he apparently has ties to NYC.
    My problem is, to imagine, how would someone come in such a position if he is NOT there all the time. He would have to stay in the area just to keep up that position. So to me, being 8-9 months of the year not there and a position like that sounds contradictory.

    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    I suggest that he moved the murders close to home only for a short time, and the last body to be discovered - 1-300 yards from the road - was an urgent decision, not a planeed one. I think he got too close to being caught more than once. I think he enoys a bohemian lifestyle.
    What indicates to you, Amber Lynn Costello's murder wasn't planned? There are no differences as far as I followed the media. She was dropped there the same way as the other three, wrapped in burlap, about the same distance from the road. Unless you want to inject Shannan Gilbert here, but then you are in the wrong thread and we can ask a mod to move your posts in the SG threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Well, technically, since Megan was most of the time in NYC, I think, Bronx too and she and Cruz visited LI only twice a month (as in about all two weeks) to meet with clients, it's more like 62.5% or higher and if you calculate in Amber Lynn Costello lived basically in the middle between the LI scene on those islands and the club scene of Manhattan, it's probably at least 75% chance, the connection is NYC. The point, I don't know yet, is is it Bronx or rather Manhattan, the private club scene. Remember Megan offered femdom, that's an entirely different client profile than for the other three. The only place, they are near to each other appears to me the club area between Hell's Kitchen and 45th or 46th Street. Maureen. But then, I hesitate to send one of our locals to the whip clubs to sleuth around ...
    Peter you have sevral times claimed that Megan waterman offered "femdom" in her adds, and you seem to base some of your thories on that.
    May 30, 2012 I aske you to please provide some backup for this claim, which you have not done so far, not that I have been able to find anyway (and I have used the search function here on WS trying to find any back up on this issue from you, with no luck).

    The thing is, I have access to at least TWO of her ads, one with her picture, and in neither of thise adds MG offer any sexual services whatsoever that resemble "femdom".

    In hope you will now provide info/backup on where you found that "femdom" information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    Peter you have sevral times claimed that Megan waterman offered "femdom" in her adds, and you seem to base some of your thories on that.
    May 30, 2012 I aske you to please provide some backup for this claim, which you have not done so far, not that I have been able to find anyway (and I have used the search function here on WS trying to find any back up on this issue from you, with no luck).

    The thing is, I have access to at least TWO of her ads, one with her picture, and in neither of thise adds MG offer any sexual services whatsoever that resemble "femdom".

    In hope you will now provide info/backup on where you found that "femdom" information.
    As usual, I recommend, you read through the old threads, we played that out like a dozen times and I won't repeat this every time till the last article is deleted from the web. And the original links were posted about 18 months ago and not even from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    As usual, I recommend, you read through the old threads, we played that out like a dozen times and I won't repeat this every time till the last article is deleted from the web. And the original links were posted about 18 months ago and not even from me.

    As I posted:
    "I have used the search function here on WS trying to find any back up on this issue from you, with no luck"

    So I DID what you asked for, but there is nothing to be found on the
    "femdom" issue, NO link or quote ect that say that MG offered anything like "femdom". Try it yourself and you will see that Im correct.

    And I have to say that I find it odd that you so often think that those who ask you to back up your claims have to "read through the old threads" insted of you providing the backup.

    SO, I hope that you reconsider and search for that information since you apparently know that the info in question is to be found in " the old threads".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    As I posted:
    "I have used the search function here on WS trying to find any back up on this issue from you, with no luck"

    So I DID what you asked for, but there is nothing to be found on the
    "femdom" issue, NO link or quote ect that say that MG offered anything like "femdom". Try it yourself and you will see that Im correct.

    And I have to say that I find it odd that you so often think that those who ask you to back up your claims have to "read through the old threads" insted of you providing the backup.

    SO, I hope that you reconsider and search for that information since you apparently know that the info in question is to be found in " the old threads".
    Okay, I reconsider for the umpteenth time. But since you obviously didn't understand the meaning if "femdom" as in female domintaion, BDSM, I help you out. The original information I refer to is in the "possible victims" thread, posted by Redbird as post #9. There it says:

    July 12, 2009 MELISSA BATHELEMY DOD 7/12/2009 vanished from Bronx (Underhill Ave.) sitting on curb; apt w/5 cats(Sunday)/ got call from Massapequa. LI. Eight days after Melissa's disappearance, her sister, Amanda, began to receive calls, The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone.
    Mother said they received five more calls, the last one on August 26, 2009. Ms. Barthelemy saw a client and then deposited $900 into her bank, around the time she vanished, she checked her voice mail from Massapequa, L.I. July 10, 2009, she checked her voice mail from two motels in Massapequa, a Budget Inn and a Best Western.

    They traced a second phone that belonged to her to an ex-con who said he picked it up after a tussle between hookers in Times Square orchestrated by a pimp. Boyfriend Blaze, aka Terry, Escort Agency: James Bond Entertainment as Chloe I found a single ad for Melissa posting as chloe, under the one number. She advertised various services to include Domination/BDSM & Fetish/Role Play. She advertised as out call only, charging $100/15 min, $150 half hour, $250 hour, and $1000 overnight. Her pictures indicated she did car dates as well. Earlier that evening, the blond beauty told her boyfriend that she might be going to Long Island, a frequent haunt of hers. She regularly hung out there with a girlfriend who also worked as an online escort, as well as at the home of a regular client. Her boyfriend said he would oftentimes pick her up from the john's house. "She had some older man she was chummy with." Eight days after Melissa's disappearance, her sister, Amanda, began to receive calls, The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone.

    So, that's the original post to which I refer. If you doubt Redbird's information, I suggest, you ask the original poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    Peter you have sevral times claimed that Megan waterman offered "femdom" in her adds, and you seem to base some of your thories on that.
    May 30, 2012 I aske you to please provide some backup for this claim, which you have not done so far, not that I have been able to find anyway (and I have used the search function here on WS trying to find any back up on this issue from you, with no luck).

    The thing is, I have access to at least TWO of her ads, one with her picture, and in neither of thise adds MG offer any sexual services whatsoever that resemble "femdom".

    In hope you will now provide info/backup on where you found that "femdom" information.
    Every ad I've seen for Megan listed her as "vanilla", meaning a straight forward sexual experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Every ad I've seen for Megan listed her as "vanilla", meaning a straight forward sexual experience.
    Well, you COULD read the post right before your post ... that could have saved us the repeat.
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