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    Maybe you can add Wendell Courtney to the list. It might be a fair question to ask who was an insider to the investigation and would profit by the release of this info at that time.
    It might narrow down the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twindad View Post
    Maybe you can add Wendell Courtney to the list. It might be a fair question to ask who was an insider to the investigation and would profit by the release of this info at that time.
    It might narrow down the list.
    Good point. My understanding though was that the tipster pointed investigators to the posts on a Nittany Lion message board about what a coach had seen, so it might not even have had to be an insider. The coach turned out to be McQueary, but I am not sure if the posts in question were supposed to have been made by him.

    For what it's worth, I have seen this before, but the website that it is from might lack some credibility:

    Thank you for all of your work in separating fact from fiction. I want to share with you what I have been involved doing. I pointed Curley & Schultz Investigators to statements from McQueary on the (name-redacted) messageboard chat. Mike told several members of the chat what he witnessed was only horseplay. Essentially below is how this has transpired. The time period he posted on the message board was mid-2000’s, before he met with investigators. Unfortunately chat records from what I am told are not saved but I pointed them to several individuals who were told by Mike and also told them to access Mikes PSU computer. Investigators have spoken with several individuals who witnessed Mike playing in at least two TSM golf events. Also, I've been told that Curley finds the Freeh Fiction laughable
    1.There are no posts on message boards, everything was said in chat
    2.Mike McQueary used to frequent the chat under the handle "xxxx"
    3. His brother John is a member of the site and goes but the name "xxxxxx" He would go into the chat under the handle of "xxxxx"
    4. To confirm it was actually Mike posting as "xxxx," his brother confirmed to several people and a moderator traced the IP address back to PSU.
    5.Over the years, both Mike and John McQueary told posters with whom they became friends in chat the Sandusky story. Every person they spoke to said it was consistently described as "horseplay in the shower." That's why nobody ever took it any further. There was nothing sexual ever connected with it
    http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/08/2...hat-gives.html
    Now this person claims to have sent this to Curley & Schultz's investigators in an effort to discredit McQueary, but these may have been the same posts that the original tipster directed Parks-Miller to.
    "I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him." - Abraham Lincoln

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    Suppose McQueary was already known to have witnessed Sandusky and reported it to Paterno et. al. by investigators. Then to make it appear as a new lead, the chat room conversations are discovered. When released to the public, everyone thinks how clever! but it's really just a new release of old information.
    The info reportedly in the chats was not leading anyone to suspect anything. I feel a person able to connect the chat to Sandusky must have been aware of the nature of what happened and that an investigation was in progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twindad View Post
    Suppose McQueary was already known to have witnessed Sandusky and reported it to Paterno et. al. by investigators. Then to make it appear as a new lead, the chat room conversations are discovered. When released to the public, everyone thinks how clever! but it's really just a new release of old information.
    The info reportedly in the chats was not leading anyone to suspect anything. I feel a person able to connect the chat to Sandusky must have been aware of the nature of what happened and that an investigation was in progress.
    Perhaps. I did a little more digging and found this article about Sara Ganim:
    "Anything else going on?" Sara Ganim asked her source late one night in 2009. As the crime reporter for a small newspaper in State College, Pennsylvania, it was a question she always ended with. And this evening, to Ganim's surprise, the source replied, "Well, actually, a boy just came forward to the police and alleged sex crimes against Jerry Sandusky."

    Ganim, a Penn State grad and a football fan herself, knew her way around the university's online message boards. There she quickly found gossip about Sandusky getting too friendly with young boys. So she started asking around. "I'd say, 'Hey, have you heard anything strange about Jerry Sandusky?'" And though people knew about the rumors, Ganim says, "almost no one believed they were true."

    Read More http://www.glamour.com/inspired/maga...#ixzz2CnNpiehv

    Could Ganim herself have been the source? 2009 would make the timing about right, and we know that she later took the initiative to dig up other potential victims on her own and give them the investigators' contact information, so it fits her style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlaub44 View Post

    Could Ganim herself have been the source? 2009 would make the timing about right, and we know that she later took the initiative to dig up other potential victims on her own and give them the investigators' contact information, so it fits her style.

    Okay, the story was written in April of 2012, so in April 2010, she would have been 22. The e-mail went to Parks Miller sometime before November 2010, probably October. She would not have known about McQueary from that tip.

    The only possibility would be if Gamin called around and heard something from someone at Penn State that McQueary reported something, even second or third hand. It is possible, but it is more likely it was someone with more direct knowledge, especially with rumors circulating. Conversely someone else at the paper heard it from Gamin and forwarded it to Parks Miller.

    Especially in 2010, Parks Miller was very popular with some of the staff on the paper. She won by nearly 30 percentage points, so she was popular overall at that point in time (and isn't tremendously unpopular now).

    It would not be unknown for people with interest in the case to forward things to LE.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Okay, the story was written in April of 2012, so in April 2010, she would have been 22. The e-mail went to Parks Miller sometime before November 2010, probably October. She would not have known about McQueary from that tip.

    The only possibility would be if Gamin called around and heard something from someone at Penn State that McQueary reported something, even second or third hand. It is possible, but it is more likely it was someone with more direct knowledge, especially with rumors circulating. Conversely someone else at the paper heard it from Gamin and forwarded it to Parks Miller.

    Especially in 2010, Parks Miller was very popular with some of the staff on the paper. She won by nearly 30 percentage points, so she was popular overall at that point in time (and isn't tremendously unpopular now).

    It would not be unknown for people with interest in the case to forward things to LE.
    I'm not sure I follow your April 2010 date? The Glamour article indicates that Sara's source told her about Sandusky in 2009 - the case was being investigated all through 2009, so it could have been anytime during that year, allowing plenty of time for her to alert Parks-Miller.

    I can't find hard evidence about Sara's birthdate, but she graduated from PSU in 2008, so I would have imagined her to be 21 that year, which is likely to make her 22 in 2009.

    You have to admit, the article's focus on her use of Penn State message boards to uncover the rumors, and the time-frame in which it occurred, is a very interesting coincidence considering the story of how investigators were tipped to McQueary.

    For me, this is still a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlaub44 View Post
    I'm not sure I follow your April 2010 date? The Glamour article indicates that Sara's source told her about Sandusky in 2009 - the case was being investigated all through 2009, so it could have been anytime during that year, allowing plenty of time for her to alert Parks-Miller.
    The article looks like it was published in early 2012, March, not April, because it refers to her winning a Sidney Award in December (of 2011) and doesn't mention the Pulitzer. The earliest comment from March. She was 24 then and it says she was 22 when she got the call. That would make it 2010-9. The case was at the GJ at that point.

    When she started at the P-N, in January of 2011, she was working on the case for "almost two years." http://www.sbstatesman.com/journalis...bu-students786

    That would put it in early 2009, but the contact didn't go until around October 2010. Even if there was a delay in 2010, it still would be about a year later. In 2/09, the case was sent to the Grand Jury. It is possible it was Ganim, but I don't think so.


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    http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/stat...f15daf38b.html

    ABC obtains copies of trial photos, approved by judge.

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    Inquirer Editorial: Protecting kids is the priority

    http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion..._priority.html

    The sweeping legal reforms recommended for Pennsylvania's child-abuse laws this week would go a long way toward building a better early-warning defense against predators like convicted molester Jerry Sandusky - even as long-ago abuse victims still would have to wait for justice.

    More at link.......


    "The further we (as the human race) grow away from the natural world, the quieter the natural world becomes and the more pathological we become as a culture."........Bernie Krause

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation......which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.......George Washington

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