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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Well, you COULD read the post right before your post ... that could have saved us the repeat.
    I did read it. Megan Waterman is not Melissa Barthelemy. Megan listed herself as vanilla. I respectfully suggest that YOU try to keep your names straight in order to avoid confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    I did read it. Megan Waterman is not Melissa Barthelemy. Megan listed herself as vanilla. I respectfully suggest that YOU try to keep your names straight in order to avoid confusion.
    So fine, you're right and the fact still stands, one had another kind of clientele. Thus the profile still stays intact.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    at mountain kat prove to me megan went by vanilla I know her name she used and it was not vanilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmaisflying View Post
    at mountain kat prove to me megan went by vanilla I know her name she used and it was not vanilla
    No no, I meant her services would be considered "vanilla", meaning a straight forward sexual experience. No bdsm or the like listed in her ads.

    As far as working names (verified by pics), the only ones I've been able to find are Lexy, Tiffany and Jasmine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    And to hope LISK gets sloppy is exactly that, mere hope. He is meticulous, he thinks things through. Because that is, how he has organized his life, not only his murders.
    Meticulous but also subject to missteps through his urges, and his own personal failings. The calls to MB's sister may have given him some sick jollies, but they were dangerous for him. I don't know if it's discredited or not, but the "Timeline for MB" page here states that MB's bf, Jonny Terry, received many calls as well, "probably from the killer", of whom Terry said "most of the time he seemed drunk". Regardless of whether the GB4 killer had killed others previously, I can see a scenario where, until late 2008 or so, he'd operated along the fringes of the world that sex workers live in - but where the workers led desperate lives, addled by drug abuse and mental illness, the SK calculatingly and efficiently exploited the workers for his own purposes. But come 2008 or so, for whatever reason, everything started to go off the rails for the SK, and he started using drugs after a long period of abstinence. Thus, of course, opening the door much wider to potential mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    Meticulous but also subject to missteps through his urges, and his own personal failings. The calls to MB's sister may have given him some sick jollies, but they were dangerous for him. I don't know if it's discredited or not, but the "Timeline for MB" page here states that MB's bf, Jonny Terry, received many calls as well, "probably from the killer", of whom Terry said "most of the time he seemed drunk". Regardless of whether the GB4 killer had killed others previously, I can see a scenario where, until late 2008 or so, he'd operated along the fringes of the world that sex workers live in - but where the workers led desperate lives, addled by drug abuse and mental illness, the SK calculatingly and efficiently exploited the workers for his own purposes. But come 2008 or so, for whatever reason, everything started to go off the rails for the SK, and he started using drugs after a long period of abstinence. Thus, of course, opening the door much wider to potential mistakes.
    I can't see any hints on a spiraling down in his behavior. His 2007 murder was technically flawless and left LE with almost nothing. No 2008 murder, 2009 is exactly the same as 2007 only the phone calls come to it. Which by all means were a show of control and deception and in 2010, he ramped up to 2 victims. This is basically consistent with most SKs relative early in their career. So, where is the hint of sudden drug abuse or anything out of control? I don't see it.
    Sometimes, being a squirrel can be a real nutjob!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    I can't see any hints on a spiraling down in his behavior. His 2007 murder was technically flawless and left LE with almost nothing. No 2008 murder, 2009 is exactly the same as 2007 only the phone calls come to it. Which by all means were a show of control and deception and in 2010, he ramped up to 2 victims. This is basically consistent with most SKs relative early in their career. So, where is the hint of sudden drug abuse or anything out of control? I don't see it.
    And to add to what Peter said I would suggest there would have been more murders if his dump site had not been found and spread in the MSM.
    ALC was killed in early Sept and does not fit his June/July pattern (GB4). Why Sept? Ramping up seems good. Any other reasons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Okay, I reconsider for the umpteenth time. But since you obviously didn't understand the meaning if "femdom" as in female domintaion, BDSM, I help you out. The original information I refer to is in the "possible victims" thread, posted by Redbird as post #9. There it says:

    July 12, 2009 MELISSA BATHELEMY DOD 7/12/2009 vanished from Bronx (Underhill Ave.) sitting on curb; apt w/5 cats(Sunday)/ got call from Massapequa. LI. Eight days after Melissa's disappearance, her sister, Amanda, began to receive calls, The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone.
    Mother said they received five more calls, the last one on August 26, 2009. Ms. Barthelemy saw a client and then deposited $900 into her bank, around the time she vanished, she checked her voice mail from Massapequa, L.I. July 10, 2009, she checked her voice mail from two motels in Massapequa, a Budget Inn and a Best Western.

    They traced a second phone that belonged to her to an ex-con who said he picked it up after a tussle between hookers in Times Square orchestrated by a pimp. Boyfriend Blaze, aka Terry, Escort Agency: James Bond Entertainment as Chloe I found a single ad for Melissa posting as chloe, under the one number. She advertised various services to include Domination/BDSM & Fetish/Role Play. She advertised as out call only, charging $100/15 min, $150 half hour, $250 hour, and $1000 overnight. Her pictures indicated she did car dates as well. Earlier that evening, the blond beauty told her boyfriend that she might be going to Long Island, a frequent haunt of hers. She regularly hung out there with a girlfriend who also worked as an online escort, as well as at the home of a regular client. Her boyfriend said he would oftentimes pick her up from the john's house. "She had some older man she was chummy with." Eight days after Melissa's disappearance, her sister, Amanda, began to receive calls, The caller ID indicated the call came from Melissa's cellphone.

    So, that's the original post to which I refer. If you doubt Redbird's information, I suggest, you ask the original poster.
    That is about MELISSA BATHELEMY, NOT Megan Waterman.
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    Regarding Melissa: If I'm not mistaken, she checked her voicemail (assuming that required a pin #) from 2 Massapequa hotels on the day she disappeared. A Best Western and I forget which other hotel. What strikes me as odd about this is that if she was picked up by one client, why the hotel change? Just puzzles the heck out of me.

    And then we also have one of the phone calls from the killer to Melissa's little sister which was also traced to Massapequa. So, did LISK keep one hotel for himself, and book another for his dirty work? Maybe move around from hotel to hotel in order to avoid detection? But then, that doesn't make sense either if Melissa checked her voicemail from both locations.

    Strange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    IMO you canīt justify your (stubborn) error ...
    What was this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    So fine, you're right ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by PreciousDust View Post
    What was this?
    You forgot that Peter added this:

    "and the fact still stands, one had another kind of clientele. Thus the profile still stays intact."
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    If you look on google and push pin The Budget Inn, Massapequa (MB) and The Express Holiday Inn (MW), you'll notice that in the very center of the two is the Robert Moses Parkway, leading right back to Captree/Oak Beach.

    Interestingly enough, Amber's home also falls between these two locations, and according to DS, she too was asked to meet a client at the Express Holiday Inn in Hauppage (but refused).

    West Islip also falls between the locations of these 2 hotels, as does Higbie Discount Liquor And Wine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat View Post
    Regarding Melissa: If I'm not mistaken, she checked her voicemail (assuming that required a pin #) from 2 Massapequa hotels on the day she disappeared. A Best Western and I forget which other hotel. What strikes me as odd about this is that if she was picked up by one client, why the hotel change? Just puzzles the heck out of me.

    And then we also have one of the phone calls from the killer to Melissa's little sister which was also traced to Massapequa. So, did LISK keep one hotel for himself, and book another for his dirty work? Maybe move around from hotel to hotel in order to avoid detection? But then, that doesn't make sense either if Melissa checked her voicemail from both locations.

    Strange.
    Here are the two hotels in question:

    Budget Inn - Massapequa
    400 Carman Mill Road, Massapequa, NY 11758

    The Best Western
    5080 Sunrise Highway, Massapequa, NY
    (516) 541-2000

    also this adress for The Best Western
    5050 Sunrise Highway, Massapequa Park - (516) 541-2000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Well, at least the separation thing is a good thing. My problem is, a psychopath is fueled by rage and an feeling of entitlement while the sociopath is just emotionally distanced and has no emotional understanding of social behavior. So in a way,

    psychopath=sociopath+rage.

    The reason, why I thought, you meant actually psychopath is, those murders indicate underlying rage. Which is quite not the sociopath's but the psychopath's trait.



    My problem is, to imagine, how would someone come in such a position if he is NOT there all the time. He would have to stay in the area just to keep up that position. So to me, being 8-9 months of the year not there and a position like that sounds contradictory.



    What indicates to you, Amber Lynn Costello's murder wasn't planned? There are no differences as far as I followed the media. She was dropped there the same way as the other three, wrapped in burlap, about the same distance from the road. Unless you want to inject Shannan Gilbert here, but then you are in the wrong thread and we can ask a mod to move your posts in the SG threads.
    I'm not convinced that the murders suggest rage. Terrible things can happen while the murderer is calm ... just look at Dr Mengele.

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    ... and another girl was last heard from when she was at the hotel along the same stretch of road as another body. In fact, two women were last heard from at that hotel. There's no explanation for what happened to them other than one was picked up at the hotel and the other was picked up hitchhiking outside the hotel (perhaps she figured it out too late and accidentally stepped into a hitchhiking vehicle driven by the guy)...
    What girls, what hotel & which road are you referring to?

    Each of the GB4 disappeared from a completely different location (one was picked up at the end of her street in North Babylon, One from the port authority bus terminal, one from a curb near her apartment in the Bronx and one who walked out of the Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge). There is no proof that any of the GB4 have ever crossed paths or have been at the same hotel, in the same town, or on the same road.

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