View Poll Results: Should the NCAA give Penn State the "death penalty"?

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  • No. It's not fair to students, players, or coaches who had nothing to do with this scandal.

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  • Yes, for one year.

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  • Yes, for two years.

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  • Yes, for three years.

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  • Yes, for four (or more) years.

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  • Not sure.

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    78.57% for some form of program death penalty at the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    Not necessarily. Some have shown widespread problems.
    Really? Which ones? I don't mean to sound sarcastic; I am curious as to what you mean.

    Thinking through recent NCAA sanctions--in football as that's the only college sport I follow much--I come up with:

    Ohio State
    USC
    Oklahoma
    Miami maybe? I haven't paid much attention to that.

    I can't recall widespread problems (which I am defining as university-wide, not just athletic-department wide) in these instances, or within the surrounding community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    Really? Which ones? I don't mean to sound sarcastic; I am curious as to what you mean.
    SMU, obviously. It actually dealt with payoffs. In terms of what the administrators and board did, it was much more blatant that the current Penn State situation. Penn State's crime was inaction, failure to report. SMU's crime, with the participation of the president and board, actually involved a slush fund.

    I can't recall widespread problems (which I am defining as university-wide, not just athletic-department wide) in these instances, or within the surrounding community.
    The NCAA should not be involved in college wide problems, beyond sports. Where they intersect with sports, and to the extent that they do, it should punish.

    As opposed to kicking Penn State out of the Big Ten, can they prohibit live television or prevent the school from getting any revenue from it?


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    NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

    But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

    The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

    The NCAA will announce "corrective and punitive measures" for Penn State on Monday morning, it said in a statement Sunday. Emmert will reveal the sanctions at 9 a.m. ET in Indianapolis at the organization's headquarters along with Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA's executive committee and Oregon State's president, the news release said.

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    http://espn.go.com/college-football/...nctions-monday
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    If sanctions are happening this soon, then they were probably agreed upon by the university. The PSU administration probably believes the upcoming criminal trials will do nothing to exonerate the previous adminstration.


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    I'm hearing no death penalty and I hope I'm wrong.


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    I'm pretty much football naive, so forgive me for a stupid question. Can the NCAA throw PSU out of the "big 10" and if so, what would that mean to the team, exactly?
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    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...state-football

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/22/us/pen...html?hpt=hp_t1

    I got these links from scout.com message board. Lot's of rumors there re the possible sanctions.

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    As someone who witnessed the NCAA "death penalty" first hand (my alma mater Southern Methodist--1987) I can tell you that it is TOO HIGH a price to pay.

    Once ranked nationally, SMU has NEVER recovered. I believe it contributed to the demise of the Southwest Conference, too.

    No school should have NCAA death penalty, esp. for non-football violations.

    Just my 0.02c!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlockKittyCat View Post
    As someone who witnessed the NCAA "death penalty" first hand (my alma mater Southern Methodist--1987) I can tell you that it is TOO HIGH a price to pay.

    Once ranked nationally, SMU has NEVER recovered. I believe it contributed to the demise of the Southwest Conference, too.

    No school should have NCAA death penalty, esp. for non-football violations.

    Just my 0.02c!
    What price do you feel is not "too high" for enabling child rape?

    And how is this a non-football violation when it was done to shield the football program from bad publicity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyBlanche View Post
    What price do you feel is not "too high" for enabling child rape?

    And how is this a non-football violation when it was done to shield the football program from bad publicity?
    I think it was to shield the University from bad publicity. 2001 only tangentially involved the football program. Had this been reported to DPW, football program would only provided witnesses to an act, with no coverup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila View Post
    I think it was to shield the University from bad publicity. 2001 only tangentially involved the football program. Had this been reported to DPW, football program would only provided witnesses to an act, with no coverup.
    Protecting the football program -- and Joe Paterno's legacy -- were central to the coverup. Schultz and Spanier were ok with notifying DPW. It was the athletic director, aka "Paterno's errand boy," who talked them into changing the plan after discussing it over with the head football coach.

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    This could be moot tomorrow morning when/if NCAA sanctions Penn State.


    July 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Writers pick Michigan to win Big Ten championship over Wisconsin
    By Matt Charboneau
    The Detroit News

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz21NT6WrXC


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    (CNN) -- Penn State University will face "significant, unprecedented penalties" from the National Collegiate Athletic Association, but it will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the football team from playing in the fall, a source familiar with the case tells CNN.
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    "If I were Penn State or any other school and were given both options, I'd pick the death penalty," the source said, adding the range of sanctions "is well beyond what has been done in the past" and "far worse than closing the program for a year."
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    Source: Severe penalties set for Penn State

    Paterno statue removed from outside football stadium


    Author: By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti CNN

    Published On: Jul 22 2012 08:04:09 AM EDT Updated On: Jul 22 2012 02:45:15 PM EDT

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    Penn State University will face "significant, unprecedented penalties" from the National Collegiate Athletic Association, but it will not face the so-called "death penalty" that would have prevented the football team from playing in the fall, a source familiar with the case tells CNN.

    But the source says the school might have preferred a one-year suspension because of the severity of the scholarship losses, postseason sanctions and other penalties the source wouldn't specify.

    "If I were Penn State or any other school and were given both options, I'd pick the death penalty," the source said, adding the range of sanctions "is well beyond what has been done in the past" and "far worse than closing the program for a year."...

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/S...z/-/index.html


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